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brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 09:09 AM Oct 2018

Iowa Democrats fume over GOP change to ballot law

Source: Politico

DES MOINES — Iowa Democrats are worried that a small change in the state’s voting law might have serious implications up and down the ballot this fall.

For the first time, Iowa voters will be denied the opportunity to vote a straight-party ticket — the time-honored practice which enables voters to choose a party’s entire slate of candidates with a single mark. Until the legislature outlawed the practice in 2017, voters could simply fill in just one oval to back every single party candidate on the ballot.

Now, with grassroots enthusiasm surging and a higher-than-usual turnout expected in November, Democrats are increasingly nervous that the change will end up tamping down their vote totals in a year that shows signs of being a wave election for the party.

“Republicans approved this legislation because they knew they had to face a midterm with an unpopular president,” David Yepsen, an Iowa political analyst and longtime former political reporter for the Des Moines Register. “Much of the Democratic strategy is aimed at first-time voters, especially millennials. There’s going to be a lot of first time, anti-Trump voters who will show up and they could be confused in the polling booth.”

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/23/iowa-voting-law-midterm-elections-929530

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Iowa Democrats fume over GOP change to ballot law (Original Post) brooklynite Oct 2018 OP
I think that Republicans probably vote straight ticket more often than Democrats. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #1
Straight party voting has been around since 1888 Farmer-Rick Oct 2018 #2
Great point about waiting and lines exboyfil Oct 2018 #4
so it takes a few more minutes to vote, no big deal at all beachbum bob Oct 2018 #3
Sounds good on the surface but........... Farmer-Rick Oct 2018 #5
How do they set up the voting where you are? BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #8
A bigger problem I saw... Grins Oct 2018 #11
With respect to the last sentence, if they're first time voters they haven't gotten in the habit... George II Oct 2018 #6
You should have tried living here in PA BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #9
There have been isolated instances here, in local elections, where I actually HAVE.... George II Oct 2018 #10
OT but BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #12
I used to love getting those Philadelphia style pretzels when I went to the race track.... George II Oct 2018 #13
Keystone is now Parx casino BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #14
This was back in the 1970s when I lived in New Jersey. My favorite tracks were... George II Oct 2018 #15
Back in the late '60s/early '70s, we use to go to the Lincoln Drive-in up that way BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #16
Hah. Surprised you mentioned that theater. It was right across Route 1 from nearby.... George II Oct 2018 #17
Yup. That's what happened to it in later years and what was even more hilarious BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #19
So Republicans can't vote straight party either,sounds like a null effect. Bigger problems than this Bengus81 Oct 2018 #7
Not sure I have ever had the option of straight party voting. GulfCoast66 Oct 2018 #18
Do MASSIVE voter education all over every type of media. LBM20 Oct 2018 #20

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
1. I think that Republicans probably vote straight ticket more often than Democrats.
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 09:15 AM
Oct 2018

Democrats are more likely to vote for non-Democratic candidates, I believe.

But if someone is confused by having to punch a ballot for each candidate, well...that's not really confusing, is it?

Even when I've voted straight ticket, I've usually voted for each candidate separately. I have never trusted the straight party selection. Besides, I always had to go through and vote for some of the races that didn't have a Democrat in the choices, anyway.

Farmer-Rick

(10,175 posts)
2. Straight party voting has been around since 1888
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 09:23 AM
Oct 2018

And ever since then, RepubliCONS have tried to stop it.

The only advantage it gives RepubliCONS to Stop straight party tickets is that it adds to the long wait times and discourages voters from voting.

So if you get tired waiting on your turn to vote, go blame your RepubliCONS.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
4. Great point about waiting and lines
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 09:29 AM
Oct 2018

It really is a serious voting rights issue. The resource allocation for voting should be equitable (per capita same number of machines and sufficient number of people to process voters).

Farmer-Rick

(10,175 posts)
5. Sounds good on the surface but...........
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 09:44 AM
Oct 2018

Since most RepubliCONS don't think very deeply they claim the same response. A few minutes, who cares?

But the truth is you are adding 3 minutes at a minimum to each vote. If you have 100 people voting that's 300 minutes you just added which is 5 hours. You just added 5 hours of time to lines, volunteers time, equipment use time, and on and on it adds up. Now imagine if you are a precinct with over 100 voters. How many more hours are you adding to the wait time?

We never ever had lines until Trump ran for president. That was the 1st we had to wait for over 1.5 hours. They moved our precinct and took away straight ticket voting. Before it only took 10 minutes. Now it takes hours.

BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
8. How do they set up the voting where you are?
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 10:13 AM
Oct 2018

Here in Philly, we have something like 1676 or so divisions (basically precincts), each covering a resident population of about 800 - 1000. A polling place is no more than 6 - 10 blocks from a resident in that division. Each division gets 2 machines (these are collapsible, membrane pad push-to-vote light-up units). On average during the heaviest turnouts, they may get a couple hundred that actually show up to vote during an entire general election day (7 am - 8pm), although there may be hours where no one comes in at all and other hours where this a line at peak times.

On TV they always show people going into a large space with tables and table-top partitions setup where I guess they are actually filling ovals on a paper ballot that gets fed into a machine. Is this what you all do?

It seems to me that nationwide, for those who don't have early voting and/or mail-in voting, there is a severe lack of polling locations... so you literally have thousands of people showing up at one place during peak times forcing that kind of wait - and you see this over and over and over.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
11. A bigger problem I saw...
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 10:52 AM
Oct 2018

During the 2012 election it took a while to vote and the line of voters went out the door. And then I found out why.

Everyone knew walking in the door knew who they were going to vote for, but also on the ballot that year were two county bond issues that required voter approval.

No one had read them in advance!

So they read them while they stood at the voting machine, and it was a lot to read! Time to read, time to think, time to vote and the average person was at the booth for several minutes when it could have been done in less than one.

And thus, the long voting lines!

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. With respect to the last sentence, if they're first time voters they haven't gotten in the habit...
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 09:54 AM
Oct 2018

....of straight-party voting, I don't see how they could be confused.

I've been voting for 51 years, nowhere I've lived (NY, NJ, OH, CT) has has that, and I've never seen more than about a dozen offices up for a vote on a ballot.

To me this would be nothing more than a minor nuisance, certainly not a big issue.

George II

(67,782 posts)
10. There have been isolated instances here, in local elections, where I actually HAVE....
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 10:35 AM
Oct 2018

....voted for republicans (isolated cases where a Democrat changed parties, but locally would be better than the Democrat) or skipped voting for certain offices.

George II

(67,782 posts)
13. I used to love getting those Philadelphia style pretzels when I went to the race track....
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 11:15 AM
Oct 2018

....years ago (Keystone and Liberty Bell), but I could never even THINK of putting mustard on them!

Do they dance like mine does?

BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
14. Keystone is now Parx casino
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 11:41 AM
Oct 2018

And Liberty Bell's site has a mall.

Fluffians always ask for a "mustard pretzel". That's when they dance and slosh all that mustard all over the place!

(I like mine plain though... )

George II

(67,782 posts)
15. This was back in the 1970s when I lived in New Jersey. My favorite tracks were...
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 11:53 AM
Oct 2018

...Delaware Park, Keystone (aka Philadelphia Park, aka Parx), Liberty Bell, and Brandywine. I was pretty sad when I learned that both Liberty Bell and Brandywine were razed and replaced by malls. Even Delaware Park closed for three or four years, and reopened when Delaware legalized slot machines.

BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
16. Back in the late '60s/early '70s, we use to go to the Lincoln Drive-in up that way
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 12:46 PM
Oct 2018

That is long gone too. For awhile, we would frequent the mall where Liberty Bell used to be (called Franklin Mills back in the '80s, now renamed Philadelphia Mills) - it was essentially a few warehouse chains and and some name-brand clothing outlet stores. I haven't been up that way in ages though. So much has changed. Yikes!

Now that sports betting is legal, whatever places are left are having a banner year. lol

George II

(67,782 posts)
17. Hah. Surprised you mentioned that theater. It was right across Route 1 from nearby....
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 02:42 PM
Oct 2018

....Liberty Bell Park. I was shocked one night when I came out of the track (I'd take Route 1 through Trenton) and saw porn films being shown on the screen, which faced the highway!

BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
19. Yup. That's what happened to it in later years and what was even more hilarious
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 04:26 PM
Oct 2018

was that the drive-in lot was behind a motel (and guests could have actually seen the screen from their rooms)!

I remember seeing "The Godfather" & "Tales from the Crypt" there in '72. Also remember seeing "Ben" & "A Man Called Horse". They used to have $1 a carload nights and would show 6 movies (we usually left after the 3rd or 4th).

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
7. So Republicans can't vote straight party either,sounds like a null effect. Bigger problems than this
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 10:12 AM
Oct 2018

as far as election tampering. I wouldn't give this any time or worry.

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