Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

riversedge

(70,239 posts)
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 09:37 AM Oct 2018

Caterpillar Plunges as Cost Worries Outweigh Record Profit

Source: bloomberg.com



October 23, 2018, 6:47 AM CDT Updated on October 23, 2018, 7:15 AM CDT

Industrials ‘having a hard time living up’ to expectations
Equipment maker’s 2018 profit mid-range below estimates




Caterpillar Inc. beat earnings estimates for the tenth straight time and announced its best third quarter ever -- and yet shares still fell.

The world’s largest mining- and construction-equipment maker dropped more than 7 percent after the company again flagged cost concerns. Caterpillar notified dealers it would increase some prices 1 to 4 percent worldwide starting in January. The company maintained its outlook for 2018 profit of $11 to $12 a share. The mid-point of that forecast was below the average estimate of analysts.

“This is likely to be a negative for Caterpillar, but also for industrials broadly that are having a hard time living up to heightened expectations,” said Larry De Maria, an analyst at William Blair & Co. “Markets are in a precarious situation, and under pressure again this morning, and Caterpillar’s stock will probably further weigh it down.”............

Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-23/caterpillar-plunges-despite-reporting-best-ever-third-quarter

7 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Caterpillar Plunges as Cost Worries Outweigh Record Profit (Original Post) riversedge Oct 2018 OP
Smoot-Hawley BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #1
Of course especially if they have to pay more for steel.... Historic NY Oct 2018 #2
Stagflation on the runway bucolic_frolic Oct 2018 #3
Trump slump on the way bronxiteforever Oct 2018 #4
The fruits of Trump's trade war. But here's the thing: PatrickforO Oct 2018 #5
"... I knew monarch butterflies kind of had it bad but this is a new low" mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2018 #6
Many more businesses will be hurt from duforsure Oct 2018 #7

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
3. Stagflation on the runway
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 10:05 AM
Oct 2018

commodity price increases caused by running the financial side of the economy too fast with legacy QE-1,2,3 issues, tax cut after tax cut, and resource constraints pushed to the max. We are in for a meltdown of the US dollar someday, and all our debt is coming home to roost.

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
5. The fruits of Trump's trade war. But here's the thing:
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 10:56 AM
Oct 2018

We have two realities, Wall Street and Main Street. Wall Street consists of a bunch of fund managers. Since the fiduciary responsibility of CEOs in public companies like Caterpillar is ONLY to increase earnings for shareholders, we've gotten to the point where companies are making decisions SOLELY on this basis.

What this looks like on the ground is when a company, for instance, makes the decision to lay off workers to boost short-term profits. Or, as in this case, where the SEC 10-Q report talks about rising costs due to tariffs, shares go down in spite of record profits. In some more egregious examples, we have companies like BP who make billions in profits but are under constant pressure to boost profits just a little bit more, and so cut corners. Workers die, and of course, we all remember what happened in the Gulf with Deepwater Horizon.

This fiduciary responsibility has led us to the point where the very earth we live on is in danger of becoming uninhabitable. Where wealth has been concentrated in so few hands, governments everywhere, who ought to be using public funds to take care of their people, can no longer afford to provide basic services. The giant tax cut for billionaires and corporations was a stunning example of this type of short-term, myopic greed-rules-all philosophy.

Then, we have main street. That's you and me. When wages are forced down and we can't buy as much, it is actually GOOD for Wall Street. Not so much if you're struggling to make ends meet. When the Republicans try and get rid of the pre-existing conditions clause of the ACA, that is really GOOD for shareholders in health insurance companies. Not so much for the family with a chronically ill child, though. When our children and grandchildren have to borrow heavily against their future and average $37,000 plus in debt when they graduate from college, it's GREAT for shareholders in the private banks that got into the student loan business, but not so much for us. When Elizabeth Warren, who knows the banking system inside and out, is forwarded as the new Consumer Protection czar (remember that?), of course the Republicans fought tooth and nail against that, because hey, that is TERRIBLE for Wall Street.

See what I mean?

Main Street and Wall Street. The Republicans don't even today pretend to be on the side of Main Street. At all. McConnell is now leading the charge to cut Social Security and Medicare on the basis of a ballooning deficit which their giant tax cut for billionaires and corporations created - GREAT for Wall Street because that makes us wage slaves and allows the profit motive to penetrate even further into old age pensions and healthcare for the elderly - a vulnerable population on fixed incomes anyway.

The Democrats? Mostly they have been on the side of Main Street, but since the days of FDR and Truman, their support for us on Main Street has been a little lukewarm. And I'm not cutting down the Dems, but let's be honest. Now, we have a real chance to take back the moral high ground and once again become the champion of Main Street - kitchen table issues like health care, stronger Social Security, debt-free college, infrastructure improvements and so on.

Bottom line: Don't get discouraged if you're more middle-of-the-road - we have a bunch of very progressive people running and winning, but all politics is local. Get active if you're not already and have a say. Let's work together to make this country what it should be - a light on the hill. We can only do this by ensuring that people everywhere have a say in policies that affect them.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,464 posts)
6. "... I knew monarch butterflies kind of had it bad but this is a new low"
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 11:42 AM
Oct 2018
... I knew monarch butterflies kind of had it bad but this is a new low


duforsure

(11,885 posts)
7. Many more businesses will be hurt from
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 12:03 PM
Oct 2018

the trump slump which he caused but all the republicans voted it into law , and now are seeing the results of what they've done , and how bad the trump slump will badly hurt many businesses in this country. The market has only started going south from their stupid policies. trump will have a million excuses why what HE'S done is others fault, again. And to make matters worse they want another huge tax scam cut to enrich the wealthiest people in this country even more, and completely destroy all programs , especially Social Security. This trump slump will get much bigger , and companies will be looking at moving more to other countries with trump still in his position. He also likes to threaten them regularly , do as I say or else. Just like putin did in russia. He's crashing the economy, so is this for putin now for his revenge on us?

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Caterpillar Plunges as Co...