Whoops! Brenda Snipes' office mixed bad provisional ballots with good ones
Source: The Miami Herald
Browards elections supervisor accidentally mixed more than a dozen rejected ballots with nearly 200 valid ones, a circumstance that is unlikely to help Brenda Snipes push back against Republican allegations of incompetence.
The mistake for which no one had a solution Friday night was discovered after Snipes agreed to present 205 provisional ballots to the Broward County canvassing board for inspection. She had initially intended to handle the ballots administratively, but agreed to present them to the canvassing board after Republican attorneys objected.
We have found no clear authority controlling the situation faced by the board, said Broward County Attorney Andrew Meyers.
On Election Day, Broward County collected more than 600 provisional ballots. The vast majority were declared invalid by the countys canvassing board judges for reasons ranging from registering to vote too late to previously voting to voting at the wrong precinct.
Read more: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article221452655.html
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)who is at the wrong precinct. What's the problem?
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)But she comingled some invalid ballots with some valid ones, with no way to separate them. So now the whole group in question.
lark
(23,083 posts)I'm leaning towards repug mole because no person could be in her position this long (since 2000 or before) and fuck up this badly. Well, there goes my hope for Nelson, she's backstabbed him good, the fucking asshole.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Appointed to replace the previous supervisor who was herself summarily fired for mismanagement. So long history of problems. But it's an elected position and she managed to hold.on through several elections. I wonder we should be looking at those?
ChiTownDenny
(747 posts)It's an appointed position. JEB! appointed her.
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)Since then, shes been elected.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)But the governor replaced her predecessor for mishandling ballots.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wtsp.com/amp/article%3fsection=news&subsection=politics&topic=elections&headline=who-is-brenda-snipes-the-broward-county-supervisor-of-elections&contentId=67-612946611
ChiTownDenny
(747 posts)JEB! appointed her to replace the other incompetent Supervisor. Since the she has been re-elected to office.
Glorfindel
(9,726 posts)Evidently, there is no solution.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)I did some googling, she has had many screwups before. She doesn't understand election laws and procedures. She got away with it before because none of them were as an important as this one.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)I bet republicans think she is very competent.
I wonder if this "incompetency" is not part of the plan.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)But should not have happened anyway.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-who-is-brenda-snipes-2
lark
(23,083 posts)Not marking the rejected ballots is incompetence. Accepting a confusing ballot design, incompetence, putting polling places behind locked gates, incompetence. So either she personally is incompetent or she had incompetent backstabbing help, one of the 2. But as the supervisor, if she has incompetent staff, isn't that still her responsibility?
brush
(53,764 posts)Wonder if she personally co-mingled the ballots in question or was it someone on staff in the rush and confusion to meet the artificial deadline coming from the repug governor's suit?
It would be best to just let them count all of the votes without the national and statewide pressure coming from trump, the governor and the Florida media.
What difference does it make if it takes a couple of more days to count the votes as long as they are all counted?
It's pretty clear repugs always want to cut off voting, in other words, disenfranchise voters who might vote against them.
lark
(23,083 posts)Sorry she or her staff or the post office totally fucked up, voters voted with the expectation of their votes counting and they should be counted, period the end. FL judges supported the Gore v Bush recount, it was SCOTUS that stopped the counting and declared GW president. That is what I'm worried about this time as well because SCOTUS is more right wing than ever with the installation of Kavarape. If SCOTUS doesn't fuck this up, we have a chance of getting at least the Senate seat & I'm praying for governor as well.
Maeve
(42,279 posts)For instance, if the person voted for a local candidate that would not actually be theirs, that shouldn't count...but a state-wide office vote should. That is how it's supposed to work in Ohio, anyway. However, different states have different laws and some toss misplaced voters.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)How did that happen? It's simple...a rejected ballot gets tossed into bucket #1, an approved ballot goes into bucket #2.
It's just 200 ballots. Can't they flip through and check for rejections? I suppose they're stamped "rejected"?
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)And Snipes appears to be an incompetent to administer elections. Her career is over.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)although time consuming, task. They need to get some paralegals in there to do it. (I'm a retired paralegal...
brush
(53,764 posts)The repugs of course, who always want to rush to not count votes when they think they're ahead.
So a couple hundred votes out of hundreds of thousands get co-mingled in the pressure put on staff by a suit from the repug governor and trump and local media who wants to stop a recount.
And she just happens to be a black womanhummmit is the South so you have to wonder if there's also the racial element going on?
Think about who this benefits from all this uproar. It's sure not the Democratic candidates.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)There are news articles online from years ago about her mistakes.
At this point, the courts need to take over to preserve the integrity of the election.
brush
(53,764 posts)That will just guarantee a repug win.
Don't fall for the repug hype to put pressure to hurry, hurry, hurry in the most populous countyalso the county with the most POC votes.
Just take the time to count all the votes, not just the ones the repugs want counted.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)We need a transparent process that everyone can have confidence in. So far, she has resisted that and a court rightly stopped her.
I'm not sure, but I think the Florida Supreme Court is pretty reasonable.
brush
(53,764 posts)I mean really? Remember what happened when the courts took over in Florida in 2000.
The recount was stopped and we got W Bush as president.
Repug appointed judges will not be impartial.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)But if all we have is a bad Election Supervisor and bad courts, we are screwed either way. The election process will be delegitimized further, allowing Trump to contest future election losses by tweet. Eventually people will stop caring and the fascists will win.
brush
(53,764 posts)What difference if it takes a few more days to count all the votes.
It was reported yesterday that boxes of ballots were found in the shutdown post office where the maga-bomber sent his bombs through.
A court ordered the ballots not to be counted so those voters were disenfranchised. IMO it's best to keep the courts out of it if possible because they always seem to favor the repugs.
cos dem
(903 posts)Here in Colorado, you sign the outer envelope that contains your ballot. You don't sign the ballot itself.
I would assume that a valid/invalid determination would be made on the outer envelope. If it's invalid, then the envelope should never be open. However, if someone opens it and places the ballot with other accepted ones, then there's no way to go back and find the ballots that came in the invalid envelopes.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I would never have guessed that the voter name would not be on the ballot itself. Maybe that's to protect privilege of how a person voted? If that's the way it is in FL, Houston we have a problem.
cos dem
(903 posts)Your name is NOT on the ballot. It is only on the envelope. The idea is that the envelope and ballot are intentionally separated after they are opened (presumably with non-partisan and partisan observers) so that yes, the secrecy of your ballot is maintained (there's also an unmarked inner sleeve that makes this easier to maintain).
So, once you have a stack of actual ballots, there is no way to determine who's ballot is who's. You also have a stack of empty envelopes with names and signatures, but that doesn't do you any good either.
I'm surmising most of this. I've never actually seen it in action, but having used mail-in ballots for several years, it seems that this, or something very similar, is the intended process.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)in correcting any ballots that were mistakenly thrown into the "verified" bucket, when they were rejected in actuality.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)with casting a "secret" ballot. I WANT people to know who I support, and I would like to know who others supported. It doesn't have to be published, but it sure doesn't have to be "secret".
I want to know who to support by giving them my business, or not. Bottom line, the dollar speaks with meaning.
I understand that in the past one could be discriminated, even punished, for who they voted for. But that is no longer the case. If it happens, take their ass to court. There are agencies that will assist you in doing so.
I believe that, in general, ANYTIME secrecy is part of ANY process, the door is opened to all sorts of manipulations.
Secrecy should be expected, even assumed, when dealing with sensitive medical information, or something of that nature. But even in that case, it should be illegal for the insurance companies to discriminate because of it.
Other than medical, national security or planning a military attack during war, there should be no secrecy.
Especially in politics. No reports that we the voters can't see. No agreements or compromises made without our knowing about it.
After all, WE are footing the bill for all of it.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)cos dem
(903 posts)Ballot secrecy is fundamental to democracy.
You say "take them to court". How is that going to work when the courts are stacked with partisans? It's bad enough that partisan courts can play games the way they do now.
You really do not have any right to know how another individual votes, if that person doesn't want you to know. If we all voted and then shut up about it, we might be better off. I certainly know plenty of people who are fine to interact with, unless the conversation veers into politics. Then they become insufferable.
Actually, I do agree with your last statement. Secrecy in a democratic government should be a rarity. However, privacy of the individual must be the norm. The vote belongs to the individual, not the government.
The Mouth
(3,148 posts)In Athens.
I have zero problem with voting in public.
former9thward
(31,970 posts)Hope you are happy there. Here we have a secret ballot.
Mr.Bill
(24,273 posts)rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,376 posts)She's not doing a very good job of beating the allegations that she's incompetent, at the moment.
PatSeg
(47,370 posts)Perhaps they need to have mandatory federal overseers during every upcoming election until they learn how it is done. This is ridiculous, like watching the same bad movie over and over again.
Farmer-Rick
(10,151 posts)We're just not use to such incompetence from Dems.
Remember the vote counting for W and Walker? Talk about incompetence. I never saw such blatant vote rigging as in Ohio with a RepubliCON SoS that sent votes counts to TN then declared W the winner.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)in that election. I seem to recall that they actually threw away a bunch of ballots...and found some in the car of the head of a poll workers group (whatever that job title is), that he hadn't turned in to be counted.
It was outrageous.
I'm glad to see the Dems going to the mat this time, to ensure there is an accurate count of all votes. I support going to court if we have to. The Repubs count on Democrats not going to the mat, IMO, and that is why they do this stuff.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Thanks for Snipes. The GOPers are going to ride this major mistake to the bank in the Courts to stop any recount.
obamanut2012
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Zackr
(2 posts)If I was the judge I would say, count them all and add an asterisk saying +/- 20 votes. If that potential difference is significant at the conclusion of the recount then well talk again
Mr.Bill
(24,273 posts)We all have. It doesn't mean your postmaster is an idiot or a criminal. It means your letter carrier made a mistake. Mistakes will happen in any process involving human beings.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)Elections are the very core of our democracy. Mistakes like this one should not be made.
Mr.Bill
(24,273 posts)But as long as human beings are involved, mistakes will happen.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)It's inexcusable. All this does is give the Republicans ammunition for their false claims that voter fraud is being committed by election officials.
MichMan
(11,901 posts)This is not the first time she has screwed up
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)From: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/editorials/fl-op-editorial-snipes-20181110-story.html
Shes simply incompetent.
She has a track record of mistakes and failing to own up to them.
Shes long been willing to settle for coming in last in reporting elections results.