Bernie Sanders set to announce 2020 presidential run

[oberliner]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by DonViejo (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: Yahoo News

Three years after fighting a surprisingly competitive Democratic primary race against Hillary Clinton, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is making another run for the White House.

Two sources with direct knowledge of his plans told Yahoo News that Sanders, an independent and self-described “democratic socialist,” plans to announce his presidential bid imminently. While Sanders has been mulling a bid for months, one of the sources said he was emboldened by early polls of the race that have consistently showed him as one of the top candidates in a crowded Democratic primary field. In particular, the source said Sanders was heartened to see numbers indicating he is one of the leading candidates among African American and Latino voters, two groups he was perceived as struggling with in 2016.

The source also alluded to a spate of recent polls that show Sanders as the most popular politician in the country. They attributed Sanders’ strength in the polls to the base and name recognition he built with the prior presidential bid.

“What the senator has this time that he didn’t have last time is he is the most popular elected official in the country right now,” the source said. “That’s light years away from 2016 when very few people knew who he was.”

Read more: https://news.yahoo.com/bernie-sanders-set-announce-2020-presidential-run-234647684.html

[jayschool2013]

1. What party?

Serious question.

[Gothmog]

13. I want to know also

[Eliot Rosewater]

28. But he said he would NOT run if someone else good did...I predicted that NO MATTER

who else runs, he runs.

How I know this is ...well...

[Apollyonus]

103. Obviously no one else is good enough or pure enough n/t

[efhmc]

33. Can someone explain to me why and how he gets to have the

valuable label of Democrat by his name when he is not one?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

145. Bernie IS a Democrat for all intents and purposes, based on his progressive policy positions...

the way he votes, and whom he caucuses with.

[nini]

155. He bashes the hell out of Democrats

More than the repubs. He's no Democrat.

[radical noodle]

169. No, he is not

He makes a point to tell everyone he is NOT a Democrat.

[oberliner]

41. Maybe read the article?

A source who discussed Sanders’ 2020 plans with Yahoo News confirmed that he will be running as a Democrat.

[question everything]

151. Of course he will run as a Democrat.

Because we are suckers. We have so many good people, why do we grovel to get someone who is laughing at us?

[sarcasmo]

23. Independent, right?

[oberliner]

42. It's always a good idea to read the actual article

A source who discussed Sanders’ 2020 plans with Yahoo News confirmed that he will be running as a Democrat.

[mcar]

53. Will he switch his party affiliation?

Not just run as a Democrat.

[sarcasmo]

63. +1

[sarcasmo]

62. The Independent Senator from Vermont is running as a Democrat, got it.

[CozyMystery]

94. Hopefully not, in case he splits the vote and the Rethug wins.

[oberliner]

43. If you read the article in the OP, you will find that information included therein

A source who discussed Sanders’ 2020 plans with Yahoo News confirmed that he will be running as a Democrat.

[PupCamo]

79. thank you

[DownriverDem]

173. Not needed

The Democratic Party has some fine candidates running.

[thegoose]

2. Nope nope nope nope

We don't need our party to get fucked up by wannabes. This year, it's truth to power...period.

[Auggie]

21. +1

[Tess49]

31. A big NO from me. Hope he reconsiders.

[dhol82]

3. Which polls put him so far ahead?

This smells of trolls.

[lapucelle]

26. The Yahoo story links to these numbers from Real Clear Politics.

[dhol82]

80. Well, that explains a lot

Not.
Sorry, I stand by my opinion of trolls.

[lapucelle]

97. None of those polls put BS ahead...that link in support of the claim is bewildering. N/T

[dhol82]

131. Ok.

[sheshe2]

147. Well.

I have seen much form Harvard Harris polls. It is amusing. Just another internet poll.

[lapucelle]

164. And the Morning Consult data has been misinterpreted again

in support of a stale talking point.

[sheshe2]

171. yep.

Read about them as well.

[thesquanderer]

158. the claim is ONE OF the top candidates, not THE top candidate, & the link supports that claim

He is ins 2nd place in a large field, with numbers roughly double or better compared to anyone but Biden.

I might prefer Warren or Brown, but I'd take Sanders over Biden, personally. Biden is okay, but I'd like to see someone more progressive, and I will support any progressive who I think could overtake Biden and more importantly beat trump.

[lapucelle]

161. I was responding to the poster's specific question:

"Which polls put him so far ahead?"

No poll puts him "so far ahead".

[Kahuna7]

82. It's a DFA (in VT) straw poll which is entirely meaningless. nt

[Apollyonus]

159. +1 n/t

[SFnomad]

4. I guess Putin's check cleared. Does BS like tRump in office that much? n/t

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[oberliner]

105. What is that supposed to mean?

[obamanut2012]

135. wut?

[David__77]

140. It's an insinuation that Sanders is a Russian agent. It's complete horseshit.

...

[lapucelle]

170. That's not how I read it. It's an insuation that Putin's troll army

is still planting "news" stories, this time in Yahoo.

[Apollyonus]

112. Maybe Oleg Deripaska's

The sanctions vote against whom that Bernie conveniently missed.

[Hoyt]

5. I was hoping we might avoid that this time. nt

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[Eliot Rosewater]

29. No way, not if we understand exactly what is going on.

there was never a chance he wasnt running.

[Mike Nelson]

6. He's running, I knew...

… I was wondering if it would be as a Democrat. Can Bernie just say that and run? Also, Bloomberg... I'm guessing he actually has become a Democrat. If not, can he run as one?

[oberliner]

44. He will be running as a Democrat

According to the article.

[dhol82]

134. As a question

Why did he not run as a Dem for senator?
Just curious since now he want to switch parties.

[sheshe2]

138. I am getting whiplash.

[Doitnow]

7. Lables don't mean much. I'm for what Bernie stands for and it appears others do, too.

[Cha]

20. Nope.. he's too Divisive.

[Eliot Rosewater]

34. I just wish I could talk about what is happening.

[Cha]

39. I know.. but

we can't.. so we'll just have to say "NO WAY!".

[Eliot Rosewater]

49. Yep. What we have to do is HOPE and PRAY his fans figure out what is going on.

[oberliner]

45. What do you mean by that?

[thegoose]

24. You may go, dear

Elevator is on the right...

[mac56]

36. Nice.

Not.

[thegoose]

76. You're waiting for the free college and healthcare Bernie can't wait to bestow upon us, obviously?

He's so flippin' magnanimous.

[mac56]

84. Any opportunity to trash Bernie

Must be pounced on with both feet.

You'll lose style points if you don't.

[thegoose]

116. He's as an empty a suit as Dumpster

Don't buy his shit.

[mac56]

162. The shit I'm not buying

is goose shit.

[Apollyonus]

120. All of that free material has 0 chance of becoming law

It sounds good though .... I admit

[LuvLoogie]

51. Slogans don't mean much either.

Sanders Party of One is better as a weekly, one-hour guest spot on Tom Hartman. I like task oriented Democrats.

[Apollyonus]

117. 3 minute abs?

For explanation, read Hillary Clinton's book "What happened?"

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

149. Yes, which explains why Bernie is one of our most beloved popular politicians.

[Blue_Tires]

8. So he's running as an independent?

[sarcasmo]

25. +1

[oberliner]

46. No

Did you read the article?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. Not this time, please.

I supported him during the 2016 primaries, but he had his chance and it's over; he's become too divisive. 2020 will be nothing like 2016 - there were no other strong alternatives to Clinton then so he was able to attract people who were looking for a more progressive candidate. But this time there are already plenty of people who can advance the same principles, and even more effectively. Bernie should stay in the Senate where he is still doing useful things. I don't think he'll go very far this time.

[Chemisse]

27. I agree. I also don't think he will have the strength and following that he thinks he'll have.

With other Dem progressives already running, so hopefully will not have the same divisive impact.

[Apollyonus]

124. +1 n/t

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

11. I hope he doesn't to become a Democrat again.

In 2016 that lasted as long as the election, then he changed back to being a Democratic Socialist again.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice -- we won't be fooled again.

Oh, for the good old days when we thought our president was a bumbling fool. Now we've got a narcissistic psychopath who thinks his shit doesn't stink, even when he's standing waste deep in it.

#TrumpFolds

[Chemisse]

32. It was stunning at the time.

How fast he exited the Democratic Party. Used, abused, and kicked to the curb.

[aeromanKC]

12. Jill Stein for his VP

Since obviously being a D does not matter. And hey, I'm sure she still might have some Putin money left over from 2016.

[George II]

68. Since Tulsi Gabbard supported him in his last run, maybe she can be his running mate?

[George II]

14. "Lulz" Is Tad Devine going to head up the campaign?

[Gothmog]

15. I look forward to getting see his tax returns

[mcar]

54. He'll have to this time, won't be?

[Historic NY]

57. Hopefullly his wife will have them finished by then....

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

16. Noooo....!!!

[sakabatou]

17. Oh god, no more Bernie or Busters

[mastermind]

18. oooooooh nooooooo, my world is crashing down, I can't take it anymore, its the end of the world!!!

[Phoenix61]

19. No, just no

He had his shot and failed. He needs to accept it and move on.

[oberliner]

50. You think people should not try to run more than once?

[BlueStater]

83. Most of them aren't nearly 80 years old on their second attempt.

Biden, Sanders, Bloomberg, and Kerry need to get the hell off the presidential stage already. They had their time and it's passed. They need to accept it and move on.

[oberliner]

87. That seems like ageism

[Phoenix61]

148. It's an acknowledgement of the human

condition and the realities of the job.

[BlueStater]

160. Whatever.

I'm sick of their generation. They've dominated the presidency almost entirely since 1993. 26 fucking years ago and the vast majority of my life. The fact that two of the worst presidents of all time have come from their generation has not given me a favorable impression of them over all. I think this country needs to move on from them. They represent the past and not the future.

I'm not saying they should get off the stage completely, but their days of being considered viable presidential candidates needs to end. I would definitely not support anyone born on or before December 31, 1949 in a primary. It's time for younger generations to get their chance.

[Phoenix61]

143. I think he shouldn't. nt

[MontanaMama]

22. Sigh

Here we go....The Democratic party isn't good enough for Bernie unless he's running for president. Tax returns, Bernie?

[dem4decades]

30. I used to be a fan, no more.

[oberliner]

60. What changed your mind?

[DinahMoeHum]

35. (Yawn!)

[vdogg]

37. Yaaayyy....

[jalan48]

38. Well, this should keep DU hopping for the next year.

[musette_sf]

40. Good luck with that independent run

because all of the Democratic candidates for 2020 should be Democrats.

[Cha]

47. I'm grateful we have so many Women who

are BETTER QUALIFIED! Oh and Julian Castro.. MORE Qualified! And, MORE INCULSIVE!!

[bdamomma]

167. It's nice

to see women there especially Warren and Harris. It's kind of early for me to make a decision. But we need someone to hit the ground running and not hit the ground, Someone who has experience and can beat tRump, cause I think Putin will interfere again.

I like Bernie, but we need someone who can kick tRump out. And get us to be normal again.

[George II]

48. This is funny - the article talks about a "spate of recent polls", the "recent polls".....

....being a hyperlink.

Know what that links to? An article from AUGUST 2017. Recent, really? And that year and a half polls they reference is the overly debunked "Harvard Harris Poll" which only gave respondents a choice of about a dozen "politicians" (some of whom aren't even politicians!).

It should also be noted that the poll has a major disclaimer, "Results were weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, marital status, household size, income, employment, and education" (i.e., manipulated by the pollster)

The ONLY choices of "politicians" were:

Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton (out of politics)
Bernie Sanders
Mike Pence
Paul Ryan (out of politics)
Nancy Pelosi
Elizabeth Warren
Mitch McConnell
Jeff Sessions (out of politics)
Stephen Bannon (out of politics)
Chuck Schumer
Rex Tillerson 1274 (out of politics)

No mention of Kamala Harris, Beto O'Rourke, Joe Biden, Tulsi Gabbard, Pete Buttigieg, Kirsten Gillibrand, Julian Castro, and others.

If he's basing his candidacy on this poll (as indicated in the linked article), he's in for a huge surprise.

[oberliner]

56. It links to polls from January of this year showing him ahead of Harris, O'Rourke, Booker, Warren

And every other candidate except Biden.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

[George II]

67. "Recent polls" hyperlink goes to:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xww4ek/bernie-sanders-is-the-most-popular-politician-in-america-poll-says-vgtrn

Date of that article:

Aug 24 2017, 5:04pm

In that article, the "Harvard-Harris Poll" hyperlink goes to:

http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/HHP-August-Wave_Topline-Memo_Total-Only_Registered-Voters.pdf

August 2017

[oberliner]

81. Yes, there are three different hyperlinks to polls in the article

The one you just posted, the one I just posted, and this one about him being the most popular Senator (from April of last year):

America’s Most and Least Popular Senators

Sanders (I-Vt.) and McConnell (R-Ky.) remains the most popular and unpopular senators, respectively.

https://morningconsult.com/2018/04/12/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators/

The phrase "spate of recent polls" has two different hyperlinks (one if you click on "spate of" and one if you click on "recent polls" ) - and then there is another link under "one of the top candidates".

[lapucelle]

174. Why is a poll from 2017 included in the "spate of recent polls"? N/T

[Apollyonus]

107. LMAO

That is not a poll at all

[Historic NY]

52. Polls......

[NBachers]

55. Not this shit again- I'm wondering if the Democratic Party can disavow and disallow him.

[oberliner]

59. Why would they do that?

He is popular among Democratic Party voters.

[NBachers]

61. True to form, the usual hemorrhoids show up . . .

Referring to unwanted candidates, of course . . .

[Squinch]

65. Heh heh.

[oberliner]

73. Who is your candidate of choice as of now?

[Squinch]

78. Did you watch the WHOLE video?

[oberliner]

89. Yes, but I'm curious to know which Democratic candidate you are most keen on as of now

Do you have one in particular that you are excited about more than others?

[Squinch]

137. You should watch the video. The whole thing.

[oberliner]

71. Why is Bernie Sanders an unwanted candidate?

[NBachers]

93. "They're just not biting today"

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[oberliner]

100. I think Bernie has a lot of positive qualities and would be a good candidate to have in the mix.

We have an amazing group so far to hear from - and I think a few other folks will jump in soon as well - which will make for an inspiring primary season.

I am not sure I understand understand what you are communicating with that cartoon graphic.

[oberliner]

96. Everyone is divisive in one way or another

I think he has some very positive qualities and would be a good person to have in the mix.

[Cha]

113. you're right.. BS is too Divisive.

[oberliner]

119. I am speaking supportively of candidates running in the Democratic primary

Bernie Sanders is great.

As is Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand, Tulsi Gabbard, Julian Castro, Joe Biden, and many other potential candidates.

It is bizarre to think that saying good things about any of them would be considered "pot stirring" by anyone here.

[Cha]

111. No they aren't. BS is too Divisive.

[oberliner]

122. You don't find any of the other announced candidates to be divisive?

Does that include Kirsten Gillibrand and Tulsi Gabbard?

It seems from reading some posts here that a fair number of DUers find them to be divisive.

[Cha]

126. BS is too divisive for longer than anyone.

[LongtimeAZDem]

136. Not like him; once he's in, we're sunk, as his hardcore fans will never support anyone else

[John Fante]

58. He shouldn't be allowed to run as a Democrat.

It's obvious he considers the label beneath him. But kudos to him for breathing life into the Putin-controlled Bernie bots. I was starting to miss those divisive assholes.

[chillfactor]

64. OMG!

please not again!

[cilla4progress]

66. His would be a valuable voice

in the dialogue

[oberliner]

69. Amen

[John Fante]

70. Why? Warren is every bit as progressive as Bernie

and nowhere near as divisive.

She has been a loyal Democrat for decades. Bernie was a Democrat for the length of his last presidential campaign.

[cilla4progress]

74. Mo'

better.

Room for all!

Love me some progressives!

[John Fante]

77. I love progressive DEMOCRATS.

[earthshine]

99. Well put! The more progs we have in the primary/debates, the more progressive the Dem party will be.

nt

[oberliner]

75. Think Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are the same? They aren't

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/23/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-democratic-party-2020-differences

[John Fante]

91. A pro-Bernie oped that makes Warren sound like the more

sensible progressive candidate. Thanks for sharing!

[oberliner]

92. You're welcome

I think they are both great!

[emulatorloo]

108. No, they aren't the same. Warren goes beyond simple feel good slogans to concrete proposals

to acheive progressives change. She doesn’t surround herself with hot-heated binary thinking ideologues. She has a record of achievements.

She’s a much stronger candidate.

I supported Sanders in 2016, but she is head and shoulders above him as a potential President.

I wish you well in your support of Bernie 2020. He is very popular in Vermont and he is a good Senator for them

[oberliner]

127. I support all of the candidates running in the Democratic primary

I think Bernie would be a good addition to the mix, but I like them all so far.

[Devil Child]

142. +1 n/t

[PSPS]

72. I suppose he'll be a weekly regular on RT like the last time. Sanders is another kremlin asset.

Sanders' purpose isn't to promote ideas as much as it is to sow discord in the democratic party. And, by the way, we're still waiting for those tax returns, Bernie.

[John Fante]

95. He'll get a lot of help sowing discord from certain posters

around here, sadly.

[PSPS]

98. Yup. Sadly, that's his sole intention/mission.

[Roadside Attraction]

85. LOCK HIM UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QUICK!! Lock him up!!!!

[dhill926]

129. WTF???

[BamaRefugee]

86. I don't want to see him being allowed to "debate" a REAL Democrat candidate. Why have a real ...

… candidate being attacked from TWO SIDES at once, BS and Republicans?
That was the worst idea of all time in 2016.

[oberliner]

102. Don't all the Democratic candidates attack each other a bit in the primary?

That's sort of the idea behind the primary, to some extent.

[BamaRefugee]

123. Not one on one for 2 hours!

And he's NOT a Democrat!
At least the others will have been a part of the party, raised money for the party, worked for the party, defended the party, etc etc

[mtngirl47]

88. He's too old. Biden's too old. n/t

[David__77]

101. I was happy to vote for him before. And I may be happy to do so again.

...

[oberliner]

114. The sizes of the crowds at his rallies were impressive

[David__77]

121. I never attended.

I do not agree with him on everything, and I did not consider him to be a particularly effective candidate in some ways.

That said, at a minimum I think that he can help create a lot of political space for ideas that run counter to current orthodoxy. I find that valuable.

[oberliner]

130. I agree wholeheartedly

I also never got to attend a rally but was impressed by them from what I read and saw on television.

I think he is a valuable addition to the mix.

[jalan48]

132. It's tough for some to accept but lots of folks like Bernie.

[samnsara]

106. sigh

[Apollyonus]

109. Release tax returns NOW Bernie n/t

[Devil Child]

110. Damn good news

Haters gonna hate no matter what Sen. Sanders does or does not do. I’m unsure if he will be my primary favorite but I’ll see what the campaign brings.

[leftofcool]

115. Nope

If the DNC lets him run as a Dem, they will be toast.

[pnwmom]

118. After the way he just insulted women and minorities, forget it. He'll never learn. n/t

[bahrbearian]

128. He better be nicer to the Bankers this time if he want a chance

not going to be able to do on $27 donations

[Miigwech]

133. With all due respect ... will Bernie or bust folks

work for and vote for the Democratic nominee, if it is not Bernie?

[oberliner]

144. Bernie campaigned for and with Hillary Clinton after she won the nomination

[Miigwech]

152. Yes, Bernie did. But, did his hard core supporters follow his lead?

[oberliner]

168. Those who didn't infuriated me

But Bernie did make a solid effort to get his people on board with HRC and worked hard campaigning to try to defeat Trump.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

165. Obviously, that will never be good enough.

[INdemo]

139. No Bernie we have Elizabeth Warren.

Bernie you will not make it past the starting gate

[FailureToCommunicate]

163. They are a lot alike. Both fairly single message. BUT Bernie motivated millions of new voters

last time around. We'll have to wait and see if Warren can manage anything like the enthusiasm Bernie created.

[Botany]

141. What is the same about Bernie and Chiggers? What is different between Bernie and chiggers?

Same both are really unpleasant

Different Chiggers bites will go away

[CaptainTruth]

146. Sorry. Been there, done that. Ended up disappointed. Not doing it again.

[liberal N proud]

150. No way, go away!

I am not up for the crap the Bob's will throw this time around.

[nini]

153. He needs those $27 donations

I look forward to more thorough vetting this time.

[enid602]

156. Bern

I have a feeling that Bern will be as successful as Ralph Nader was in his subsequent campaigns.

[betsuni]

166. It's not good enough for somebody to say, 'I'm not Democratic Party establishment, vote for me.'

[Cha]

172. +Millions!

[roody]

175. Yippee!

[DonViejo]

176. Locking...

Forum Hosts agree a feature article about "he's going to announce" is not LBN; the Senator's actual announcement will be

[pangaia]

177. It seems to me like 'most popular' means most popular in their home state.

Am I wrong?