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Thu Feb 7, 2019, 01:55 PM

 

NYPD demands that Google's Waze app stop revealing DWI checkpoints

Source: CNBC

New York's police department is demanding that Google remove all DWI checkpoint information from Waze.
It says the navigation app helps impaired and intoxicated drivers evade checkpoints.
Waze, which is owned by Google, lets drivers alert other drivers to obstacles, speed traps, road closures, traffic and DWI checkpoints.






Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/06/-googles-waze-revealing-dwi-checkpoints-nypd.html

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Reply NYPD demands that Google's Waze app stop revealing DWI checkpoints (Original post)
LakeSuperiorView Feb 2019 OP
NurseJackie Feb 2019 #1
iscooterliberally Feb 2019 #6
PupCamo Feb 2019 #25
qazplm135 Feb 2019 #2
Adrahil Feb 2019 #14
soryang Feb 2019 #17
djg21 Feb 2019 #22
Adrahil Feb 2019 #24
Gore1FL Feb 2019 #3
LiberalFighter Feb 2019 #5
EarthFirst Feb 2019 #19
LiberalFighter Feb 2019 #4
Rover1 Feb 2019 #7
X_Digger Feb 2019 #21
djg21 Feb 2019 #23
ToxMarz Feb 2019 #8
TeamPooka Feb 2019 #9
cstanleytech Feb 2019 #10
Maxheader Feb 2019 #11
LakeSuperiorView Feb 2019 #12
BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #13
LakeSuperiorView Feb 2019 #16
BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #18
MicaelS Feb 2019 #15
X_Digger Feb 2019 #20
hueymahl Feb 2019 #26
Demonaut Feb 2019 #27
customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #28
democratisphere Feb 2019 #29

Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 02:00 PM

1. Is "DWI Checkpoint" an actual option on Waze? Or is it just the usual...

Is "DWI Checkpoint" an actual option on Waze? Or is it just the usual "Police Visible" and "Police Hidden" pins that people are sticking in their digital maps?

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 02:12 PM

6. All I have on my Waze is the 'Police Visible/hidden' options.

There's a place where you could add a comment, but I can't do that when I'm driving. I don't think NYPD is going to get what they want here. Apparently DUI checkpoints aren't even legal in every state. I know they have them in Ft Lauderdale all the time, but the police usually post the place and time in the newspaper before they even set it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_checkpoint

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Response to iscooterliberally (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:19 AM

25. the cops around here always announce the checkpoints

which I never did understand

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 02:04 PM

2. I'm ok with speed traps and police reveals generally

probably makes people slow down more.

But I'm in agreement that I don't want DUI traps revealed...I'd like those folks to get caught.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 04:10 PM

14. I personally think checkpoints are Unconstitutional

 

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 06:00 PM

17. without some kind of public notice

So I don't understand the reasoning here.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 08:48 PM

22. No they're not.

 

it’s well settled as a matter of constitutional law. There are criteria that police must follow, and they typically do follow them to avoid 4th Amendment concerns. You can do a google search and educate yourself. Checkpoints serve a compelling state interest.

The issue with Waze presents a First Amendment issue, and NYC loses this one.

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Response to djg21 (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 12:26 AM

24. I'm aware of those....

 

And you will note I expressed a personal opinion.

I understand it is at odds with current rulings. But current rulings hold that corporations are people too, so.....

I have only encountered a single check point and refused to engage with the cops (I did give them my license and registration when requested). They blustered, but let me go.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 02:04 PM

3. When police shut down a road, it's defacto public information.

One would think if it is legal to record them doing things in public, it should be legal to discuss the things they do in public.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 02:06 PM

5. Absolutely.

Otherwise, they should use invisible police cars.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 06:41 PM

19. This. nt

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 02:05 PM

4. What legal authority does the NYPD have to stop Google?

Personally, I don't think the NYPD has to worry about this. If they are drunk they are not likely to check for the DWI checkpoints.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 02:15 PM

7. WAZE

 

This matter has been settled by the US Supreme Court. Alerting about police prescence is an exercise of your free speech rights. Why is the NYPD is wasting resources when the matter has been judged? If they don't like it, they need change the US Constitution.

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Response to Rover1 (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 08:37 PM

21. This is the NYPD. Read the village voice series on the Schoolcraft tapes.

https://www.villagevoice.com/2010/06/15/nypd-tapes-4-the-whistleblower-adrian-schoolcraft/
Schoolcraft has been introduced to Voice readers as the Bed-Stuy cop who secretly taped 117 roll calls at the precinct, as well as many other conversations with his fellow cops. In our series, “The NYPD Tapes,” the Voice has been making these recordings public, and they show a pattern of police downgrading crimes, intimidating crime victims, and enforcing quotas for writing tickets and performing “stop-and-frisks.”


Stop and Frisk, remember that shit?

https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data
In 2011, 685,724 NYPD stops were recorded.
605,328 were totally innocent (88 percent).
350,743 were black (53 percent).
223,740 were Latino (34 percent).
61,805 were white (9 percent).
341,581 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).


Fuck em.

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Response to Rover1 (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 10:40 PM

23. It likely isn't a legal threat.

 

If NYC prohibits use of google and google products on the PCs it provides to employees, and other municipalities and individuals follow suit, there could be a fiscal impact to Google. The NYC government is a large consumer.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 02:25 PM

8. I'm betting they don't succeed

It's about the same as flashing your lights at oncoming traffic to warn of a speed trap.

A friend has been ticketed twice for this (the cops don't like you doing this so they try to intimidate you) and beat it both times. They write the ticket for something like driving with flashing lights (eg. hazard lights, which is actually illegal). The second time the Judge went ballistic on the cop, apparently he had been before this judge previously for the same thing and been clearly informed that is not what the law was for.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 02:27 PM

9. The government is not allowed to restrict the free speech of citizens, even through an app.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 02:27 PM

10. Sorry but you can demand all you want however the 1st amendment trumps your demand.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 02:45 PM

11. Used to be, flashing the "V" sign with your fingers...

at approaching motorists...to alert them to a speed trap you just went by...
Or flashing your lights....The county mountys do not like that and if they
catch you they will pull you over...

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 03:43 PM

12. Minnesota tried doing them and I think they have stopped, years ago.

 

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In 1994, the Minnesota Supreme court ruled them unconstitutional on the basis that they lacked probable cause. Minnesota will bust your ass if you are

Drifting in and out of traffic lanes
Swerving
Tailgating
Taking an illegal or abrupt turn
Frequent and abrupt braking
Driving in the dark without headlights
Driving in an incorrect lane

but you have to present reasonable suspicion by the above or other behaviors.


38 states allow stopping vehicles for no reason to conduct DWI checkpoints. The states that don't allow them (interesting that most are northern states):

Alaska - No state authority
Idaho - Illegal under state law
Iowa - Statute authorizing roadblocks does not permit sobriety checkpoints
Michigan - Illegal under state constitution
Minnesota - Illegal under state constitution
Montana - State law only permits "safety spotchecks"
Oregon - Illegal under state constitution
Rhode Island - Illegal by state Supreme Court decision
Texas - Illegal under state's interpretation of the U.S. Constitution
Washington - Illegal by state Supreme Court decision
Wisconsin - Illegal under state law
Wyoming - Illegal under interpretation of roadblock statute

I have only encountered one back when they were trialed and I used an alternate route to avoid the delay. I saw them on the highway from the parallel road I used. Looked to be at least a 15 minute delay. I had been babysitting my cousin's kids and it was a easy route change.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 03:46 PM

13. "the navigation app helps impaired and intoxicated drivers"

Now THAT is as oxymoronic a statement as one might ever see!

And even if one uses Waze's turn-by-turn voice notifications, if you are "impaired", the person probably would miss the cues anyway because hell, it can be a bit hit or miss when you are NOT impared!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 05:57 PM

16. You just reminded me. My closest encounter with a DUI driver was when he ran into the back of my

 

pickup. I was stopped at a light near a freeway exchange. Dumbass was riding a motorcycle wearing a leather helmet. He managed to slow down enough to not get hurt, but he did bend the bumper of my Ranger. Checkpoints could increase the number of accidents as impaired drivers run into stopped traffic where there are normally no traffic signals...

The idiot that hit me was driving with no license (previous DUI) or insurance. I was subpoenaed to court, with cancellations on the day of, three times before he finally agreed to a plea deal.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 06:18 PM

18. Basically that is how it goes

and hate to say but it happens the same way with "distracted" drivers. I had one rear-end me about 20 years ago - literally during rush hour in downtown stopped traffic, right as a red light had just changed to green and cars started slowly moving forward. That caused my car to rear end a taxi in front of me like bumper cars. THEN the guy jumped out of his car and ran away leaving his car in the middle of the street - and this is in the middle of the city! So there I am with my rear bumper and muffler hanging and his car front "crumpled", but I was able to get mine roped up so I could get home and get it repaired later.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 05:41 PM

15. Let them demand away..

It's good exercise.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 08:32 PM

20. Public information, you assholes. n/t

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:24 AM

26. Dumb asses

Hey NYPD - try doing your duty and uphold the law instead of trying to repress free speech.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:40 AM

27. you have to be pretty sober to notice checkpoints on Waze

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:14 AM

28. So, the cops

want something that is in clear public view on the street, to be obscured in Waze?

Good luck with that.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:26 AM

29. Receipts for heavy fines must be down.

Not sure NYPD can demand restriction of this kind of communication.

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