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bupkus

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Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:11 PM Sep 2012

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Nice one. Of course, Benghazi is where the jihadists hang out, but nevermind that. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #1
Yeah. These are the same people who hated the old regime. harmonicon Sep 2012 #2
We absolutely made this possible arewenotdemo Sep 2012 #3
Libyans would disgaree!! SkyDaddy7 Sep 2012 #9
Yep, unlike Tunisia and Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood was marginalized in Libya. joshcryer Sep 2012 #15
These things aren't mutually exclusive. harmonicon Sep 2012 #25
"Violence begets violence." True, including the violence that dictators use on their people to stay pampango Sep 2012 #28
I don't disagree with you. harmonicon Sep 2012 #29
Except Benghazians had a counter protest: joshcryer Sep 2012 #5
OP never said they don't arewenotdemo Sep 2012 #6
I was countering the black and white "nevermind the jihadists" quip. joshcryer Sep 2012 #10
Are you saying there aren't jihadis there and that they aren't responsible? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #12
I'm saying that it's not representitive of the situation. joshcryer Sep 2012 #13
When Zawahiri and Wolfowitz are on the same side... arewenotdemo Sep 2012 #4
Of course they're going to say this! What else would they say? riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #7
Lol, well it took them longer than I expected to make that claim. Funny how nothing like this sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #8
Wait, wait....they're just activists... arewenotdemo Sep 2012 #11
This was a Romney moment, an attempt to use a terrible tragedy as he did, for sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #24
Real funny sabrina. joshcryer Sep 2012 #14
You know what makes ME sick, the killings, the slaughter sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #16
You put "LOL" in post #8. I didn't accuse you of anything. It is a FACT. joshcryer Sep 2012 #17
What a disgusting distortion of what that comment was about.. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #18
I see no disagreement. You think "this" is funny. joshcryer Sep 2012 #20
Please do not address me again. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #21
Try not to laugh it up about tragedy. joshcryer Sep 2012 #22
I asked you not to address me any further. Your ugly distortions are visible here and this sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #23
If you feel that way please use ignore. joshcryer Sep 2012 #26
Mossad's Fingerprints all over these two events... KingSurvival Sep 2012 #19
No surprise that they would make this claim daleo Sep 2012 #27
 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
1. Nice one. Of course, Benghazi is where the jihadists hang out, but nevermind that.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:57 PM
Sep 2012

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
2. Yeah. These are the same people who hated the old regime.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:06 PM
Sep 2012

We made this possible.

 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
3. We absolutely made this possible
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:26 PM
Sep 2012

Biggest mistake Obama has made in four years, IMO.

Hopefully it will give him pause before making any more neocon dreams a reality (Syria).

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
9. Libyans would disgaree!!
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:38 PM
Sep 2012

The Libyans just had an election & elected moderates not Islamic extremist. So, NO NO NO Obama did not cause this nor was it a mistake to do what he did for the Libyan people.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
15. Yep, unlike Tunisia and Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood was marginalized in Libya.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:56 PM
Sep 2012

This happened because of bad security and it was clearly a planned attack. Probably some small faction unrepresentitive of the Libyan protesters.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
25. These things aren't mutually exclusive.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:17 PM
Sep 2012

What about the thousands of dead Libyans? What about those murdered with their hands tied behind their backs? What about all of those who were murdered by the revolutionaries for the sin of being black?

Who did they vote for?

Violence begets violence.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
28. "Violence begets violence." True, including the violence that dictators use on their people to stay
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 08:12 AM
Sep 2012

in power.

All dictators, certainly not just Gaddafi, use their security services and military to stay in power. Dictators don't have to worry about losing power through the ballot. All they have to worry about are coups and revolutions hence the reliance on force and violence.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
29. I don't disagree with you.
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:20 AM
Sep 2012

However, too often, the US has taken the position of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," which is rarely true. More often, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
5. Except Benghazians had a counter protest:
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:10 PM
Sep 2012


Not that facts matter.
 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
6. OP never said they don't
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:21 PM
Sep 2012

Question was who was responsible for the attack.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
10. I was countering the black and white "nevermind the jihadists" quip.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:38 PM
Sep 2012

Not the OP.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
12. Are you saying there aren't jihadis there and that they aren't responsible?
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:28 PM
Sep 2012

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
13. I'm saying that it's not representitive of the situation.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:56 PM
Sep 2012
 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
4. When Zawahiri and Wolfowitz are on the same side...
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:05 PM
Sep 2012

you may just possibly want to reconsider your support for same.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
7. Of course they're going to say this! What else would they say?
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:26 PM
Sep 2012

"A faction of revolutionaries (cough) that were/are allied with us, and that the US backed, has now attacked and killed the US Ambassador and support personnel?"

Yeah, can't say THAT now....

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
8. Lol, well it took them longer than I expected to make that claim. Funny how nothing like this
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:32 PM
Sep 2012

happened to any of the thousands of Americans living and working in Libya while Qadaffi was in power there.

Those Al Queda 'protesters' we used to topple Qadaffi weren't really on our side, but they knew a good opportunity when they saw it.

They've been slaughtering and torturing people since NATO disappeared, AND killing their fellow 'revolutionaries'.

I thought that NATO's role there was to protect civilians, but as soon as they murdered Qadaffi, the left the civilians to the barbarism of the 'protesters' they were helping to topple his regime.

We are told so many lies.

 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
11. Wait, wait....they're just activists...
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:47 PM
Sep 2012

Al Qaeda activists.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
24. This was a Romney moment, an attempt to use a terrible tragedy as he did, for
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:56 PM
Sep 2012

political purposes. No one knows who is responsible for these murders yet. But there will always be those who will use even tragedies like this, to further their political agendas.

We did use Al Queda in Libya during the so-called uprising. However there is still no way of knowing who did this or who was behind it, or if it was planned.

But four people are dead and it's a shame to see the attempts to use their deaths for political advantage.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
14. Real funny sabrina.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:53 PM
Sep 2012

Laughs all around.

Make me sick.

The only lies here are associating Benghazians and the Libyan protesters with "al-Queda."

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
16. You know what makes ME sick, the killings, the slaughter
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:02 PM
Sep 2012

of so many innocents in Libya, the torture, the rapes, the hangings, all of which was cheered on while it was happening. Yes, that made me sick. And now, the murders of these Americans.

And another thing that makes me sick is your continued personal attacks on me which I have been far too tolerant of, as many have told me.

Don't you dare try to accuse me of ever laughing at the murders of human beings. My record on the slaughter of human beings no matter which side they are on, is and always has been crystal clear.

We had no business backing the fake uprising in Libya and I will never forgive MYSELF for initially supporting it.

At least I can admit when I am wrong.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
17. You put "LOL" in post #8. I didn't accuse you of anything. It is a FACT.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:06 PM
Sep 2012

What a disgusting display.

It's not an attack if it's a fact. You think it's funny that this happened. And you repeat the falsehood that the protesters were Al-Qaeda.

Yet the real protesters came out and counter protested the terrorist acts.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
18. What a disgusting distortion of what that comment was about..
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:24 PM
Sep 2012

How dare you.

My meaning was clear and I will repeat it. It was a given that someone would attempt to blame Qadaffi supporters, DESPITE the reports that some of the guards were involved. With no proof of anything, this was the response that was more than predictable.

Thankfully I am informed, your ugly distortion of my comment has been noted and rather than alert on your extremely ugly personal attack, I will leave it for all to see.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
20. I see no disagreement. You think "this" is funny.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:59 PM
Sep 2012

And you "LOL'd" about it.

I didn't distort anything. I just know what the word "this" means.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
21. Please do not address me again.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:02 PM
Sep 2012

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
22. Try not to laugh it up about tragedy.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:07 PM
Sep 2012

FYI Libyan Security officials believe it was an islamist sect aligned with Ansar al-Sharia disproving the entire basis of the "funny."

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
23. I asked you not to address me any further. Your ugly distortions are visible here and this
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:47 PM
Sep 2012

this matter is settled.

I will consider any further attempts to communicate with me to be harassment.


joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
26. If you feel that way please use ignore.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:29 PM
Sep 2012

I do not take kindly to people slandering the Libyan people and making a mockery of them. It is a tragedy that is not "LOL" worthy or "funny" as you write in post #8.

KingSurvival

(2 posts)
19. Mossad's Fingerprints all over these two events...
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:30 PM
Sep 2012

The spark for the protests in Libya and Egypt was an obscure movie made in the United States by a California filmmaker who calls Islam a "cancer." Video excerpts posted on YouTube depict Muhammad as a fraud, a womanizer and a madman in an overtly ridiculing way, showing him having sex and calling for massacres.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
27. No surprise that they would make this claim
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:08 AM
Sep 2012

It might even be true.

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