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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 08:36 AM Mar 2019

Schiff defiant: 'Undoubtedly, there is collusion'

Source: The Hill



BY JOHN BOWDEN - 03/27/19 07:52 AM EDT

House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said in a new interview that he believes evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia "undoubtedly" exists and can be found by his committee, even though a summary of Robert Mueller's investigation said there was no evidence to support that conclusion.

Schiff told The Washington Post that the special counsel's investigators did not look at whether Trump was subject to the influence of foreign powers, and said that his committee would continue to pursue an investigation into whether the president's campaign worked with Russia or other countries in 2016.

“Undoubtedly, there is collusion,” Schiff told the Post. “We will continue to investigate the counterintelligence issues. That is, is the president or people around him compromised in any way by a hostile foreign power?"

"It doesn’t appear that was any part of Mueller’s report," he continued.

Read more: https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/435983-schiff-defiant-undoubtedly-there-is-collusion

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Schiff defiant: 'Undoubtedly, there is collusion' (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2019 OP
what is preventing Schiff from beachbum bob Mar 2019 #1
I think the last couple days have knocked a few back on their heels. Ligyron Mar 2019 #4
They are DownriverDem Mar 2019 #7
Evil & stupid at the same time - that's our GOP. rickyhall Mar 2019 #12
Why do it when he can repeat for several days that the GOP can prevent it by releasing the report? ehrnst Mar 2019 #15
the sooner trump and DOJ refuse to respond to a congressional subpoena, the sooner beachbum bob Mar 2019 #18
April 2 is their deadline. If we subpoena before that, they have no reason to release the report. ehrnst Mar 2019 #20
Speed is important. notdarkyet Mar 2019 #21
They are giving Barr until April 2 to provide the report Perseus Mar 2019 #19
To be a cover for. Crooked politicians and presidents. So proud. notdarkyet Mar 2019 #22
This is what is incomprehensible onetexan Mar 2019 #31
The April 2nd demand date needs to pass first IMHO. n/t rzemanfl Mar 2019 #26
K&R Ponietz Mar 2019 #2
Undoubtedly MondoMan Mar 2019 #3
So it's good that nobody has to wait for Mueller now. ginnyinWI Mar 2019 #5
Barr letter is very carefully worded to specify DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #6
The Russian Government was most definitely involved Botany Mar 2019 #9
Didn't you ever watch the TV series Mission: Impossible csziggy Mar 2019 #17
Mission:Impossible is one of my all time favorite shows DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #35
Putin is way better at covering up. Snidely Whiplash without a mustache or hat. rickyhall Mar 2019 #13
Interesting Point MosheFeingold Mar 2019 #23
Barr states there was no conspiracy with the Russian government DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #34
The Mueller report did not say there wasn't any evidence. C_U_L8R Mar 2019 #8
This is why he wrote his memo first. zaj Mar 2019 #11
That's not true! zaj Mar 2019 #10
Report Didn't Say "No Evidence" DallasNE Mar 2019 #14
Help is not illegal MosheFeingold Mar 2019 #24
I Said Nothing About Mossad n/t DallasNE Mar 2019 #27
You said Israel MosheFeingold Mar 2019 #28
A Link DallasNE Mar 2019 #32
Interesting read MosheFeingold Mar 2019 #36
I watched him collude on TV, for example "Russia if you're listening..." lagomorph777 Mar 2019 #16
What We Are Up Against With Barr DallasNE Mar 2019 #25
You go there, mr schiff ! 👏👏👏👏 Irishxs Mar 2019 #29
The media is operating under the old assertion paleotn Mar 2019 #30
This made me smile Gothmog Mar 2019 #33
What's the point of an investigation, then? hughee99 Mar 2019 #37
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
1. what is preventing Schiff from
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 08:40 AM
Mar 2019

subpoena of Mueller and Mueller's report to be brought before his committee?? Let trump and GOP fight against doing this.

I would think the subpoena for both would have gone out yesterday.

Ligyron

(7,825 posts)
4. I think the last couple days have knocked a few back on their heels.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 08:45 AM
Mar 2019

They'll catch their footing and move forward.

DownriverDem

(6,473 posts)
7. They are
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:04 AM
Mar 2019

They will subpoena both Barr and Mueller. There are talks going on now. One thing for sure, the majority of the country does not believe trump and the repubs. Now we see they are going to destroy ObamaCare (which includes Medicaid expansion) that will take away health care from millions of Americans. It will also take away the benefits we all enjoy - protecting pre-existing conditions and allowing your child to stay on your health insurance until 26 to name a couple of benefits that would end. I abhor repubs.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
15. Why do it when he can repeat for several days that the GOP can prevent it by releasing the report?
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:55 AM
Mar 2019

He has stated that he will subpoena Mueller "if necessary." He's being logical and reasonable, making DT look more defensive and freaked out by contrast.

One has to have a carrot before bringing out the stick. What motivation would the GOP have to release the report if Schiff had already subpoeneaed Muller? Think about it.

Besides, it gives the GOP more rope to hang themselves, knowing that they will have to come up with more and more excuses for why they won't release a report that found nothing wrong about DOTUS?

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
18. the sooner trump and DOJ refuse to respond to a congressional subpoena, the sooner
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:03 AM
Mar 2019

the next step in the offensive for democrats occur. Until then it is not a real play with the public. Force GOP to defend not abiding a congressional subpoena, the sooner the better.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
20. April 2 is their deadline. If we subpoena before that, they have no reason to release the report.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:25 AM
Mar 2019
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
19. They are giving Barr until April 2 to provide the report
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:06 AM
Mar 2019

After that the subpoenas can begin flowing.

William Barr..."I have worked all my life to put myself through law school, to become AG, but my greatest moment has been to be accepted into trump's pet collection, I am now a puppet of trump, I have realized my lifetime goal."

onetexan

(13,599 posts)
31. This is what is incomprehensible
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:15 AM
Mar 2019

That this guy who had already served honorably (at least from the perspective that the previous POTUS he served under was half decent compared to the Idiot) would be willing to disgrave himself to cover up for such a hideous and corrupt man. Has he no integrity?

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
5. So it's good that nobody has to wait for Mueller now.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 08:49 AM
Mar 2019

Now the ball is in Congress' court. Whether the actual report comes or not, they can move forward.

Does anyone believe that they are going to let the whole report be released? Not unless it paints DT as an absolute angel.

DeminPennswoods

(15,871 posts)
6. Barr letter is very carefully worded to specify
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 08:50 AM
Mar 2019

Russian government, not Russians. I think it's a generally accepted fact that the Russian government doesn't directly involve itself. All the dirty work is done by oligarchs and others technically unaffiliated with the government.

Botany

(71,817 posts)
9. The Russian Government was most definitely involved
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:18 AM
Mar 2019

Both the FSB (used to be the KGB) and the GRU (Russia's military intel) worked
on rigging our elections.

csziggy

(34,179 posts)
17. Didn't you ever watch the TV series Mission: Impossible
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:02 AM
Mar 2019

"Voice on Tape: As always, should you or any of your IM force be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions. Good luck, Jim. This tape will self-destruct in five seconds."

Now translate that into Russian. The Russian government, either behind the Iron Curtain or now, would have had the same policy - as did and does the US government - for their operatives.

The Mission Impossible team screwed with elections on at least one episode:

Wheels
TV-PG | 1h | Action, Adventure, Crime | Episode aired 29 October 1966
Season 1 | Episode 7

The IMF team's tasked to "unfix" a crooked election by thwarting plans to use a crooked voting machine in a crucial voting district in a South American country. "The Wheels" are the tally counters in the voting machine.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0649373/

DeminPennswoods

(15,871 posts)
35. Mission:Impossible is one of my all time favorite shows
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 02:53 PM
Mar 2019

The episode where they built a fake submarine in a warehouse to catch a former Nazi, iirc, and the one where they drilled into a vault, melted the gold bars and drained out the liquid gold were classics.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
23. Interesting Point
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:50 AM
Mar 2019

The counter is no one would do this independently of the FSB in Russia and expect to have a long life.

It's a rough place; they do not play.

DeminPennswoods

(15,871 posts)
34. Barr states there was no conspiracy with the Russian government
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 02:51 PM
Mar 2019

which is a narrow definition. We know from public accounts that Trump et al was more than willing to conspire with Russians if by nothing more than Jr's "If it's what you say, I love it!" email setting up the Trump Tower meeting.

C_U_L8R

(45,400 posts)
8. The Mueller report did not say there wasn't any evidence.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:07 AM
Mar 2019

In fact, no one really knows what the Mueller report says.
At this point there were no further neatly packaged prosecutions.
But there may be tons of evidence.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
11. This is why he wrote his memo first.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:41 AM
Mar 2019

Political cover. Frame the narrative in the media. Cover up without covering up.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
10. That's not true!
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:39 AM
Mar 2019
even though a summary of Robert Mueller's investigation said there was no evidence to support that conclusion


It didn't say this... At all.

There isn't enough evidence to bring a conviction at 90% confidence. There might bea lot of evidence, but not enough to convict in court with near certainty of winning.

DallasNE

(7,507 posts)
14. Report Didn't Say "No Evidence"
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:50 AM
Mar 2019

The report said the evidence was not sufficient enough to convict beyond a reasonable doubt.

Also, I don't know why Israel isn't named as one of those countries that helped Trump during the election. Trump has certainly returned the favor.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
24. Help is not illegal
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:53 AM
Mar 2019

They would need to do something illegal, like hack an email server.

Do you have evidence the Mossad was up to something? Or is this just an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory?

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
28. You said Israel
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:08 AM
Mar 2019

Their Office of Ungentlemanly Warfare is the Mossad.

What illegal act, if any, do you claim Israel participated in?

Go ahead, don't be coy.

DallasNE

(7,507 posts)
32. A Link
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:59 AM
Mar 2019

I have attached a link that covers some of the issues I read about but is not the original source. My memory was of Sheldon Addleson connections inside of Israel that he encouraged to help Trump by setting up false social media accounts to use in that regard - similar to what was going on in Russia. These kinds of foreign services are considered contributions when done for political purposes. I also recall a Popadopalous connection with Israel from his plea deal that may not have been legal but my search didn't locate that.

Perhaps I should have said Israeli rather than Israel but that changes little.

https://mondoweiss.net/2018/10/israeli-president-rewards/

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
36. Interesting read
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 03:27 PM
Mar 2019

Three comments:

1. Sheldon Anderson is not Israeli. He's from Dorchester, MA and lives in Las Vegas.

2. While apparently a private group in Israel offered to help, they were turned down by Trump. Says so in your article.

3. That's an interesting website. One article claims saying "Israel has a right to exist" is racist. Another pushes the (long debunked) myth that Israeli Jews are Khazars. (Being proven wrong both by the fact that this was genetically dis-proven in the Ashkenazi population at issue and because the plurality of Israeli Jews are Sephardic -- that is, Jewish people that were ethnically cleansed from the surrounding countries (Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, etc). They had to flee to the British Mandate/Israel to escape being murdered. I normally see those kind of theories on right-wing Neo-Nazi websites -- but they've seen to found a home with the pro-Arab/one-state crowd. I'd peruse the site with caution.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
16. I watched him collude on TV, for example "Russia if you're listening..."
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:00 AM
Mar 2019

many other examples: Trump's furtive trysts with Putin, with no Americans present, after which Putin emerges with that post-orgasm smirk. Firing Comey, then immediately inviting the Russian foreign minister and the Russian ambassador over to the WH for a high-five and sharing some sensitive classified information, Trump constantly praising Putin, ...

I don't understand how there's any debate about it, nor any need to investigate. Trump colluded; it's a publicly obvious fact. There may be more collusion, but what's publicly established is unambiguously collusion.

DallasNE

(7,507 posts)
25. What We Are Up Against With Barr
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:54 AM
Mar 2019

Barr is a total yes man that will kiss Trump's butt at every turn. Below is a video of Barr addressing immigration at our southern border. He sounds exactly like Trump so make no mistake, he is Trump's hatchet man.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=video+of+william+barr+speaking+at+the+whitehouse&view=detail&mid=929FE6AEBF2C44B848FB929FE6AEBF2C44B848FB&FORM=VIRE

paleotn

(18,787 posts)
30. The media is operating under the old assertion
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:12 AM
Mar 2019

that we can trust what the US AG says implicitly. They’re unaware or intentionally obtuse to the fact that the rules have changed

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
37. What's the point of an investigation, then?
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 03:51 PM
Mar 2019

If the people investigating are already sure of the facts, why even bother? He should just start impeachment now.

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