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technotwit

(71 posts)
Wed May 8, 2019, 12:47 PM May 2019

David Cay Johnston says tRUmp was in cocaine trafficking

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Source: Democracy Now!


AMY GOODMAN: Who was backing him? Talk about the banks. And there seems to be some unexplained large sum of money that he got at that time, $52.9 million.

DAVID CAY JOHNSTON: Yeah. Trump reported one year almost $53 million of interest. Now, if he held treasury notes, that means he had over $660 million of treasury bonds. And if it were junk bonds, more than $350 million. We know from other things that Trump had to disclose over the years that he didn’t have a portfolio anywhere like that. So the question is, did he report some income that was from some other source he was trying to hide as interest? And then the question would be, was it benign or nefarious?

And I would point out that this was during or right after the period when we know that Donald Trump was very deeply entangled with the international cocaine trafficker Joseph Wexelbaum. So deeply entangled and did so many favors for him that I’ve said, and I’ll say again, the only logical explanation for his conduct is that Donald was in the cocaine trafficking business with Joe Wexelbaum. And Donald, if you’re listening, sue me if you think you can prove what I just said isn’t true.

Read more: https://www.democracynow.org/2019/5/8/billion_dollar_loser_nyt_report_on

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David Cay Johnston says tRUmp was in cocaine trafficking (Original Post) technotwit May 2019 OP
Donald doesn't have to prove that what DCJ says isn't true ScratchCat May 2019 #1
pretty sure he's thought this through eShirl May 2019 #4
Yes, but if the buffoon were to sue? Perseus May 2019 #5
If this went to court ScratchCat May 2019 #10
they would have to drill down on where the $53 million came from Jarqui May 2019 #13
It's called "Discovery" sop May 2019 #29
DCJ DownriverDem May 2019 #21
Anyone surprised? dewsgirl May 2019 #2
Trump is that grimy. blue neen May 2019 #3
That Last Line, Though...DAYUM!! The_Counsel May 2019 #6
Of all people, Johnston knows how lawsuit-crazy Chump is FakeNoose May 2019 #24
And he does his homework. yonder May 2019 #27
Cocaine and young girls for wealthy perverts. leftyladyfrommo May 2019 #7
hookers & blow TalenaGor May 2019 #8
Was not there a story about Trump's Wellstone ruled May 2019 #9
It doesnt matter, his base will support him when he refuses to leave WH when he loses Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #20
Here is the article about Trump's involvement with a known drug trafficker. mgardener May 2019 #11
I believe he may very well have laundered Wexelbaum's trafficking through his casinos for him. Texin May 2019 #12
That certainly makes sense.... plus Tiny had motive (he was dead ass BROKE) groundloop May 2019 #17
And that's how he knows about drugs coming Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #14
With His Ever Present Sniffing, It Appears Trump Has Done More than Traffic in Cocaine dlk May 2019 #15
Getting Cocaine Off The Streets, One Gram At A Time nt smb May 2019 #18
Bravo, Mr. Johnston Desert_Leslie May 2019 #16
Tip-iceberg Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #19
whoa Nellie! renate May 2019 #22
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow May 2019 #23
but if it were from cocaine and not from anything potentially traceable, why would he declare it? renate May 2019 #25
I agree ScratchCat May 2019 #28
No. I'd believe a lot about Trump, but not that. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #26
I disagree about the drugs. INdemo May 2019 #30
Locking after a review by Forum Hosts Yonnie3 May 2019 #31

ScratchCat

(2,740 posts)
1. Donald doesn't have to prove that what DCJ says isn't true
Wed May 8, 2019, 12:54 PM
May 2019

to sue him. In fact, its pretty stupid for DCJ to say that and follow it up with that "threat". I don't doubt that Trump is involved in all kinds of nefarious financial deals, but you got to have some proof of cocaine money laundering other than "the only logical explanation for his conduct" to make such a claim and then expect it to not be actionable.

eShirl

(20,259 posts)
4. pretty sure he's thought this through
Wed May 8, 2019, 12:59 PM
May 2019
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
5. Yes, but if the buffoon were to sue?
Wed May 8, 2019, 01:04 PM
May 2019

He would have to prove that it is not true...and that would open a bunch of inquiries, investigations that if DCJ is correct, the buffoon will not want to have it investigated with the fear that the truth will come out.

Not only that, but those inquiries and investigations will bring other nefarious actions by the buffoon to light, it will open many can of worms the buffoon will not be happy with.

ScratchCat

(2,740 posts)
10. If this went to court
Wed May 8, 2019, 01:29 PM
May 2019

DCJ would have to offer some sort of proof of his claim. I know he's written books about Trump and has all sorts of info, but he would have to have something other than a claim that "there is no other logical explanation". Of course there is another explanation - the one Trump used on his tax returns. Trump has an affirmative defense - his audited tax returns. What does DCJ have? He can't just make the claim,. wait for Trump to sue him and then he gets to depose Trump on any subject he wants to. It doesn't work that way. He would have to show in court he had reason to make that claim when he made it. I doubt he has that, or the DOJ should have easily had it to a decade ago.

Jarqui

(10,909 posts)
13. they would have to drill down on where the $53 million came from
Wed May 8, 2019, 01:52 PM
May 2019

Trump is proving right now he doesn't want that sort of thing going on with his financial records.

He doesn't want reporters digging into his tax returns. That's like having a thousand auditors comparing notes.

sop

(18,622 posts)
29. It's called "Discovery"
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:38 PM
May 2019

"Discovery is the pre-trial phase in a lawsuit in which each party investigates the facts of a case, through the rules of civil procedure, by obtaining evidence from the opposing party and others by means of discovery devices including requests for answers to interrogatories, requests for production of documents, requests for admissions, and depositions.

"Under the laws of the United States, civil discovery is broadly construed and parties to a civil action can ask for virtually any material which is reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence. This is a much broader standard than simply relevant evidence, because it contemplates the exploration of materials and testimony that may not be directly relevant itself, but that could lead to the discovery of other evidence."

DownriverDem

(7,014 posts)
21. DCJ
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:19 PM
May 2019

wouldn't say what he did if he hadn't researched it. Why are you defending trump? Ever notice trump talks about not drinking and smoking, but never says anything about drugs?

dewsgirl

(14,964 posts)
2. Anyone surprised?
Wed May 8, 2019, 12:55 PM
May 2019

blue neen

(12,465 posts)
3. Trump is that grimy.
Wed May 8, 2019, 12:56 PM
May 2019

So, it is believable.

The_Counsel

(1,757 posts)
6. That Last Line, Though...DAYUM!!
Wed May 8, 2019, 01:06 PM
May 2019
And Donald, if you’re listening, sue me if you think you can prove what I just said isn’t true.


* Emphasis mine.

So basically..."don't just tweet about how big a liar I supposedly am. Put you legal retainer fund where your mouth is and sue me!"

"But you won't, because you know it's true."

MAN...David Cay Johnston is SAVAGE....

FakeNoose

(41,634 posts)
24. Of all people, Johnston knows how lawsuit-crazy Chump is
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:29 PM
May 2019

Chump threatens everybody with lawsuits but then he backs off a lot too. Especially when he realizes he can't win, or when his lawyers say the defendant would reveal too much in court. DCJ has been following Chump for over 35 years, and he's seen it all.

He's badass!

yonder

(10,293 posts)
27. And he does his homework.
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:31 PM
May 2019

leftyladyfrommo

(20,005 posts)
7. Cocaine and young girls for wealthy perverts.
Wed May 8, 2019, 01:09 PM
May 2019

Which is what he is.

He is just a huge PERVERT. and slimy as hell.

TalenaGor

(1,219 posts)
8. hookers & blow
Wed May 8, 2019, 01:12 PM
May 2019
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
9. Was not there a story about Trump's
Wed May 8, 2019, 01:16 PM
May 2019

involvement in Drug trafficking during the Cohen hearings?

Eliot Rosewater

(34,285 posts)
20. It doesnt matter, his base will support him when he refuses to leave WH when he loses
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:17 PM
May 2019

election and then we will have to fight a civil war I guess.

mgardener

(2,360 posts)
11. Here is the article about Trump's involvement with a known drug trafficker.
Wed May 8, 2019, 01:29 PM
May 2019

Texin

(2,851 posts)
12. I believe he may very well have laundered Wexelbaum's trafficking through his casinos for him.
Wed May 8, 2019, 01:45 PM
May 2019

Or through some of his real estate properties, and hotel(s).

groundloop

(13,849 posts)
17. That certainly makes sense.... plus Tiny had motive (he was dead ass BROKE)
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:13 PM
May 2019
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
14. And that's how he knows about drugs coming
Wed May 8, 2019, 01:54 PM
May 2019

Across the southern border. Circle closed

dlk

(13,247 posts)
15. With His Ever Present Sniffing, It Appears Trump Has Done More than Traffic in Cocaine
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:04 PM
May 2019

smb

(3,598 posts)
18. Getting Cocaine Off The Streets, One Gram At A Time nt
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:13 PM
May 2019

Desert_Leslie

(131 posts)
16. Bravo, Mr. Johnston
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:11 PM
May 2019

Bravo to Mr. Johnston!

Eliot Rosewater

(34,285 posts)
19. Tip-iceberg
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:16 PM
May 2019

WAY WAY worse stuff than this

renate

(13,776 posts)
22. whoa Nellie!
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:19 PM
May 2019

I can't believe we're in a place where we can read something like that and go "Wow! ... well, yeah, that computes" about the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!

David Cay Johnston is a brave, brave man. Bless him.

ProudProgressiveNow

(6,189 posts)
23. KR NT
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:19 PM
May 2019

renate

(13,776 posts)
25. but if it were from cocaine and not from anything potentially traceable, why would he declare it?
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:30 PM
May 2019

I mean, I'm loving this train of thought, and I certainly trust David Cay Johnston, but I'm just curious. Wouldn't it be super easy to just stash it somewhere and not include anything about it on his income tax returns?

ScratchCat

(2,740 posts)
28. I agree
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:37 PM
May 2019

But the "classic" way to clean up dirty money is to include it with legitimate income and pay taxes. Low-level dealers do it through night clubs, car washes, tattoo shops, etc.. cash businesses. Here, Trump could be doing it by including it as interest income. Its much "safer" to declare the money as income and pay taxes, rather than have tens of millions of dollars somewhere that you can't explain.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
26. No. I'd believe a lot about Trump, but not that.
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:31 PM
May 2019

He's never had a drink in his life (his brother died either accident or suicide, I forget, but as a result of long term alcoholism). Trump has never had anything to do with booze or drugs.

People, please be a LITTLE selective about what you'll believe. People seem to be impressed that he dares Trump to sue him over what he says in that article, but he does NOT claim that Trump made money from cocaine trafficking. He says, "the only logical explanation for his conduct is that Donald was in the cocaine trafficking business with Joe Wexelbaum." That seems like he might be saying that, but he's not. He was careful not to say affirmatively that he was claiming that Trump did that. What he said is not libel or slander. It's wondering out loud is all.

Notice that there is zero evidence of Trump being involved in cocaine trafficking. None. Zippo. But the article has a catchy title and I'm sure got a lot of clicks.

INdemo

(7,024 posts)
30. I disagree about the drugs.
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:39 PM
May 2019

During the campaign there were times his speech was slurred and when the TV camera had close ups one could see his pupils were the size of silver dollars..a definite sign of coke use

Yonnie3

(19,458 posts)
31. Locking after a review by Forum Hosts
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:39 PM
May 2019

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