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Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:18 PM May 2019

Cuba forced into rationing as US sanctions and Venezuela crisis bite

Source: Guardian


Commerce minister announces limits on purchases of staples such as chicken, eggs, rice, beans and soap
Fri 10 May 2019 22.06 EDT

The Cuban government has announced that it is launching widespread rationing of chicken, eggs, rice, beans, soap and other basic products in the face of a grave economic crisis.

Betsy Díaz Velázquez, the commerce minister, told the state-run Cuban News Agency that various forms of rationing would be employed in order to deal with shortages of staple foods. She blamed the hardening of the US trade embargo by the Trump administration.

Economists give equal or greater blame to a plunge in aid from Venezuela, where the collapse of the state-run oil company has led to a nearly two-thirds cut in shipments of subsidised fuel that Cuba used for power and to earn hard currency on the open market.

“We’re calling for calm,” Díaz said, adding that Cubans should feel reassured that at least cooking oil would be in ample supply. “It’s not a product that will be absent from the market in any way.”



Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/11/cuba-forced-into-rationing-as-us-sanctions-and-venezuela-crisis-bite

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Cuba forced into rationing as US sanctions and Venezuela crisis bite (Original Post) Judi Lynn May 2019 OP
China and Russia will hopefully help. Iliyah May 2019 #1
Cuba is the main reason why Venezuela is in chaos Perseus May 2019 #3
Your facts mean nothing here!!! Some will go around their elbow to find a way to blame the US oldsoftie May 2019 #19
History must be read in its entirety. Kurt V. May 2019 #27
I feel so sorry for the Cuban people. They were so happy and sinkingfeeling May 2019 #2
Where do you get that from? Cuban people are hungry, they don't have anything Perseus May 2019 #4
Do you not realize that Raul Castro left the Presidency over a year ago? groundloop May 2019 #7
Doesn't he still rule behind the scenes? Polybius May 2019 #23
"Rule?" You would do yourself a world of good to start researching Cuba history.n/t Judi Lynn May 2019 #24
I got 'that' from personal experiences. Eating with Cuban families, talking to people sinkingfeeling May 2019 #10
Observations from those who've seen themselves, Hortensis May 2019 #25
Might one ask where you get your information from, sir? Ghost Dog May 2019 #29
Just curious, were you in Cuba for a specific occasion or just taking a tour? groundloop May 2019 #5
I visited Syria 8 years ago and also had a wonderful experience... brooklynite May 2019 #35
By the way, as a tourist you are taken to a different side of the island Perseus May 2019 #6
When's the last time you were there? That flies in the face of my experience. groundloop May 2019 #8
Of course, those "views" used to be widely reported, Hortensis May 2019 #26
Wrong. I was on every side of the island. sinkingfeeling May 2019 #9
Wrong I was there last week....I left on the 4th Historic NY May 2019 #12
My experience and that of others doesn't match your claim Vogon_Glory May 2019 #28
I just got back from there, things are tough.... Historic NY May 2019 #11
I'm hoping other countries aren't in on the embargo, we were well on the road to normalizing yaesu May 2019 #13
+1 Historic NY May 2019 #14
It amazes me how many here side with Putin on Venezuela ripcord May 2019 #15
Who's siding with Putin???? In case you missed it this discussion is about Cuba groundloop May 2019 #16
Sure Cuba proping up Maduro has nothing to do with Putin ripcord May 2019 #17
So we're supposed to say nothing while someone posts inaccurate information? groundloop May 2019 #18
The social-psychology of 'blame Putin' is discussed here: Ghost Dog May 2019 #30
And the same who have gone nuts for 2 yrs about Putin & Trump. oldsoftie May 2019 #20
I think for some it's about hungry people Bradical79 May 2019 #21
What about the Venezuelan people? ripcord May 2019 #22
Maduro was elected to the Venezuelan congress in open and unhackable national elections Ghost Dog May 2019 #31
"Maduro was elected to the Venezuelan congress in open.." You mean he cheated and jailed... EX500rider May 2019 #33
Cheated and jailed? The opposition parties couldn't agree on a 'unity candidate' Ghost Dog May 2019 #37
Wasn't just the one guy. EX500rider May 2019 #39
People with judicial proceedings for alleged crimes either pending, in process or completed... Ghost Dog May 2019 #41
I bet Trump disqualifying all the front runner Dem's due to "alleged crimes" would be a bad thing.. EX500rider May 2019 #42
All crimes are 'alleged' until judicial proceedings have reached a conclusion, Ghost Dog May 2019 #43
And it just a surprising coincidence that all Maduro's opponents get charged with something..lol EX500rider May 2019 #44
Been to Cuba... a few questions... Fix The Stupid May 2019 #32
"how can they not have ample supply of fruits and vegetables" brooklynite May 2019 #36
That explains food deserts in the US... LanternWaste May 2019 #45
No it doesn't brooklynite May 2019 #46
You refer to the food on offer at the resorts? Ghost Dog May 2019 #38
That's a good article...answered some questions. Thanks n/t Fix The Stupid May 2019 #40
And *why* did the state-run oil company collapse? Blue_Tires May 2019 #34

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
1. China and Russia will hopefully help.
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:24 PM
May 2019

t-rump need to keep monies for himself and steal majority of the USA's money, then lose it.

Cuba will be ok. Venezuela, no, and they have not been for many years. Putin told t-rump to leave them alone.

sad.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
3. Cuba is the main reason why Venezuela is in chaos
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:48 PM
May 2019

Not sure what you are talking about and where your information comes from, Cuba has been sucking the money and the oil that belongs to the Venezuelan people.

Not sure if you know this, but Cuba has no oil that would permit them to become oil exporters, guess what? Chavez began GIVING oil to Cuba and Cuba became an oil exporter, the Venezuelan people were paying for that, and who do you think pocketed the money? The Castro family and their minions, the Cuban people continued to struggle, Cuba is also a kleptocracy, which is exactly what Venezuela is now, thanks to the Castro and the imbecile Chavez who was coached by Fidel Castro to later have been removed to place Maduro, an inept Colombian who completed his high school in Cuba as president. Maduro is nothing but a puppet of the Castro, the same as trump is a puppet of Putin.

These fantasies that Cuba suffers because the USA did this and that? The Cuban people have never stopped suffering since Fidel Castro took over. My brother in law visited Cuba many years ago, and he felt so sorry for the Cuban people he knew that he left all of his luggage behind, they had nothing while Fidel Castro, his brother and the minions of the revolution lived like kings.

Believe it or not, the buffoon is not pocketing any money from Venezuela, but that is exactly what Putin wants.

My apologies if I sound stern in my response, but the reality is another, I know, I have family and friends who live in Venezuela, a USA intervention is needed, otherwise Russia, Putin, will take over and the long term repercussions to the USA are very bad.

sinkingfeeling

(51,444 posts)
2. I feel so sorry for the Cuban people. They were so happy and
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:31 PM
May 2019

gracious a year ago. Hell, the Cuban army, setting up for a celebration at Che's memorial even played American rock and roll over the PA system because we were there. Our Cuban guides could hardly believe it.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
4. Where do you get that from? Cuban people are hungry, they don't have anything
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:04 PM
May 2019

The Castro regime are the only ones in the island who live like kings...Where does this information that Cuban people are happy, which actually may be in part true because they don't believe anymore they can have a better life, they have resigned to live in poverty and see their leaders as kings.

Its a fantasy to think the Cuban people are doing well...All the money they have been receiving from Venezuela has gone to the Castros, not to the people. Buildings are falling, they have not even been painted since Castro took over...

In case you have never heard "Buenavista Social Club" I urge you to find it and see the video, you will have a glimpse of how Cubans live. An American guitarist and producer by the name of Ry Cooder went to Cuba and found these musicians who had been prohibited to export their music by the Castro regime, Ry Cooder assembled them into a recording studio and the music they produced, in one take by the way, is phenomenal, just fantastic. The CDs became so popular around the World that Cooder was able to bring them to Carnegie Hall. While Inbrahim Ferrer was walking the streets of New York you can hear him say, almost crying, "I didn't know this was so great, how nice the people are, that is not what we were told at home"...It is not verbatim, but the context is the same.

This fantasy that Cuba, Venezuela should be left alone and Raul Castro, Maduro should be left in power is wrong, it must stop, the people are suffering, they are hungry, many are eating from the garbage, they don't have medicines, they are dying, they are being killed by the "Colectivos" and the military. Just because we don't like the buffoon we don't have to go against everything that the people who work at the administration are trying to do, I don't like any of them, but one has to recognize when they are doing something right, and for the sake of the hemisphere, they need to oust Maduro, the Cubans, the Russians and the bunch of terrorist who now live in Venezuela.

Did you know that Venezuela is one of the most violent countries in the World?

sinkingfeeling

(51,444 posts)
10. I got 'that' from personal experiences. Eating with Cuban families, talking to people
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:50 PM
May 2019

on the streets, and visiting schools and child care centers. Also, Cuba ranks number 22, world wide, in providing daily food energy intake per capita. That places them behind the US and mostly European countries. And Cuba has a lower rate of child (0-6 years) morality than the USA and longer life expectancy.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
5. Just curious, were you in Cuba for a specific occasion or just taking a tour?
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:05 PM
May 2019

I visited a bit over a month ago and had a wonderful experience.

Notwithstanding a previous post by someone who seems to have an ax to grind, I believe that the Cuban government is making progress towards improvement. They've passed a new constitution which include 'innocent until proven guilty' safeguards, a term limit on the President (who, by the way, is not a Castro anymore), plus they're allowing more and more private enterprise.

It's sad for the Cuban people to have to suffer more, partly because of tRumps tightening restrictions. Everyone I met there was very friendly to us.

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
35. I visited Syria 8 years ago and also had a wonderful experience...
Mon May 13, 2019, 01:18 PM
May 2019

Doesn't mean I bought into the notion that there was abundant love for Bashir Assad.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
6. By the way, as a tourist you are taken to a different side of the island
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:05 PM
May 2019

You are not able to run around the island.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
8. When's the last time you were there? That flies in the face of my experience.
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:18 PM
May 2019

I chose to stick to guided tours because of my ignorance of Spanish, but I talked to several other people who went off on their own and had a great time. They were not restricted in any way as to where they could go, whom they could talk to, etc.

Your views sound eerily similar to right wingers I know.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. Of course, those "views" used to be widely reported,
Sun May 12, 2019, 06:58 AM
May 2019

and also of course anti-"commie" RW/Bircher types and wealthy Cuban exiles were behind it. I remember reading as a child tabloid headlines on newsstands of things like Castro personally raping women.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
12. Wrong I was there last week....I left on the 4th
Sat May 11, 2019, 01:36 AM
May 2019

we hired via an agency a guide who was a teacher in Matanzos and he hired a driver. I was in Havana and walked right through the ghetto areas. I went to a military base and even saw the Russian & NK embassies. The people are hopeful, we paid our people directly in CuC's. I will go back

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
28. My experience and that of others doesn't match your claim
Sun May 12, 2019, 10:49 AM
May 2019

Most tourists have a LOT of freedom of movement. The idea that tourists are corralled and restricted the way visitors were in the bad old days in the USSR is right-Wing bunkum. If you’re trying to pitch for positive regime change, you do your cause harm by circulating easily-disproved piffle.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
11. I just got back from there, things are tough....
Sat May 11, 2019, 01:10 AM
May 2019

as it is they don't have big supermarkets. Trump is certainly not winning minds and influencing the people.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
13. I'm hoping other countries aren't in on the embargo, we were well on the road to normalizing
Sat May 11, 2019, 02:19 AM
May 2019

relations until the orange nazi f'ed things up.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
16. Who's siding with Putin???? In case you missed it this discussion is about Cuba
Sat May 11, 2019, 10:39 AM
May 2019

One member has made a few posts about Cuba and several of us who have actually visited Cuba recently have shared our experiences which contradict those claims. I don't see anything posted about Putin or Venezuela.

oldsoftie

(12,523 posts)
20. And the same who have gone nuts for 2 yrs about Putin & Trump.
Sat May 11, 2019, 02:57 PM
May 2019

Yet the russians are "good" for the Venezuelans.
Cuba=Russia. They are hinged together, although russia can no longer afford to support Cuba like in the past.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
21. I think for some it's about hungry people
Sat May 11, 2019, 04:03 PM
May 2019

China and Russia set themselves up as allies, so it's on them to ease the burden. Yes, there are some who only care about the perception of Communism, and/or taking dowm Capitalist America regardless. I think it's unfair to label everyone as bad actors though when it comes to concerns about hungry people.

ripcord

(5,325 posts)
22. What about the Venezuelan people?
Sat May 11, 2019, 06:26 PM
May 2019

They are starving because of Cuba actively working to keep Maduro in the office he stole. The Cubans aren't even propping up Maduro for idealogical reasons but because they benefit financially. The Cubans line is that the Venezuelan people can starve as long as their deals with Maduro stay in place.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
31. Maduro was elected to the Venezuelan congress in open and unhackable national elections
Mon May 13, 2019, 12:57 PM
May 2019

in which most of the many, divided 'opposition' parties failed to present candidates.

The señorito Guaidó has never run in national congressional nor presidential elections. He was elected in local elections in the province or region or state of Vargas to the national assembly, which is a second-tier assembly in which Venezuela's regions are represented. He was then appointed by members of that assembly to be their chairperson or speaker.

EX500rider

(10,835 posts)
33. "Maduro was elected to the Venezuelan congress in open.." You mean he cheated and jailed...
Mon May 13, 2019, 01:13 PM
May 2019

....the opposition?

Moved fwd the election? Check

The original electoral date was scheduled for December 2018 but was subsequently pulled ahead to 22 April before being pushed back to 20 May.

Disqualified or arrested the opposition? Check

The majority of popular leaders of the MUD and other members of the opposition could not apply for the elections because of administrative and legal procedures and were disqualified from participating in the presidential elections by the government.

Vote buying?
Check

Reports of vote buying were also prevalent during the presidential campaigning. Venezuelans suffering from hunger were pressured to vote for Maduro, with the government bribing potential supporters with food. Maduro promised rewards for citizens who scanned their Carnet de la Patria at the voting booth, which would allow the government to monitor the political party of their citizens and whether or not they had voted.

Creepy Carnet de la Patria? Check

A digital ID based on China's Social Credit System. The card allows the government to monitor citizen behavior such as voting history.


Medical care and voter fraud? Check

Mission Barrio Adentro was a program established by Chávez to bring medical care to poor neighborhoods; it was staffed by Cubans that were sent to Venezuela in exchange for petroleum. The New York Times interviewed sixteen Cuban medical professionals in 2019 who had worked for Barrio Adentro prior to the election; all sixteen revealed that they were required to participate in voting fraud. Some of the Cubans said that "command centers" for elections were placed near clinics to facilitate "dispatching doctors to pressure residents". Some tactics reported by the Cubans were unrelated to their profession: they were given counterfeit cards to vote even though they were not eligible voters, they witnessed vote tampering when officials opening ballot boxes and destroyed ballots, and they were told to instruct easily manipulated elderly patients in how to vote.

Bad conduct? Check

The electoral conduct has been described as being fraudulent, with the call for an election by the pro-government Constituent National Assembly being declared unconstitutional in the first place, especially when the body moved the election date ahead from December to April. The National Electoral Council (CNE), which is charged with overseeing elections in Venezuela, is also controlled by Maduro sympathizers. The Venezuelan government has also been accused of excluding opposition candidates, handpicking candidates, voter intimidation, vote buying, and offering food to those who vote for President Maduro. No recognized electoral observers were reported to be present for the elections.

International condemnation? Check

United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein noted that his office had concerns that reports of extrajudicial killings cast doubts on fairness, stating "this context does not in any way fulfill minimal conditions for free and credible elections".

The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (IACHR) published a document stating that the process did not meet international standards, that the CNE electoral body was biased and that the "hurried announcement ... has seriously affected the warranty of the universal vote for the new voters and Venezuelans abroad", concluding that the election would not meet "the minimal conditions needed for the realization of free, fair and reliable elections in Venezuela".

The governments of Argentina, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, France, Jamaica, Panama, Paraguay, Spain, the United States and Uruguay directly criticized the electoral process in various ways, condemning the disqualification and imprisonment of MUD individuals, the lack of advanced notice for the election date and the bias of electoral bodies, describing such actions by the Venezuelan government antidemocratic. Remaining member governments representing countries from the Lima Group, including Brazil, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Mexico, Peru, and Saint Lucia, denounced the elections in a joint statement through declarations made by the organization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_election

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
37. Cheated and jailed? The opposition parties couldn't agree on a 'unity candidate'
Mon May 13, 2019, 01:34 PM
May 2019

so many decided to boycot the election. Hopeful charismatic opposition 'leader' Leopoldo López was found guilty of incitement to violence in demonstrations where some 130 people died, was disqualified from running as a candidate and placed under house arrest at his luxury home, from which he was recently helped to escape to seek refuge at the luxury home of the Spanish Ambassador in Caracas, unwilling, apparently, to brave the streets of his home city, never mind the rest of the country.

EX500rider

(10,835 posts)
39. Wasn't just the one guy.
Mon May 13, 2019, 01:45 PM
May 2019
Disqualifications
The majority of popular leaders of the MUD and other members of the opposition could not apply for the elections because of administrative and legal procedures and were disqualified from participating in the presidential elections by the government. This included Henrique Capriles (candidate in the 2012 and 2013 elections), Leopoldo López (sentenced to almost 14 years of prison during the 2014 protests), Antonio Ledezma (arrested in 2015 and later placed under house arrest), Freddy Guevara (whose parliamentary immunity was removed and fled to the residence of the Chilean ambassador), and David Smolansky (currently in exile), as well as María Corina Machado and Miguel Rodríguez Torres, former defense minister and dissident chavista, also incarcerated.[55] On 5 April 2017, the Comptroller General of Venezuela notified Capriles that for 15 years, he would be prevented from participating in public office, due to his alleged misuse of public funds, a charge that Capriles denied.
 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
41. People with judicial proceedings for alleged crimes either pending, in process or completed...
Mon May 13, 2019, 01:58 PM
May 2019

Disqualified. I wish such were more often the case here in Spain!

EX500rider

(10,835 posts)
42. I bet Trump disqualifying all the front runner Dem's due to "alleged crimes" would be a bad thing..
Mon May 13, 2019, 02:37 PM
May 2019

....but Maduro doing it is a "good thing"?

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
43. All crimes are 'alleged' until judicial proceedings have reached a conclusion,
Mon May 13, 2019, 02:59 PM
May 2019

in any civilised country where rule of law prevails.

Have you looked into the merits of these cases?

Fix The Stupid

(947 posts)
32. Been to Cuba... a few questions...
Mon May 13, 2019, 01:12 PM
May 2019

I was there for a week back in 2016 - same week Mr. Obama went to Havana.

While the food was OK, not good, not bad, there was a serious shortage of fresh fruits and vegetables...

I can't understand this...this is a tropical paradise with sunshine 365 days a year....how can they not have ample supply of fruits and vegetables...what am I missing here?

We have a 1 acre plot with a garden - we routinely give food away every year - just too much coming out of our 40 x 40 garden...with a 4-5 month growing season in Canada.

I just don't get it. Part of me wanted to inquire about buying 100 acres there and growing food for the resorts...but there has to be a catch...maybe the land is bad for agriculture? I don't know...

to add - great people there - they were all super friendly and LOVE Canadians. I would go back again.

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
36. "how can they not have ample supply of fruits and vegetables"
Mon May 13, 2019, 01:20 PM
May 2019

Could a command economy have something to do with it?

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
46. No it doesn't
Mon May 13, 2019, 03:15 PM
May 2019

The Government subsidizes products but doesn't "order" what to grow and where to sell it.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
38. You refer to the food on offer at the resorts?
Mon May 13, 2019, 01:44 PM
May 2019

Did you check out the markets where Cubans buy their food?

This article explains what has been happening to Cuba's food supply circumstances over the years:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/28/organic-or-starve-can-cubas-new-farming-model-provide-food-security

and as this article explains:

... Today, small plots of land – no larger than 40 hectares – are being farmed without using pesticides and all products are sold locally. The government has supported citizens’ initiatives through land concessions and the creation of a body that coordinates and promotes the development of sustainable urban agriculture. This is how people have been able to feed themselves and the country managed to cut some of its dependence from imported goods. The transition hasn’t yet become definitive and the process has slowed down as the economy has improved, and we must also take into account that massive amounts of pesticides were used on many of the lands where crops are now grown organically. Nevertheless, a study that was published in Monthly Review magazine shows that from 1988 to 2007 the country increased the production of vegetables by 145 per cent, decreasing the use of pesticides by 72 per cent...


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