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Ramsey Barner

(349 posts)
Sun May 12, 2019, 04:17 PM May 2019

UAE Says Four Commercial Vessels Targeted by 'Sabotage Operations' Near Iran

Source: Haaretz

Four commercial vessels were targeted by "sabotage operations" near the territorial waters of the United Arab Emirates, the UAE foreign ministry said in a statement on Sunday, adding that there were no victims.

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A spokesperson for the U.S. Navy's Bahrain-based Fifth Fleet said they had no comment at this time when contacted by Reuters.

Tensions are running high in the region after the U.S. military sent forces, including an aircraft carrier, to the Middle East to counter what the White House says are "clear indications" of threats from Iran to its forces there.

Read more: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/uae-says-four-commercial-vessels-targeted-by-sabotage-1.7225373



Persian Gulf of Tonkin Incident?
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UAE Says Four Commercial Vessels Targeted by 'Sabotage Operations' Near Iran (Original Post) Ramsey Barner May 2019 OP
My thought exactly. paleotn May 2019 #1
UAE helping tRump with the escalation, not surprised at all. nt yaesu May 2019 #2
Somewhere, John Bolton is smiling. B Stieg May 2019 #3
Chaney the Dick is wispering in his ear. nt Hotler May 2019 #11
Can the yellow haired traitor send in americun troops without congressional approval? Maxheader May 2019 #4
This is one of the contradictions in the US Constitution. melm00se May 2019 #10
What Curiously Bad Timing! Roy Rolling May 2019 #5
Guess who reported this incident JunkYardDogg May 2019 #6
This Stinks. McKim May 2019 #7
You took the words off my keyboard WhiteTara May 2019 #8
Saudi Arabia: Oil tankers damaged in 'sabotage attack' nitpicker May 2019 #9
"Gulf of Tonkin" mentioned by knowledgeable people on Twitter muriel_volestrangler May 2019 #12

Maxheader

(4,371 posts)
4. Can the yellow haired traitor send in americun troops without congressional approval?
Sun May 12, 2019, 07:00 PM
May 2019

I fear the bastard may try...

melm00se

(4,989 posts)
10. This is one of the contradictions in the US Constitution.
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:22 AM
May 2019

Under Article II, section 2, the President is invested with the power as "Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States".

On the other hand, under Article 1, section 8, Congress has the power to declare war.

This creates an interesting question:

Does the President have command authority over the Armed Forces before a Congressional declaration or after? and if so why?

Looking back to the days that the Constitution was drafted, if Congress was not in session, it might take days or weeks to assemble Congress to declare war which creates an issue in the case of a sneak attack. This would require that the President be able to act without Congress' war declaration.

In today's environment (and arguably in the last 50+ years), this is not the case. Congress can convene and hold a declaration of war vote within hours.

As to why: A war cannot be commanded by Congressional committee. There must be a single command authority and that power has been invested in the President.

In an attempt to reconcile this issue, Congress passed the War Powers Act in 1973. This limited the President's power to as C in C of the Armed Forces and put it more under the control of Congress. It's passage was not without controversy. Congress passed it, the President vetoed it and Congress overrode the veto.

There is a significant Constitutional issue at play here (who has power over the military?) and neither side is really willing to submit this to Supreme Court adjudication. One side or both run the risk being neutered when it comes to the use of military depending upon how the Supreme Court might rule so they will sit on their hands until they can no longer do so.

Roy Rolling

(6,911 posts)
5. What Curiously Bad Timing!
Sun May 12, 2019, 07:51 PM
May 2019

So unusual for the UAE to have mysterious problems that can only caused by Iran.

Annnnnnndddddd, here it is.

JunkYardDogg

(873 posts)
6. Guess who reported this incident
Sun May 12, 2019, 08:29 PM
May 2019

The eyewitness to this violent attack was Nayirah al- Sabah, daughter of former Kuwaiti Ambassador to the U.S., she of the infamous Iraqis baby tossing testimony, which got the U.S. into the 1st Gulf War. Snark warning

This won't be the last phoney "incident" report. They will keep at it until they have a bogus reason to attack Iran.

Read this, it explains everything :

"Bolton Is Spinning Israeli ‘Intelligence’ to Push for War Against Iran"

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/bolton-is-spinning-israeli-intelligence-to-push-for-war-against-iran/

McKim

(2,412 posts)
7. This Stinks.
Sun May 12, 2019, 09:09 PM
May 2019

This stinks. I can’t wait to see how the Main Stream Media reports this or not. I am sickened and frightened. Trump so needs a war to get his supporters pumped up to watch it on TV and as a distraction from his present troubles.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
9. Saudi Arabia: Oil tankers damaged in 'sabotage attack'
Mon May 13, 2019, 03:06 AM
May 2019
https://www.dw.com/en/saudi-arabia-oil-tankers-damaged-in-sabotage-attack/a-48712009

Saudi Arabia: Oil tankers damaged in 'sabotage attack'

Saudi Arabia said on Monday that two of its oil tankers were targeted in a "sabotage attack" off the coast of the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

The announcement comes amid increased tensions in the region between the United States and Iran, although no details have been released on the nature of the sabotage or who may have been responsible.

Saudi Arabia's Energy Minister Khalid al-Falih said two of its oil tankers were the target of a "sabotage attack" off the coast of Fujairah.
He said that one tanker was on its way to the kingdom to be loaded with crude oil to be sent to the US.
There were no casualties and no oil was spilled, but the incident caused "significant damage" to the two ships.
UAE officials said earlier that an alleged sabotage attack targeted four boats.
(snip)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,295 posts)
12. "Gulf of Tonkin" mentioned by knowledgeable people on Twitter
Mon May 13, 2019, 07:02 PM
May 2019

The port itself denied anything significant happened; others think charges just large enough to produce a visible hole for photographs, without doing any notable damage, were used on a couple of ships. They suspect Saudi operatives. See this post with many tweets: https://www.balloon-juice.com/2019/05/13/this-business-will-get-out-of-control-it-will-get-out-of-control-and-well-be-lucky-to-live-through-it-tanker-attack-rashomon-edition/

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