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turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
Sat May 18, 2019, 12:04 AM May 2019

Boeing says it has corrected simulator software of 737 MAX jets

Source: Reuters

Business News
May 17, 2019 / 9:51 PM / Updated 2 hours ago

(Reuters) - Boeing Co has made corrections to simulator software that mimics the flying experience of its 737 MAX jets, which were involved in two fatal crashes, and the company has provided additional information to device operators, a spokesman said on Friday.

The spokesman, Gordon Johndroe, said the changes will ensure that the simulator experience is representative across different flight conditions and will improve the simulation of force loads on the manual trim wheel that helps control the airplane.

The comments came after the New York Times on Friday reported that Boeing recently discovered that the flight simulators airlines use to train pilots could not adequately replicate conditions that played a role in the 737 MAX crashes.

“Boeing is working closely with the device manufacturers and regulators on these changes and improvements, and to ensure that customer training is not disrupted,” Johndroe said.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethiopia-airplane-boeing/boeing-says-it-has-corrected-simulator-software-of-737-max-jets-idUSKCN1SO01T

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Boeing says it has corrected simulator software of 737 MAX jets (Original Post) turbinetree May 2019 OP
Yeah? No thank you. Keep your shitty jet away from me. dem4decades May 2019 #1
People will still avoid flying on the things.Boeing's looking at "rebranding" to conceal what it is. PSPS May 2019 #2
Who the fuck would trust Boeing after all that happened? nt SunSeeker May 2019 #3
Mission Accomplished! TheBlackAdder May 2019 #4
+1 dalton99a May 2019 #8
Kick I_have_had_enough May 2019 #22
Presto, and it's fixed. All aboard! nt oasis May 2019 #5
I always thought boeing was procedural heavy... Maxheader May 2019 #6
TEll ya what on every 737 flight for the next whistler162 May 2019 #7
I'm ready to get on one! Steelrolled May 2019 #9
If you fly Southwest, you probably will get on one IronLionZion May 2019 #12
Not likely. Only about 30 of their 700+ planes are MAX. Angleae May 2019 #14
They have the most of any airline IronLionZion May 2019 #17
But still less than 5% of their total fleet Angleae May 2019 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2019 #10
If I can possibly find a way to avoid doing so, I'll NEVER fly anywhere on a Boeing jet... EVER. NurseJackie May 2019 #11
Who wants to be on the Delphinus May 2019 #13
This should have been the first thing done after the first crash. rickford66 May 2019 #15
OK! Aussie105 May 2019 #16
+1 dalton99a May 2019 #18
Now they just need to update the flight manual. cvoogt May 2019 #19
I'll pass on the "Flying Pinto". Dawson Leery May 2019 #21
1,600-page flight manual Aussie105 May 2019 #23

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
6. I always thought boeing was procedural heavy...
Sat May 18, 2019, 09:14 AM
May 2019

Had no idea how heavy until I worked for other aircraft corps...sikorski, airheadbus, cessna..

No comparison..and that's just the structural side..everything else, flight safety..systems etc.
were just as regulated...And the aircraft longevity and safety records, were testimony all these "rules".
paid off.
To see all these issues...large and obvious misses..Simulator doesn't action into the problems of the downed
aircraft..? Geeze...

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
7. TEll ya what on every 737 flight for the next
Sat May 18, 2019, 09:30 AM
May 2019

6 months or so put the Board of Director's and the Heads of all departments on the flight. Then we might think it is fixed.

Angleae

(4,482 posts)
14. Not likely. Only about 30 of their 700+ planes are MAX.
Sat May 18, 2019, 10:09 PM
May 2019

That plane is too new for anyone to have a large inventory.

IronLionZion

(45,440 posts)
17. They have the most of any airline
Sun May 19, 2019, 09:20 AM
May 2019


https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47523468

Southwest famously uses only Boeing 737 planes, to reduce maintenance costs. You're right that they only have about 34 MAX currently. They have another 281 MAX planes ordered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries

Response to turbinetree (Original post)

rickford66

(5,523 posts)
15. This should have been the first thing done after the first crash.
Sun May 19, 2019, 01:39 AM
May 2019

Keeping the sim current to the fleet would be the standard procedure, unless the sim was built to a different tail number than the two that crashed. I've worked on sims for Boeing aircraft and there were always slight differences between tail numbers and each sim is built to the specs of a particular tail number. Occasionally when the airline crew questioned something on our sims, they would have someone check that particular tail number for confirmation. My ex-workmates and me figured they'd immediately be duplicating the crash scenarios. Actually, this whole problem should never have happened. If the data supplied to the sim manufacturer and the avionics had current s/w, an AOA malf would have exposed this before aircraft production. This could be a case where changes to the airdata computers were made on the aircraft without sim updates and testing. The FAA may have let this slide ?

Aussie105

(5,395 posts)
16. OK!
Sun May 19, 2019, 01:52 AM
May 2019

They fixed the simulators. Well done! I'd be happy to go up in one - a simulator, that is.

Now, fix the actual MAX planes already.

cvoogt

(949 posts)
19. Now they just need to update the flight manual.
Sun May 19, 2019, 10:23 AM
May 2019

.. which mentions MCAS only once (link). And their iPad training for pilots did not mention MCAS at all. Criminal negligence fueled by greed / fear of investors at the top of Boeing.

Aussie105

(5,395 posts)
23. 1,600-page flight manual
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:06 AM
May 2019

Flight manuals? Is this still a thing?

Unlike a workshop manual for a car, you can't just park for 10 or 20 minutes to look something up, something you don't understand how it works, but you know it's not working right . . .

Must be better things to do when you are driving a MAX plummeting out of control than to read a 1,600 page manual.

How about a onboard database, type in a search phrase, up comes info on what is does, how to switch it off if it stuffs up.
How hard can it be? Maybe WikiPedia can help? Google?

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