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Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 05:16 PM Jun 2019

Tennessee Volkswagen plant rejects unionization

Source: Associated Press


Updated 8:35 am CDT, Saturday, June 15, 2019

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. (AP) — Workers at Volkswagen's plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee, voted Friday night against forming a factory-wide union, handing a setback to the United Auto Workers' efforts to gain a foothold among foreign auto facilities in the South.

The vote of hourly workers began Wednesday and concluded Friday. Preliminary results show 833 employees voted against representation and 776 voted for it, the German automaker said in a statement. VW said about 93% of the roughly 1,700 eligible employees voted.

"Our employees have spoken," Frank Fischer, president and CEO of Volkswagen Chattanooga, said in the company statement.

He said results are pending certification by the National Labor Relations Board and legal review. Fischer said the company looks forward to "continuing our close cooperation with elected officials and business leaders in Tennessee."

Read more: https://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Tennessee-Volkswagen-plant-to-finish-union-vote-13995561.php

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Tennessee Volkswagen plant rejects unionization (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2019 OP
Stupidity runs deep in red states. LonePirate Jun 2019 #1
Especially in Tennessee. Left-over Jun 2019 #15
833 idiots. OrlandoDem2 Jun 2019 #2
Agreed Sherman A1 Jun 2019 #14
Perhaps Democrats shouldn't overestimate worker's comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #3
I would say this result is more reflective of the UAW's lackluster tactics than worker interest. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #6
Exactly. Odoreida Jun 2019 #17
This happened because it was the South. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #12
Similar results to 2014 vote. Supposedly, in 2014, VW & German unions encouraged unionization in Tn. Hoyt Jun 2019 #4
From what I understand, it wasn't an effective organizing campaign. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #5
as of 2010, German auto workers were paid twice as much as US auto workers yaesu Jun 2019 #7
What about auto workers in the north? former9thward Jun 2019 #20
It does not follow. LanternWaste Jun 2019 #23
And the mystery as to why the South continues to lag behind the rest of the country Aristus Jun 2019 #8
Education kimbutgar Jun 2019 #9
Yup Sherman A1 Jun 2019 #10
they lean right wing so when the church guy tells them to give to him instead of union JI7 Jun 2019 #11
home schooling, church schooling and the fear of all things unknown all for starters beachbum bob Jun 2019 #16
Again! The big $ and Repub governor is behind this. Duppers Jun 2019 #13
I never understand votes like this. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #18
One or two times per year, I have to go to training... VarryOn Jun 2019 #21
Interesting. But...that good company will fire you in an instant, if they can make a profit. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #22
The ongoing UAW corruption investigation probably didnt help MichMan Jun 2019 #19
See, This Is Why RobinA Jun 2019 #24

Turin_C3PO

(13,964 posts)
12. This happened because it was the South.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 09:17 PM
Jun 2019

An area of historic anti-unionism. I wouldn’t take away anything more than that from this episode.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Similar results to 2014 vote. Supposedly, in 2014, VW & German unions encouraged unionization in Tn.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 05:40 PM
Jun 2019

But, the Tennessee Governor and others were against it.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,326 posts)
5. From what I understand, it wasn't an effective organizing campaign.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 05:49 PM
Jun 2019

It didn't loop in community support or look for ways to leverage parts suppliers, and generally didn't escalate when the company put the pressure on. The UAW gambled that it would get a quick election, didn't, and didn't have a plan to sustain energy and momentum over the long haul.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
7. as of 2010, German auto workers were paid twice as much as US auto workers
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 05:59 PM
Jun 2019

workers in the south love their right to get paid less.

former9thward

(31,974 posts)
20. What about auto workers in the north?
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 06:30 PM
Jun 2019

They are part of "US auto workers". They must be getting half the Germans also.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
23. It does not follow.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 11:54 AM
Jun 2019

But I'd guess truthfulness would determine how quickly you seek out the easily accessible information you question.






Still haven't looked for it yet, eh?

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
8. And the mystery as to why the South continues to lag behind the rest of the country
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 07:03 PM
Jun 2019

is almost every conceivable index goes on......

JI7

(89,247 posts)
11. they lean right wing so when the church guy tells them to give to him instead of union
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 09:12 PM
Jun 2019

they do.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
16. home schooling, church schooling and the fear of all things unknown all for starters
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:33 AM
Jun 2019

we can safely say its in the South's blood

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
18. I never understand votes like this.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:33 PM
Jun 2019

Even if the company is currently being very fair or even generous, unionizing protects them in the future. I suppose they view it as disloyal to the company.

Wait until they're laid off right before they qualify for a pension, or after they get cancer. They'll see that loyalty often runs only one way.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
21. One or two times per year, I have to go to training...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:45 PM
Jun 2019

At my company onavoiding unionization. I am a midlevel manager at a trucking company with various fleets around the contry. They range anywhere from 10 drivers to 200 or so. There are always fleets being targeted by the Teamsters.

We've had numerous elections ovee the years and never had a union win. Usually the votes arent even close. The closest I remember waslike 60/40.

I'd say one of the biggest problems for the union is the election is stirred up my an FNG (f'ing new guy). Basically, a driver can get hired very easily. So, the Teamsters will send in 2 or 3 guys to apply. Naturally, they get hired and within 2 or 3 months, they go to work, initiating the process. Many of our drivers have been with us for years, and they know the game. In most cases, management doesnt have to do much to defeat the union.

We pay our drivers well, and to be honest, we're good to them on everything else. Therefore, the drivers dont feel they need to insert a third party between themselves and management.

The companies that get unionized usually deserve it.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
22. Interesting. But...that good company will fire you in an instant, if they can make a profit.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:43 AM
Jun 2019

I'm retired now, but was an employee for decades. I went through several layoffs (I wasn't laid off), and saw it all in a somewhat sizable company.

Employees sometimes get to feeling about the company as if it were a family member. They are fairly loyal, even very loyal. The company is good and treats its employees well. Until it doesn't. Employees are employees. They exist to help the company make money. If a company can make a nickel by firing an employee, it will. The manager may feel bad about it. But feelings are worth what they cost.

I've seen companies fire people when they have cancer, just broke a hip, or whose spouse just got seriously ill. Layoffs are good times to get rid of baggage like people who will miss work because they have cancer. It's also a good time to get rid of the more highly paid workers. Of course, they get rid of dead weight, too, and properly so. But they use the layoffs to get rid of employees who are costing them too much, since they have a good reason.

Companies, in the end, aren't loyal to employees. They view the employee's reward for his loyalty and performance is his paycheck. Debt paid.

If a company is good to its employees, then it doesn't hurt anything, or change anything, to start a union. It's sad that they don't see that. Many will, in the end. When they're fired or laid off at 60 years old and can't get another job. And don't have insurance. Sad.

But I'm out of the rat race, now. Thank goodness.

MichMan

(11,908 posts)
19. The ongoing UAW corruption investigation probably didnt help
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:25 PM
Jun 2019

Several high ranking officials have already been convicted with more to come

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
24. See, This Is Why
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:06 PM
Jun 2019

I can't join many pundits in blaming Trump's election on the Democratic Party for not "addressing the problems of real people." Here's help for "real people" that doesn't require any political affiliation, doesn't come via any candidate, doesn't bring in any hot button identity issues, but they send the help packing anyway. Hopeless. At least it was close.

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