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Jose Garcia

(2,551 posts)
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:42 PM Jul 2019

Iran humiliated as 'five ships FAIL to seize British oil tanker in Persian Gulf standoff'

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Omaha Steve (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: UK Expresd

IRANIAN ships have failed to hijack a UK oil tanker in the Persian Gulf in a huge blow to Tehran on Thursday, according to reports.

According to Sky News the ships, thought to be Iranian, attempted to seize the British tanker as it skirted close to Iranian waters. The ship was ordered to change course before the alleged Revolutionary Guard ships tried to seize the tanker. The Royal Navy frigate, HMS Montrose had been escorting the ship.

When the Iranian boats demanded that it changed its course, the frigate turned its guns on them and issued a warning, according to reports. 

Upon issuing the warning, the Iranian ships retreated.

Read more: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/1151881/Iran-news-latest-update-World-War-3-khamenei-Middle-east-UK-oil-tanker-persian-gulf-Trump/amp

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Iran humiliated as 'five ships FAIL to seize British oil tanker in Persian Gulf standoff' (Original Post) Jose Garcia Jul 2019 OP
"thought to be Iranian"... "alleged Revolutionary Guard" ck4829 Jul 2019 #1
I know but the odds are it actually was them because the truth is the people in charge in Iran cstanleytech Jul 2019 #2
It's just convenient we had a "surveillance aircraft" overhead to record the whole thing too ck4829 Jul 2019 #5
Given the potential for conflict in the region surveillance craft should automatically be assumed cstanleytech Jul 2019 #8
You are absolutely right, except that.... reACTIONary Jul 2019 #15
I know those ones are not cheap but I am referring to Iran as well as other powers in cstanleytech Jul 2019 #21
True (nt) reACTIONary Jul 2019 #26
The Global Hawk is the Cadillac of drones though Massacure Jul 2019 #24
No doubt (nt) reACTIONary Jul 2019 #27
We have surveillance over the entire area at all times. Its 2019. Not that hard. oldsoftie Jul 2019 #9
Are you kidding... reACTIONary Jul 2019 #12
Every square inch of those waters is under surveillance 24/7 hack89 Jul 2019 #13
So, Iran no longer has saidsimplesimon Jul 2019 #3
The Iranians likely tried to seize it in retaliation DetroitLegalBeagle Jul 2019 #11
"trusted sources? " keithbvadu2 Jul 2019 #18
I smell a rat. liberalmuse Jul 2019 #4
Whoever they are the are damned lucky ripcord Jul 2019 #6
Nobody was going to fire on anybody ck4829 Jul 2019 #7
So you are saying the Brits set this up at Trump's orders? ripcord Jul 2019 #10
Maybe it wasn't the Brits ck4829 Jul 2019 #14
The Iranians run a fleet of ... reACTIONary Jul 2019 #16
Given the area there are not many powers in the region who would try this but at the top of the list cstanleytech Jul 2019 #22
The Daily Express is a right-wing tabloid with a "mixed" record for factual reporting. Eugene Jul 2019 #17
+1 I wonder why anyone here would post the daily express? bronxiteforever Jul 2019 #20
Iran basically announced that they would do this... reACTIONary Jul 2019 #19
remember UK seized ship at US behest ... DT Admin still driving rising tensions w/Iran cloudythescribbler Jul 2019 #23
+1 well said (nt) mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #25
I don't disagree.... reACTIONary Jul 2019 #30
Color me skeptical jpak Jul 2019 #28
Skeptical of what exactly? reACTIONary Jul 2019 #31
Link to The Guardian nitpicker Jul 2019 #29
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve Jul 2019 #32

ck4829

(34,971 posts)
1. "thought to be Iranian"... "alleged Revolutionary Guard"
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:46 PM
Jul 2019

Hmmm....

And I love the URL: "WORLD WAR 3", totally not sensationalist... at all.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
2. I know but the odds are it actually was them because the truth is the people in charge in Iran
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:48 PM
Jul 2019

are not much more stable than Donald Trump.

ck4829

(34,971 posts)
5. It's just convenient we had a "surveillance aircraft" overhead to record the whole thing too
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:53 PM
Jul 2019

Will wonders never cease?

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
8. Given the potential for conflict in the region surveillance craft should automatically be assumed
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:00 PM
Jul 2019

from all sides especially with drones as they are not exactly expensive to purchase and they are a hell of alot cheaper usually than a manned aircraft.
As for what happened I think it probably was someone with an ego the size of a small mountain that thought the tanker captain would roll over kind of like how Trump with his ego the size of a small moon thought Mexico would roll over and pay for the wall.

reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
15. You are absolutely right, except that....
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:21 PM
Jul 2019

.... the stones are not necessarily cheep. The global hawk that was recently shot down costs $220 million .

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
21. I know those ones are not cheap but I am referring to Iran as well as other powers in
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:31 PM
Jul 2019

the region and in a fix some of those powers like Iran could get by with some far cheaper drones for surveillance.

reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
26. True (nt)
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:43 AM
Jul 2019

Massacure

(7,497 posts)
24. The Global Hawk is the Cadillac of drones though
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:53 PM
Jul 2019

The United States as 360 Predators and 160 Reapers, and they only cost $4 million/$16 million respectively. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the military has a couple dozen of these stationed in the Middle East.

reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
27. No doubt (nt)
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:44 AM
Jul 2019

oldsoftie

(12,410 posts)
9. We have surveillance over the entire area at all times. Its 2019. Not that hard.
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:00 PM
Jul 2019

Several drones can stay on station for 24 hrs at a time, not to mention JSTARS, which can cover 100s of miles from one location.

reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
12. Are you kidding...
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:14 PM
Jul 2019

... this has got to be the most heavily surveilled waterway in the world! No coincidence, just standard operating procedure.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
13. Every square inch of those waters is under surveillance 24/7
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:15 PM
Jul 2019

Why do you think we have so many drones?

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
3. So, Iran no longer has
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:49 PM
Jul 2019

oil reserves? "thought to be Iranian" (OK that's proven?). What was the failed attempt, who reported it and can we verify via trusted sources?

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,904 posts)
11. The Iranians likely tried to seize it in retaliation
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:12 PM
Jul 2019

for the Iranian tanker the Brits seized last week.

keithbvadu2

(36,360 posts)
18. "trusted sources? "
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:36 PM
Jul 2019

Many of these type events/stories take 2 or 3 days to finally get an accurate version.

liberalmuse

(18,670 posts)
4. I smell a rat.
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:49 PM
Jul 2019

Sorry, will need to have it verified that this isn't Russian or US propaganda before I even begin to believe this really happened.

ripcord

(5,081 posts)
6. Whoever they are the are damned lucky
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:56 PM
Jul 2019

Trying to force the tanker to change course gave the frigate every right to open fire.

ck4829

(34,971 posts)
7. Nobody was going to fire on anybody
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:58 PM
Jul 2019

This sensationalist 'story' is just ridiculous, they aren't even trying anymore.

ripcord

(5,081 posts)
10. So you are saying the Brits set this up at Trump's orders?
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:09 PM
Jul 2019

Really?

ck4829

(34,971 posts)
14. Maybe it wasn't the Brits
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:16 PM
Jul 2019

"5 ships"

What were they really? 5 rowboats? 5 battleships? 5 rubber duckies?

Something's fishy in the Gulf of Tonkin... er, Persia.

reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
16. The Iranians run a fleet of ...
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:31 PM
Jul 2019

... small, fast, armed speed boats. It may be an exaggeration to call these ships, but they are armed and dangerous.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
22. Given the area there are not many powers in the region who would try this but at the top of the list
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:34 PM
Jul 2019

is Iran.
That aside I do not think it justification for any proposed reprisal given the fact that the boats retreated after being warned off.

Eugene

(61,592 posts)
17. The Daily Express is a right-wing tabloid with a "mixed" record for factual reporting.
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:34 PM
Jul 2019

That said, CNN reporting of this incident is available here:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/10/politics/iran-attempted-seize-british-tanker/index.html

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
20. +1 I wonder why anyone here would post the daily express?
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:45 PM
Jul 2019

Especially with their support of UKIP.

reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
19. Iran basically announced that they would do this...
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:43 PM
Jul 2019
Britain’s seizure of an Iranian oil tanker off Gibraltar last week will not be “unanswered”, Iran’s armed forces chief of staff, Major General Mohammad Bagheri, said on Tuesday, according to the semi-official Tasnim news agency.

“Capture of the Iranian oil tanker based on fabricated excuses ... will not be unanswered and when necessary Tehran will give appropriate answer,” Bagheri said.




https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a-iran-tanker/british-capture-of-iranian-tanker-wont-go-unanswered-officer-idUSKCN1U40HO

cloudythescribbler

(2,586 posts)
23. remember UK seized ship at US behest ... DT Admin still driving rising tensions w/Iran
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:08 PM
Jul 2019

the point here is to step back and look at the bigger picture

things were actually relatively stable -- not perfect, and Iran was doing lots of things US and NATO didn't like, but they WERE abiding by the nuclear accords by all credible observers, and they were NOT engaging in a policy of systematic provocation

then, for reasons of his own, including domestic politics and fulfilling a promise to his rabid core base, DT pulled out of Iran accord unilaterally, subsequently ramping up sanctions, including on 3d party countries & interests trading w/Iran.

it's no secret that powerful forces in the DT Admin (Bolton only most visible but don't forget close highly militaristic Saudi ties) are itching for war w/Iran, and have made no secret of it

so part of this policy of provocation was to seize an Iranian oil tanker. as for violating sanctions on Syria, everyone knows that Syria war is over for all practical purposes & Assad just finishing up/mopping up remaining pocket(s) of resistance. this is no time for EU countries to be seizing Iranian tankers while US trashing important Iran nuclear deal, and Iran now breaching uranium limit

so UK seizes tanker, but has to use EU sanctions as (more palatable) excuse. Iran retaliates, and UK responds w/threat of force. Iran seeking to assert itself while AVOIDING war, while UK doing US bidding (as w/Assange and Ecuador/UK) in provoking Iran by seizing oil tanker. Shame on UK admin, which is totally unpopular, and thus more dependent on US

those who are marching urging NO WAR ON IRAN happen to be right

those who suggested DT would somehow be less dangerous/imperialistic than HRC were just blowing smoke

our country's leadership is engaged in a policy of brinksmanship, and as in Iraq War, they have managed to rope UK into it

i will assume that UK military folk in this incident had little choice, but they sure as hell did NOT have to seize an oil tanker in this volatile situation. shame on UK for going along w/nutjobs occupying the US White House!

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
25. +1 well said (nt)
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:14 AM
Jul 2019

reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
30. I don't disagree....
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:23 AM
Jul 2019

.... however, there has been a good deal of conspiratorial innuendo and accusations concerning "false flag" operations and the like, in this thread and others related to these incidents.

I think it's a good idea to remember who we are dealing with and to be realistic and clear minded about what is going on in the world.

jpak

(41,741 posts)
28. Color me skeptical
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:46 AM
Jul 2019

reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
31. Skeptical of what exactly?
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:24 AM
Jul 2019

Omaha Steve

(99,055 posts)
32. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:25 AM
Jul 2019

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