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James48

(4,435 posts)
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 12:05 AM Oct 2019

How Trump's Defiance of Impeachment Probe Could Leave Federal Employees Criminally Liable

Source: GovExec.com

Federal employees being asked to disobey congressional mandates related to an impeachment inquiry into President Trump will have difficult decisions to make as they chart a path forward, legal experts say, but will have certain protections available to them.

The State Department on Tuesday refused to make U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland available for a scheduled deposition related to Trump’s interactions with Ukraine, and House Democrats now say they will issue a subpoena to demand his testimony. If the administration continues to block him and other employees from complying with Congress, it could put individuals in a precarious legal position. Pat Cipollone, counsel to the president, sent a letter to House leaders Tuesday afternoon informing Congress the administration will not comply with any element of the probe.

"President Trump and his administration reject your baseless, unconstitutional efforts to overturn the democratic process," Cipollone wrote. "Your unprecedented actions have left the president with no choice. In order to fulfill his duties to the American people, the Constitution, the executive branch and all future occupants of the Office of the Presidency, President Trump and his administration cannot participate in your partisan and unconstitutional inquiry under these circumstances."

As Congress continues to widen its net for documents and testimony, employees subject to conflicting demands have two options, legal experts told Government Executive. The first is to violate orders from management and give Congress what it wants, assuming protections under whistleblower law. A second possibility is to exercise federal employees’ statutory “right to disobey” orders that violate laws, rules or regulations.

Read more: https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2019/10/how-trumps-defiance-impeachment-probe-could-leave-federal-employees-criminally-liable/160461/



As a federal employee, you have an obligation to comply with the subpenoa, and a legal obligation - and a legal right- to disobey an illegal order from the President.

It’s a Constitutional crisis. We are here.
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How Trump's Defiance of Impeachment Probe Could Leave Federal Employees Criminally Liable (Original Post) James48 Oct 2019 OP
Sounds like we need a Govt shutdown/deposition party. Deb Oct 2019 #1
Pat Cipollone - legal deconstructor. dchill Oct 2019 #2
Can't remember who said it first, Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #3
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2019 #4
Well spoken Zorro Oct 2019 #5
Someone alerted on that post and it was removed. Yet three people applauded it. ????? Maraya1969 Oct 2019 #10
I always miss everything! 😢 Floyd R. Turbo Oct 2019 #11
Me too! Maraya1969 Oct 2019 #12
Exceptionally well said. MFGsunny Oct 2019 #7
welcome scarytomcat Oct 2019 #9
K&R calimary Oct 2019 #6
New statutes should be drafted when Dems regain the Senate pecosbob Oct 2019 #8
If it were me, I'd jump at the chance to disobey Trump and respond to a congressional subpoena to Nitram Oct 2019 #13

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
3. Can't remember who said it first,
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 02:04 AM
Oct 2019

But people have to decide if they want to be a witness or a defendant.

Response to James48 (Original post)

pecosbob

(7,537 posts)
8. New statutes should be drafted when Dems regain the Senate
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 10:27 AM
Oct 2019

requiring immediated dismissal for any government employee that refused to appear for a lawful subpeona. In addition, those that interfere in our electoral process have no place in government or government service...if I were made King for a day everyone in the FBI above coffee boy would be fired.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
13. If it were me, I'd jump at the chance to disobey Trump and respond to a congressional subpoena to
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 03:25 PM
Oct 2019

testify against him.

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