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pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 01:35 PM Oct 2019

Obama White House photographer suggests situation room photo of unfolding Al-Bagdadi raid staged.

Source: Newsweek

The chief official White House photographer for former Presidents Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama suggested the Trump administration was posing for Saturday's stern-faced Situation Room picture in the wake of a U.S. military raid that resulted in the death of a major ISIS figurehead.

Pete Souza, the former director of the White House Photography Office, called the timestamp of the Situation Room picture into question Sunday morning. Souza inferred that it's very unlikely President Donald Trump, Vice President Mike Pence and several top administration officials and generals were actively monitoring the raid on ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's compound when the photograph was taken Saturday in Washington.


Souza took the famous photograph of Obama and a shocked then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton intently watching the Seal Team 6 raid on the Abbottabad compound that killed al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in 2011.

"The raid, as reported, took place at 3:30PM Washington time. The photo, as shown in the camera IPTC data, was taken at '17:05:24,'" Souza remarked on Twitter Sunday. He was replying to a tweet from White House Director of Social Media and Assistant to the President, Dan Scavino Jr.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/obama-photographer-baghdadi-raid-trump-situation-room-suggested-staged-timestamp-golfing-1468012



According to a "Trump golf tracker," Trump was finishing up a golf game at 3:30, when the raid occurred.
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Obama White House photographer suggests situation room photo of unfolding Al-Bagdadi raid staged. (Original Post) pnwmom Oct 2019 OP
Oh we'll find out, that's for sure. YOHABLO Oct 2019 #1
Trump is famously squeamish EarlG Oct 2019 #2
Unless those people were Scarsdale Oct 2019 #5
I read the article you posted (thanks). That was a scene straight out of Bonfire of the Vanities Sugar Smack Oct 2019 #7
That was a great book! Ohiogal Oct 2019 #8
I love it, too. When I first read it, I thought "it's not for everyone, Sugar Smack Oct 2019 #21
Apparently Trump was golfing at the time of the raid. C_U_L8R Oct 2019 #3
According to Trumps reply to a question about his arrival..he said 5:00 (17:00). Photo at 17:05. usaf-vet Oct 2019 #4
Well, there goes the notion of Scarsdale Oct 2019 #6
Which Russian's Hand is at Far Left? nt YDogg Oct 2019 #11
Everything Trump is associated with is fake. Botany Oct 2019 #20
As to the red cables, my guess is it was from IT equipment that got unplugged when the owner left .. usaf-vet Oct 2019 #26
Bingo. Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2019 #33
Yeah, when I first saw the photo I wondered why the mess down the middle of the table Farmer-Rick Oct 2019 #27
Of course it is..... dawnie51 Oct 2019 #9
Of course it was Roy Rolling Oct 2019 #10
Is there anything that isn't staged? bitterross Oct 2019 #12
Media needs to VERIFY anything tRUMP says THEN SayItLoud Oct 2019 #13
I think any photographer . . . Richard D Oct 2019 #14
This is his 'image rehab' tour. louis-t Oct 2019 #15
Most of them are looking into the camera. 3catwoman3 Oct 2019 #16
Syria Is About 8 Hours Ahead DallasNE Oct 2019 #17
"I can see Russia from my house!" bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #18
No shit thegoose Oct 2019 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author LaurentiusJacobus Oct 2019 #22
Awesome! ArizonaLib Oct 2019 #32
Yep soon as I saw the generals face I knew it was staged n/t scardycat Oct 2019 #23
Plus everyone is looking at something different n/t scardycat Oct 2019 #24
Like everything he does it's a fraud. Pepsidog Oct 2019 #25
Remember the picture of the Obama situation room lynintenn Oct 2019 #28
The picture was staged but this has been corrected Gothmog Oct 2019 #29
Oh snap - LOL Iliyah Oct 2019 #30
What's up with the ridiculous tangle of Ethernet cables? truthisfreedom Oct 2019 #34
This reminds me of Malaria's staged 'gardening' photo. Talitha Oct 2019 #31
"Now watch this drive!" n/t cactusfractal Oct 2019 #35

EarlG

(21,949 posts)
2. Trump is famously squeamish
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 01:47 PM
Oct 2019
Donald Trump Shared a Hilarious Story About Not Wanting to Help a Dying Man

“I said, ‘Oh my God, that’s disgusting,’ and I turned away. I couldn’t—you know, he was right in front of me, and I turned away. I didn’t want to touch him.“


If Trump was given a choice between playing golf or watching people getting shot and exploded to death, I’m pretty sure I know which one he would choose.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
5. Unless those people were
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 01:59 PM
Oct 2019

democratic politicians, involved in his impeachment! THAT he would gleefully watch.

Sugar Smack

(18,748 posts)
7. I read the article you posted (thanks). That was a scene straight out of Bonfire of the Vanities
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 02:28 PM
Oct 2019

by Tom Wolfe: chapter 26, "Death New York Style". The very same utterances & reactions of the filthy rich crowd in the restaurant in which an equally rich old man has a heart attack and dies in front of them and a reporter dining with him. The headline the next day reads "Kindly Finish Dying Before Madame Tacaya Arrives". It was written in back 1987, back when we had satire.

Sugar Smack

(18,748 posts)
21. I love it, too. When I first read it, I thought "it's not for everyone,
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 04:08 PM
Oct 2019

a teeny bit over the top". I read it a few times since then because I've always had a taste for the absurd. But these are real people!

C_U_L8R

(45,002 posts)
3. Apparently Trump was golfing at the time of the raid.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 01:48 PM
Oct 2019

No one would be surprised to learn Trump is entirely full of shit.

usaf-vet

(6,186 posts)
4. According to Trumps reply to a question about his arrival..he said 5:00 (17:00). Photo at 17:05.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 01:54 PM
Oct 2019

This would explain the IT cable clutter in the room. The papers and clutter at the foreground in the photo. And the often remarked look of "I don't want to be here" on the 4-star Generals face. The OP started ~1.5 hours before the photo.

These can all be explained by a rushed photo with some participants either having left as the op started at 15:30 (1.5 hours before Trump arrived). The cluttered IT cables not attached to the IT equipment that was taken with those that left.


Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
6. Well, there goes the notion of
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 02:06 PM
Oct 2019

honorable military med. Are they all too spineless to stand up to this orange mistake and say "NO I will not go along with these lies any longer" Don't any of them put countryfirst any more? Were these two the only toadies who stuck around, waiting for shithead to finish golfing?

Botany

(70,508 posts)
20. Everything Trump is associated with is fake.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 04:02 PM
Oct 2019

Remember "the little boy with the lawn care business" mowing the White House grass?
That young man had really never cut grass in his life. Notice all the strips of grass that he
missed when mowing the lawn. You mow with 1/2 to 1/4 of the deck over lapping the area
you just mowed to keep from getting those un-mowed strips.

BTW Why is there a random unplugged red cord on the table

usaf-vet

(6,186 posts)
26. As to the red cables, my guess is it was from IT equipment that got unplugged when the owner left ..
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 04:42 PM
Oct 2019

.... before trump arrived ~ 1.5 hours after the OP started.

See my original post for more details

FYI I am retired from IT support and have seen many tables left in this order.

Probably attendees mumbling...... "I'm done get me out of here now! Let the IT staff clean up.

Farmer-Rick

(10,175 posts)
27. Yeah, when I first saw the photo I wondered why the mess down the middle of the table
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 04:44 PM
Oct 2019

That explains it. Those tables are designed to shut and hide that mess.The filthy rich don't like looking at their own messes.

If that photo had not been staged someone would be in deep shit for not hiding the mess.

dawnie51

(959 posts)
9. Of course it is.....
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 02:46 PM
Oct 2019

as is the whole misbegotten mess that is Dump. It's a reality TV show, and he's the star! He's counting on HUGE ratings for this episode. When it actually is a rerun of an Obama performance, and not nearly done as professionally

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
12. Is there anything that isn't staged?
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 02:58 PM
Oct 2019

One thing Trump IS good at is showmanship. Anything his office release is PR staging.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
13. Media needs to VERIFY anything tRUMP says THEN
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 03:06 PM
Oct 2019

Publish. When will they learn? Lies get front page retractions and corrections buried deep inside. Suggest establishing a 24 hour verify window. Then publish.

3catwoman3

(23,993 posts)
16. Most of them are looking into the camera.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 03:23 PM
Oct 2019
No one was looking toward the photographer in the President Obama picture.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
17. Syria Is About 8 Hours Ahead
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 03:32 PM
Oct 2019

So that means the raid happened a little before midnight local time. Good for the element of surprise but with higher risk.

Another look at the time had me thinking that Trump's "war room" would have been at the golf course.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

lynintenn

(646 posts)
28. Remember the picture of the Obama situation room
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 04:49 PM
Oct 2019

No one was sitting there in suits with ties and their eyes were on the screen.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
30. Oh snap - LOL
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 05:14 PM
Oct 2019

Also, the General in green, he was there in the famous Nancy P. photo with t-rump, and then he was looking down and very tense. Same here but he's looking like "oh for fuck sake".

truthisfreedom

(23,148 posts)
34. What's up with the ridiculous tangle of Ethernet cables?
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 04:46 AM
Oct 2019

Is this supposed to make them look more prepared and organized? It does it simply demonstrate the overall disarray and unpreparedness of this administration? And this room smells like KFC farts, no fucking doubt.

Talitha

(6,589 posts)
31. This reminds me of Malaria's staged 'gardening' photo.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 06:18 PM
Oct 2019

Except the only person Malaria humiliated was herself.

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