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brooklynite

(95,646 posts)
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:34 PM Oct 2019

House Democrat explains why he voted against the impeachment resolution

Source: CNN

Reps. Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey and Collin Peterson of Minnesota were the only two Democrats to vote against the impeachment resolution today.

In a statement, Van Drew said he voted against the resolution because he believes "this inquiry will further divide the country tearing it apart at the seams and will ultimately fail in the Senate."

Van Drew added that now that the impeachment inquiry is "moving forward" he will be "making a judgment call based on all the evidence presented by these investigations."




Read more: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-31-2019/index.html

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House Democrat explains why he voted against the impeachment resolution (Original Post) brooklynite Oct 2019 OP
He's right about it failing in the Senate. J_William_Ryan Oct 2019 #1
If the vote were held in the Senate today you would probably be right. totodeinhere Oct 2019 #12
I don't think so toto. For the most part the Senate republicans are going for broke on this, no still_one Oct 2019 #15
Agreed Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #22
Trump's drug deals with Senators will help flip the Senate blue. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #41
Apparently this is already happening - the dump pledging funds to the vulnerables. erronis Oct 2019 #58
There will not be twenty republican votes in the Senate.....I agree with you. joshdawg Oct 2019 #24
They are doing everything possible to save themselves in their primaries... lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #42
They will be going for broke with their vote on the record. LiberalFighter Oct 2019 #28
Basically most of those Republican senators are cowards. totodeinhere Oct 2019 #44
As trump is cornered DENVERPOPS Oct 2019 #48
I don't know... it's all changed so quickly. dawg day Oct 2019 #14
Yes he is probably right however that does not mean impeachment should not be pursued when the cstanleytech Oct 2019 #25
That's ok though. There has never been an impeached president running for re-election. brush Oct 2019 #36
That's bullshit!! Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #2
Nothing surprising there empedocles Oct 2019 #3
The subject of this impeachment is tearing the country apart Zambero Oct 2019 #4
That and all the crimes, and the coverups, and pretending he did nothing wrong, and.... Brainfodder Oct 2019 #23
Exactly PatSeg Oct 2019 #32
Exactly this. eom sprinkleeninow Oct 2019 #52
Trump is already tearing the country apart. patphil Oct 2019 #5
Please, you all keep forgetting DENVERPOPS Oct 2019 #35
Yes, they are definitely facilitating and supporting Trump's actions. patphil Oct 2019 #37
If the states DENVERPOPS Oct 2019 #47
They are co-conspirators in treason not_the_one Oct 2019 #59
Note that republicans SCVDem Oct 2019 #6
Pathetic. durablend Oct 2019 #7
Colin Peterson. No surprise there. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #8
Well, he goes to his grave with a single epitaph: "Coward." n/t Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 #9
it was very disheartening to see that not one Republican voted for the resolution. totodeinhere Oct 2019 #10
Van Drew: "Facts? We don't need no stinking facts!" The Blue Flower Oct 2019 #11
He voted to keep his job. BlueIdaho Oct 2019 #13
Hey, the country could burn to the ground durablend Oct 2019 #17
Patriotic Traildogbob Oct 2019 #19
I didn't say it was right... BlueIdaho Oct 2019 #27
No no, Traildogbob Oct 2019 #39
Much appreciated! BlueIdaho Oct 2019 #45
✌🏼️ Traildogbob Oct 2019 #46
You got that right on DENVERPOPS Oct 2019 #49
C'est la guerre. Mme. Defarge Oct 2019 #16
These are the two Democrats who voted 'no' on the impeachment inquiry resolution Gothmog Oct 2019 #18
You're talking to a beautiful girl at the bar on a Saturday night bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #20
DINO ALERT! DINO ALERT! Maxheader Oct 2019 #21
Good gosh man, SOMEONE MIGHT YELL!!!!!!!!!! durablend Oct 2019 #26
Pardon me while I choke on the bullshit and... TruckFump Oct 2019 #29
I don't care if it divides the country TheRealNorth Oct 2019 #30
If Reps. Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey and Collin Peterson of Minnesota... Sloumeau Oct 2019 #31
See post #53. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #57
I hope other Dems run against both of them LeftTurn3623 Oct 2019 #33
No Dem even slightly to the left of Colin Peterson could get elected in his district. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #53
Who said it had to be a more liberal Democrat? SharonClark Oct 2019 #60
Supporting the Constitution isn't very popular in Trump Country. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #61
Country is Linda Ed Oct 2019 #34
So if the country wants to find out if Trump is breaking the law ( and he is) .... scardycat Oct 2019 #38
Yes, resistance to fascism is tearing the country apart William Seger Oct 2019 #40
he will be "making a judgment call based on all the evidence presented by these investigations." Nitram Oct 2019 #43
Idiots WestIndianArchie Oct 2019 #50
So Van Drew doesn't care to uphold his oath to protect the Constitution? That's all I need to know. dem4decades Oct 2019 #51
I don't respect the "it will divide the country" argument. madaboutharry Oct 2019 #54
this isn't important. at all. Kurt V. Oct 2019 #55
Republicans are getting torn apart, Democrats seem pretty unfied. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2019 #56

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
12. If the vote were held in the Senate today you would probably be right.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:57 PM
Oct 2019

But by the time the vote happens, probably sometime early next year, things may have changed as more and more incriminating evidence emerges.

still_one

(92,776 posts)
15. I don't think so toto. For the most part the Senate republicans are going for broke on this, no
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:03 PM
Oct 2019

matter how damning the evidence is. There is no way I can see that we will get 20 republican votes in the Senate

However, it is what it is, and in the end it will be the court of public opinion that will decide this in 2020. Not whether he is impeached and removed


Miguelito Loveless

(4,520 posts)
22. Agreed
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:30 PM
Oct 2019

Backing Trump, no matter what he does, is the only way the GOP sees they can remain in power and stay out of jail. I imagine in the coming year we will get staff whistleblowers coming out to tell us that Trump agreed to fund raise for senators in exchange for their votes on impeachment.

joshdawg

(2,671 posts)
24. There will not be twenty republican votes in the Senate.....I agree with you.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:42 PM
Oct 2019

What will probably happen is that within an hour or two after this is handed over to the Senate for a vote, Moscow mitch will hold a "vote", and with little urging on his part, all fifty-three republican "Senators" will vote Not Guilty. None has a spine or any moral compass. None knows the difference between right and wrong. They are all complicit in the Orange Sphincter's treasonous activities.


Of course, this is only my prediction.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
42. They are doing everything possible to save themselves in their primaries...
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 04:25 PM
Oct 2019

…and get annihilated in the general election.

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
44. Basically most of those Republican senators are cowards.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 04:58 PM
Oct 2019

As long as they see more danger to their careers they will stick with him. But if public opinion turns enough and they realize that supporting him will cost them at the ballot box, then they will turn against him as a matter of political survival.

DENVERPOPS

(9,133 posts)
48. As trump is cornered
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:06 PM
Oct 2019

As Trump is cornered and has all the attention, the Republican Senators are continuing their under handed and corrupt legislation every single day, going totally un-noticed by everyone.

They will use Trump as a diversion as long as they possible can, diverting our attention from their progress in the shadows.

At the last minute, I suspect they will throw Trump and his spawn under the bus, install Pence (who in some ways is even worse), appoint a new VP. and roll merrily on their way with the same Republican Senators. They will con their followers with "Look, we took care of this jerk, but have a new direction and the people to do it"......All the voters that were not going to vote for Trump will run right back to the Republican Party insuring the trashing of us and the Democratic Party...........The COUP will be completed.
The Rich and the Corporations will have won........We will have a truly Fascist Tyranny.......

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
14. I don't know... it's all changed so quickly.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:01 PM
Oct 2019

Remember in September, everyone had glumly figured impeachment wouldn't happen.
We should never underestimate Trump's willingness to go on committing crimes. The hearing will bring out all sorts of evidence and shove it in the faces of Americans who haven't really been paying attention.
And probably Trump will get more and more extreme and might do something that frightens the non-cultist GOPers (not sure what that would be, as they've accepted so much).
Or he might do something humiliating that shows clearly that he's lost what few marbles he had.

The GOP and specifically Moscow Mitch might decide he's just not worth the trouble.
I'm not predicting, but I can see it happening. None of them actually like him... the moment they think they have a better electoral chance without him, they'll dump him.

cstanleytech

(26,486 posts)
25. Yes he is probably right however that does not mean impeachment should not be pursued when the
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:42 PM
Oct 2019

evidence clearly shows he did what he is accused of.

brush

(54,588 posts)
36. That's ok though. There has never been an impeached president running for re-election.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 03:18 PM
Oct 2019

Not Johnson, Nixon or Clinton and IMO, having the specter of being impeached before the public for months with more and more damning info coming out, does not favor an impeached, orange a-hole running for president.

Forget the repug spew that it will rouse up his base. He hasn't widened his base since he's been in office. All the red-state rallies have been just him preaching to the choir as his approval rating has stayed around 38-42%, not good. It's never even reached 50% and I believe no modern president has been re-elected with an approval rating less than 50%—the most recent examples of one-termers being HW Bush and Carter.

And neither one of them even had the adjective of "impeached" in front of their names.

Zambero

(9,009 posts)
4. The subject of this impeachment is tearing the country apart
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:38 PM
Oct 2019

Not the remedy as prescribed by the U.S. Constitution.

PatSeg

(48,465 posts)
32. Exactly
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:57 PM
Oct 2019

Witnessing abuse and corruption in the White House on a daily basis and doing nothing about it will do nothing to unify the country. It could however cost some politicians their jobs.

Its really wimpy to let other people put their careers on the line and then wait and see what materializes. Then they'll probably hope no one will remember their cowardly vote. And they'll probably be wrong.

patphil

(6,376 posts)
5. Trump is already tearing the country apart.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:43 PM
Oct 2019

Ignoring Trump's lawlessness just validates his actions.
Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war.

DENVERPOPS

(9,133 posts)
35. Please, you all keep forgetting
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 02:53 PM
Oct 2019

The thing that is tearing this country apart is the REPUBLICAN SENATORS. Go after them in each and every state, and in the media.
Trump would not have been able to last one day in office if it weren't for the Republican Senators............
The Repub Senators have condoned and actually assisted in every move for the past THREE YEARS..........

DENVERPOPS

(9,133 posts)
47. If the states
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 05:57 PM
Oct 2019

If each state's Democrat residents and media went after the Republican senators 24/7, the Republican Senators would have their own asses to worry about, their hands way too full worrying about their own asses to even think about helping Trump.........

Their own jobs are the most important thing to their selfish little egotistical asses.........

We need to continue going after Trump by all means, but he is merely a symptom of a much bigger cause: The Republican Senators who are every bit as complicit and in fact worse, by continuing to vote to have this hell descend on all of us, and only allowing Trump to be there in order to act as a diversion while they enact their horrific shit on the nation......

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
10. it was very disheartening to see that not one Republican voted for the resolution.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:55 PM
Oct 2019

But hope springs eternal. As more and more damaging evidence emerges I think it will become harder and harder for Republican senators to continue to defend him.

The Blue Flower

(5,481 posts)
11. Van Drew: "Facts? We don't need no stinking facts!"
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:57 PM
Oct 2019

Of course they may come in handy when the rest of the world does the post mortem on our dead democracy.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
13. He voted to keep his job.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:01 PM
Oct 2019

Both Congressmen who voted “no” are in Trump friendly districts. They voted to keep their jobs - it’s just that simple.

Traildogbob

(9,110 posts)
19. Patriotic
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:14 PM
Oct 2019

That sounds about right, shit on the constitution you swear an oath too, shit on your moral beliefs, shit on the law, shit on our democracy.....just to keep a pay check coming. All about cash. Give your country to Putin, for cash. Leave babies in cages, for cash, let young immigrant girls be sold for sex camps, for cash, poison our entire planet, for cash, as God would do. He be blessin MurKKKa. We have one big Green Party in MurKKKa, green cash. Gotta keep the cushy job, vote those two assholes to hell.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
27. I didn't say it was right...
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:44 PM
Oct 2019

I just said it was the most likely reason. It’s the same reason republicans are backing Trumpsky right now. As soon his poll numbers drop to 30% and their jobs are threatened by supporting him - just watch those Trump Humpers suddenly discover their righteous outrage.

Traildogbob

(9,110 posts)
39. No no,
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 03:43 PM
Oct 2019

I was not attacking you. I was sarcastically attacking ALL politicians that only want the seat and pay. Never run to better the country, just want the seat. We do not need asses that will not fight for us that put them there. Just wanna keep a job, well unemployment is at record lows, and all those wonderful migrant jobs are vacant. They don't have to sell their soul and our country just so they can have a job. If they want to keep a seat, it is more than sitting in it, follow the freaking oath they swear to. Like Repubs, placing a hand on the bible is as believable as tRump laying a tiny hand on it and swearing. Fake God they swear to. My Appoligies to you, not attacking your post at all.

Traildogbob

(9,110 posts)
46. ✌🏼️
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 05:34 PM
Oct 2019

We are in the same fight. Not all dems are angels, not all vets are angels, i.e., Tom Cotton, "Tulski" Gabbert, Lindsay Graham just to name a few. I am a Vietnam era vet. Joined....Draft number 324. Not of age to vote. Faught for the right. Repubs, most who never served, taking that right away. Welcoming communism into our country. Supposidly what over 50,000 of my brothers and sisters died for, To stop the spread of communism. Fuck the GOP.

bucolic_frolic

(44,124 posts)
20. You're talking to a beautiful girl at the bar on a Saturday night
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:16 PM
Oct 2019

you'd be stupid not to push that as far as you can. Because you never know.

Offered the chance to cleanse their souls and be rid of their political burden, more than a few Anti-American GOP Senators might just say "yes!".

Maxheader

(4,378 posts)
21. DINO ALERT! DINO ALERT!
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:19 PM
Oct 2019


Ya gonna quit pushing for gun laws that work because its HARD?
Ya gonna quit pushing for envirnmental regs that get something done..
BECAUSE ITS FU CKING HARD!!????

They should be ashamed of themselves..

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
29. Pardon me while I choke on the bullshit and...
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:46 PM
Oct 2019

...puke.



If he wants to be Repuke, then then change parties.

TheRealNorth

(9,536 posts)
30. I don't care if it divides the country
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:49 PM
Oct 2019

Trump is using the power of his office to interfere with the election. If we don't fight tooth and nail now, our Democratic candidates will be coming down with Polonium 210 poisoning next.

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
31. If Reps. Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey and Collin Peterson of Minnesota...
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:53 PM
Oct 2019

do not vote to send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate when the time comes, they will be primaried into oblivion, and they will deserve it.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(116,660 posts)
53. No Dem even slightly to the left of Colin Peterson could get elected in his district.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:58 PM
Oct 2019

It’s Trump country. If a more liberal Dem successfully primaried Peterson the GOP candidate would win the general; Peterson sucks but he counts as part of the total Dem majority.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
60. Who said it had to be a more liberal Democrat?
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:01 PM
Oct 2019

It could be a conservo-Dem who also happens to support the constitution.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(116,660 posts)
61. Supporting the Constitution isn't very popular in Trump Country.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:50 AM
Nov 2019

Trump is more important than the Constitution in those parts.

scardycat

(170 posts)
38. So if the country wants to find out if Trump is breaking the law ( and he is) ....
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 03:30 PM
Oct 2019

we just shouldnt cuz it might" further divide the country tearing it apart at the seams" Fuck that, rules are rules do.your.job

William Seger

(10,812 posts)
40. Yes, resistance to fascism is tearing the country apart
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 03:56 PM
Oct 2019

Apparently Van Drew isn't too concerned about who ends up with the bigger half.

Nitram

(23,485 posts)
43. he will be "making a judgment call based on all the evidence presented by these investigations."
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 04:34 PM
Oct 2019

Translation: He'll vote for impeachment if enough Republicans change their minds before the vote.

dem4decades

(11,374 posts)
51. So Van Drew doesn't care to uphold his oath to protect the Constitution? That's all I need to know.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:55 PM
Oct 2019

When the brave are asked to stand up, Mr Van Drew, don't bother standing.

madaboutharry

(40,285 posts)
54. I don't respect the "it will divide the country" argument.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:59 PM
Oct 2019

That is not a reason to allow a criminal to get away with his crimes.

He voted no because he comes from a district that previously had the same republican congressman for 28 years.

I don't believe that his vote was one of principle.

OAITW r.2.0

(25,298 posts)
56. Republicans are getting torn apart, Democrats seem pretty unfied.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 08:17 PM
Oct 2019

It's going to get uglier for Republicans as the crimes get laid out for the public. Good luck preotecting Trump (to protect your backsides) Republicans!

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