Republicans discuss a longer Senate impeachment trial to scramble Democratic primaries
Source: Washington Post
By Robert Costa,,
Michael Scherer and
Seung Min Kim
November 13, 2019 at 6:42 p.m. EST
Some Republican senators and their advisers are privately discussing whether to pressure GOP leaders to stage a lengthy impeachment trial beginning in January to scramble the Democratic presidential race potentially keeping a half-dozen candidates in Washington until the eve of the Iowa caucuses or longer.
Those conversations about the timing and framework for a trial remain fluid and closely held, according to more than a dozen participants in the discussions. But the deliberations come as Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) faces pressure from conservative activists to swat back at Democrats as public impeachment hearings began this week in the House.
The discussions raise a potential hazard for the six Democratic senators running for president, who had previously planned on a final sprint out of Washington before the Feb. 3 Iowa caucuses and the Feb. 11 New Hampshire primary.
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TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)They'll lose their asses in the meantime.
lanlady
(7,133 posts)That's what I say - let them drag it out as long as they want. It's only going to damage Trump even further and will be that much fresher in the minds of voters.
brush
(53,743 posts)And it would be a distinct advantage to Biden who is not a senator and can thus stay on the campaign trail.
And, since trump considers Biden his most formidable rivalseeking dirt on him is after all why he's being impeachedyou'd think they'd want to get it over quickly and out of voters minds before the general election.
But you know repugs, their logic and whole way of thinking is different (crooked).
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)..."Go ahead. Make my day."
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Help us advertise what scumbags all of you are.
sakabatou
(42,136 posts)They'd do anything to protect their dear leader.
unblock
(52,126 posts)seriously, if donnie committed impeachable offenses to interfere with the election to benefit him, and republican senators use the impeachment trial resulting from those very impeachable acts to further interfere with the election to benefit him, that starts to look rather like being accomplices after the fact.
ck4829
(35,038 posts)The Mouth
(3,145 posts)But the Senate has to remove. The only valid argument for impeachment is that it allows an investigation, getting out the dirt they've tried to hide. It's almost certain he'll be impeached and equally certain he won't be removed.
ck4829
(35,038 posts)They STILL crow about Clinton being impeached, it will also unify us as a party - I think we can more easily unite behind the nominee against Trump as an impeached president...
Priority should be focusing on that margin on which he is impeached and have tempered expectations on removal IMHO.
I just think that expecting anything out of impeachment other than letting investigators get ALL the dirt out is foolish.
And it *will* unify the Republicans, too. It will not be without its costs. Not that it shouldn't be done, but I've little patience with people who expect it to result in the removal of Cheeto Benito, nor with anybody who thinks it will effect his base one iota (except to make them even more fervent)
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)AND refusing to read those that have been released.
So what if the senate refuses to convict?
EVERY republican in EVERY seat that is being contested, will wear this albatross around their neck.
Make them think that we also threw on a lit tire, just to make sure. (necklacing)
pat_k
(9,313 posts)Too bad that's not the way it goes.
They don't have the guts to vote to remove in public, but I would bet they'd get the 2/3's they need to remove if the vote were secret.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)The longer they will be focused on impeachment the less they have to hit the campaign trail while a primary is underway. This won't hurt all candidates, just the Senators.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)than to confirm the president is a crook.
Senators must be present for the entire trial. They dont have a choice.
To further mess with the primaries, theyre almost guaranteed to call Biden as a witness - and schedule it for the least opportune time if this really does stretch into the primary season.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)FBaggins
(26,721 posts)And he's already done that:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/paulmcleod/trump-impeachment-senate-trial-how-to-republicans
The majority certainly has the power to make such a rule, and there are other ways within the existing rules to have the same effect on candidate senators... but that wasn't my point. This isn't something like a vote on declaring next Tuesday to be "National Left-Handed Music Teachers Day" that you can miss without political repercussions. It's an impeachment trial where they sit as jury/judge. When do judges or juries miss days of trial?
At any point during the trial, there could come a consequential vote. When republicans decide that they want Schiff called as a witness (when he could also be one of the prosecutors), or they want to call the whistleblower, or that hearsay evidence cannot be entered into the record, the entire Senate could be called upon to vote on the issue. Our candidates can't be absent for such votes.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Excellent!
He can't campaign either.
FBaggins
(26,721 posts)Which is three months later anyway... and manufacturing an impeachment win would only help him.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)FBaggins
(26,721 posts)Morgan wasnt even able to hold his own legislative seat in last years primary... he certainly isnt a threat to the senate majority leader
pat_k
(9,313 posts)He will probably win, but KY isn't one of the "Solid R's" according to Cook Report.
And the ones who are toss up and lean R certainly won't be thrilled about being pulled from the trail.
It would be wonderful to win those three -- or even four seats.
Toss up:
AZ-McSally
CO-Gardner
ME-Collins
Lean R:
NC-Tillis
Likely R:
GA-Perdue
GA-Open
IA-Ernst
KS-Open
KY-McConnell
MS-Hyde-Smith
Solid R:
AK-Sullivan
AR-Cotton
ID-Risch
LA-Cassidy
MT-Daines
NE-Sasse
OK-Inhofe
SC-Graham
SD-Rounds
TN-Open
TX-Cornyn
WV-Moore Capito
WY-Open
samnsara
(17,606 posts)...at least with it going on and on and on hes the defendant..
Mr. Sparkle
(2,929 posts)These republicans aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the shed.
lanlady
(7,133 posts)they'd get to Trump by the end of this year and tell him that he needs to announce he will not run for reelection for "family business reasons" or whatever - giving enough time to build a post-Trump ticket (Pence/Haley?)
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Putin is running this. Trump never was.
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)They can get the same reactionary policies and judicial nominations from Pence, but drama-free. The religious nuts will love him more than Trump.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)VarryOn
(2,343 posts)The candidates very well at this point, and no one will not vote for someone just becausethey need to be in DC, especially if involves trying to oust Trump.
Rather than the length of the trial, I'm more concerned about who will have to testify and how Republicans will try to dictate the rules and drive the storyline. Fairness will not be part of their process.
Bayard
(22,011 posts)Than to cheat.
Dan
(3,538 posts)Senators want this to last long enough so that they dont have to worry about facing a Trump supported primary opponent - because of how they vote.
Now Trumpie needs to have the impeachment removal vote before the GOP primaries - so that he can ensure his GOP dogs due their duty to their insane master.
And thinking about it, the GOP doesnt care about the Democratic candidates for president because they have probably figured that Trump probably wont be re-elected. The White GOP females that put his sick ass in office - probably have had enough. And once the SCOTUS decides the Dreamers have to go back to their birth country that will piss off another group of Americans that can vote.
If the Impeachment trial last long enough and damages Trump (hopefully enough Americans understand how important our Constitution is and protecting the Republic) then it will be hard for the GOP to vote not to remove the insane emperor.
The GOP is only concerned with protecting their political asses, they give less than a damn about the nation.
And I have reached the point that I give less than a damn about his cult followers.
SergeStorms
(19,187 posts)from republiCAN'TS about listening to all the evidence set forth and making a decision about Trump's guilt (I won't add "innocence", because that's not an option). Not one word about that! Their big decision is how to better obstruct justice, or fuck over the United States of America to protect the Orange Squatter in the Oval Office.
cstanleytech
(26,238 posts)it to the Senate.
That way it prevents the Repugnants from going through with this plan and it puts in them in a tight spot just before an election and makes it more difficult for the Senate Repugnants to do spin.
olddad65
(599 posts)It would even matter if Trump was re-elected. He would be gone.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)They will have to make a completely different calculation then.
rickford66
(5,521 posts)They can campaign from their kitchens if they have to.
Also, they'll each probably get network interviews daily. Matching Trump's free political ads.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)cstanleytech
(26,238 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)candidates criss-crossing their states for a year.
A lengthy senate trial will keep vulnerable Rs like Gardener, Collins, McSally, etc from campaigning, too.
FBaggins
(26,721 posts)Few incumbent senators spend much time campaigning in February. The senate primaries for the three you mentioned are in June through August.
The danger is that the first month of presidential primaries is always critical for the party out of office. Months/years of assumptions can be thrown on their heads when one candidate under/overperforms in an early state... and polls shift rapidly. This year there's only a month between the Iowa caucuses and Super Tuesday with 14 states (including CA/TX/VA/NC) voting. If Warren underperforms in IA/NH and can't dig out of it because she can't campaign in those 14 states... her race could be over. If Sanders OVERperforms and wins the first two states... he can't capitalize on it.
William Weehours
(59 posts)A car just backfired on my block! At this time of the night!
Woodwizard
(837 posts)that long most people will not be tuned in, the general public will not be paying attention 45 will though, the longer it goes on the more unhinged he will get and that will be in the headlines.