At Least 6 Victims After Shooting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita

[brooklynite]

Source: KTLA-TV

Authorities responded to a shooting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita early Thursday.

The number of people injured was not immediately known. However, television footage showed people being treated on campus by paramedics.

Authorities are searching for a suspect described as a 15-year-old boy wearing a black hat and black clothing, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

Read more: https://ktla.com/2019/11/14/shooting-at-saugus-high-school-prompts-lockdown-of-campus-gunman-sought/

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A report of a shooting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita has prompted the lockdown of multiple campuses in the area Thursday morning, authorities said.

Deputies responded to a report of shots fired on the campus, located at 21900 Centurion Way, the Santa Clarita Sheriff’s Station Department said in a series of tweets.

There are at least six — but possibly seven — victims, according to the Los Angeles County Fire Department. It was not immediately clear if all of them had been shot.

Paramedics responded after receiving a gunshot wound call just before 7:40 a.m., according to the Los Angeles County Fire Department. The agency confirmed at least one person was shot in the abdomen.

[brooklynite]

1. KTLA helicopter reporting police searching for suspect in adjacent undeveloped land area

[Beaverhausen]

2. now reporting 7 victims

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Saugus-High-School-Shooting-Santa-Clarita-California-564919052.html?fbclid=IwAR21IcmdqgyNrW8SHYCuZl8fPRSbbR-fVZHUiBkwx_TpMZgrEDK8y8ydEPM

[brooklynite]

3. Live coverage

https://ktla.com/2019/11/14/shooting-at-saugus-high-school-prompts-lockdown-of-campus-gunman-sought/

[brooklynite]

4. Police converging on a nearby residence

[B Stieg]

5. Here we go, again...

[BumRushDaShow]

9. Took the exact words right out of my mouth.

[pat_k]

6. "'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens"

That's the headline The Onion posts with every mass shooting.

Tragically, we'll see it again tomorrow.

With the shooter still at large, this isn't over yet. It brings me to tears.

[brooklynite]

7. 2 victims reported in critical condition

Link to tweet

[BigmanPigman]

43. I believe those two have died since this was reported

and the student gunman killed himself. Police are speaking to his mother and girlfriend.

[Botany]

8. No more thoughts and prayers .... God Damn it do something

Fuck the NRA.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

10. Only in America.

Just think how deprived other nations are that they never get to experience this. I'm sure I don't need the sarcasm thingy here.


I almost think that these incidents shouldn't have live coverage for hours. However, I understand that because there are lots of kids at schools, many, many people care and are involved in some way, such as the parents of kids at the school in question.

[lagomorph777]

27. Thank you, Massacre Mitch, for bringing us another NRA-sponsored mass shooting.

[brooklynite]

11. Police have guns fixed on a house about a mile away

[Mike 03]

12. LA County Sheriff Santa Clarita Valley Police Scanner

Source: Broadcastify

Link to listen: https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/829

[brooklynite]

13. Sheriff's Office reporting a "male asian" suspect

Link to tweet

[eggplant]

16. PLEASE DON'T NAME THE SHOOTER. #NoNotoriety

Anyone who posts articles about the shooting, please redact the name of the shooter and don't post photos. Please.

https://nonotoriety.com/

[dware]

17. For Sure.

Don't give this asshole anymore notoriety.

[Coventina]

19. I understand the motivation of this, but I respectfully disagree.

I think it is important to know who these people are.

Why?

Because I think we need to have a serious look at general trends in these incidents.

Why are they almost always male?

Why are they almost always young?

Why are they most often white?

Why are they most often rightward / libertarian leaning?

How often are they previously diagnosed with a mental illness? (Or is this something that is diagnosed after the fact, and by whom?)

YES, I know that there are exceptions to the above, but I'm speaking about statistical probabilities, not outliers.
(And, yes, I know mass shootings in and of themselves are outliers, but sadly becoming more and more common).

I believe (and I understand if you disagree) that looking at who these people are is an important step in understanding and hopefully preventing the spread of this disease.

The simplest fix is to take away their guns, of course, but clearly THAT isn't going to happen, even though it should.

For all victims past and present and, sadly, future

[eggplant]

20. You can talk ABOUT the shooter without (a) naming them or (b) posting a photo.

Sure, talk about their gender, age, color, political leaning, mental health status, ...

It is not necessary to post a photo or a name in order to talk about any of the above things.

[Coventina]

22. So who is it that you do not want discussing the name? The media? Or law enforcement?

Because if the media doesn't have a name, finding out about the person without it is going to be difficult.

Also, arrests are public record. The media will find out the name, unless laws are changed. And, I have to say that laws that end up protecting the privacy of offenders is not a road I think we want to go down.

If all the media took a vow of silence, I suppose that would be OK, as long as they continue to do responsible reporting otherwise.

However, there will always be media outlets who will release the name, for the sake of being able to "break news" that other outlets either don't have or haven't published yet.

And, honestly, I don't see that it makes a big difference in the long run. Personally, I don't remember the names of any mass shooters after the Columbine tragedy. Every one of them since I've forgotten. The Vegas shooting? No idea. The El Paso shooting? (even though it was recent and I know I heard the name) No idea.

I've even forgotten the name of the Sandy Hook shooter.

The notoriety is very short lived, anymore. It just happens too often, sadly.

[eggplant]

24. Did you even bother to go to the website?

No Name. No Photo. No Notoriety.

IT’S A MATTER OF PUBLIC SAFETY

The quest for notoriety and infamy is a well known motivating factor in rampage mass killings and violent copycat crimes. In an effort to reduce future tragedies, we CHALLENGE THE MEDIA – calling for RESPONSIBLE MEDIA COVERAGE FOR THE SAKE OF PUBLIC SAFETY when reporting on individuals who commit or attempt acts of rampage mass violence thereby depriving violent like minded individuals the media celebrity and media spotlight they so crave.

Just because naming names doesn't affect YOU, doesn't mean it doesn't affect future shooters.

[Coventina]

33. No, I didn't bother to go to the website. Why would I?

I disagree with the premise.

Are there peer-reviewed studies that show that publicity is a motivating factor?

If you have links to those I would read them with interest.

on edit: grammatical error

[eggplant]

35. Go read the freaking website then.

https://nonotoriety.com/data-experts/

I look forward to your reasoned response to what you find there.

[Igel]

40. The problem with this is confusing the name with the thing.

The Charlottesville killer is pretty well known. Even if we didn't know his name, he'd be notorious.

Like the Green River Killer was. It's a nice *claim* that they must be notorious by name to be rewarded; otherwise, there is no reward. It remains to be shown that it's their attachment to a name, not to an act, that matters.

He Who Must Not Be Named was just as bad as Voldemort. Some people are vain about their name, some aren't.

[treestar]

39. There are so many of them now

that it is not necessary to hide their name. How much notoriety to they get - it doesn't last long and not until the next one. I couldn't name the Vegas shooter at this point, for example.

[PatSeg]

21. I agree with you

And news should be reported with all the available facts and details included, aside from withholding the names of victims until family is notified or information about the assailant that could interfere with an investigation. I want to know who these people are and as much about them as possible. Knowing about them could possibly help prevent another violent attack.

[eggplant]

36. Knowing *about* them does not require naming them or posting photos of them.

Denying shooters fame discourages future shooters.

Knowing about them could possibly ENCOURAGE another violent attack. It's a common theme amongst these assholes.

[IronLionZion]

23. How come they often post right wing political manifestos online?

yet white DUers claim they don't have a political agenda and are therefore not terrorists?

[lagomorph777]

28. Because murder is a Russiapublican family value.

[Coventina]

34. Another good question to ask. n/t

[eggplant]

37. What white DUers make this claim?

[IronLionZion]

38. The ones who want to promote the idea that terrorists are brown

and don't want to be associated with the types of people who are mass murdering Americans in our schools, churches, movie theaters, workplaces, and anywhere else in any town anywhere in this country. These types of white DUers don't want to be treated like brown DUers for some reason.

Why? Are brown people treated unfairly at airports and black people treated unfairly by police or something?



Denial of the problem causes more of it.

[Igel]

42. Because the argumentation is incoherent.

Most mass murderers aren't white. Most of the ones we hear about are.

Most of the ones that we hear the most about are white and have manifestoes. However, until recently the legal requirement for terrorism was subscribing to some ideology and being part of an organized group--not just a member of some demographic group. The ISIS/AQ-related bombings actually had people claiming to be supporters, as opposed to just being "incels".

Even then, many of the manifestoes don't have so much a political goal, intended to alter political behavior and gain power, as it is to whine about how unfair the universe is and how much those who died deserved it. They're much less ultimata than they are wails of anguish and rage.

Some shooters do so against known individuals or people.

Some shooters go after groups, and are inflicting collective or communal punishment for real or imagined wrongs.

Some layer on an ideology that serves as justification of a large struggle.

"Terrorist" has a certain cachet, but it's best to not bleach the word's meaning and therefore usefulness for communicating propositional content because it's temporarily found to be more useful for communicating feelings.

[Igel]

41. Wasn't so often until it became de rigueur.

Most still don't. The problem is that the ones that are famous owe some of that fame to their manifesto or statement, so it's a kind of feedback loop.

Most of the manifestoes I've looked at are big into why, however, not who.

[IronLionZion]

44. Muslim terrorists don't get that benefit of a doubt, and obviously don't have mental illness

With white men, it's always mental illness, never their online radicalization with hate groups.

I definitely remember what America was like before 9/11. However, I also remember what America was like before mass shootings became an every day occurrence yet the reactions to both problems have been quite different. Even the most liberal DUers oppose profiling potential mass shooters.

Racial profiling does jack shit for safety. It just makes white people feel better with the false illusion of safety.

[SCVDem]

18. Update

Alex Villanueva
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@LACoSheriff
Update regarding the shooting at #SaugusHigh, suspect is in custody and being treated at a local hospital.

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The latest has a female victim dead.

Santa Clarita sure makes the news a lot. Last few weeks it was the fires.

[Maxheader]

25. Gun sales in the area will now go up and

the nra has a big smile on its face...

[lunatica]

26. I feel physically ill over this.

I’ve reached that point where I can’t bear this anymore.

[brooklynite]

29. LA TIMES: Video shows shooter pull out a handgun, shoot five people and then himself

Link to tweet

[brooklynite]

30. UPDATE: One victim killed, four injured

Link to tweet

[SergeStorms]

32. Two deceased now.

One 16 year old girl, one 14 year old boy. The perp is in "grave condition" from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

[SergeStorms]

31. It's on YOU, Moscow Mitch!

Sit on every new gun law the House sends to you, you son-of-a-bitch!

[brooklynite]

45. UPDATE: Third victim dies

Link to tweet

[Sancho]

46. People Control, Not Gun Control

Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and possess a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language; I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional or mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthiness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of your home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. The license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.) If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, lose, manufacture, modify, or inherit a gun; your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, are referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, or deemed unsafe by a LEO; you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a relicensing process.

[Crabby Appleton]

47. The shooter has died. Nt