Supreme Court temporarily halts court order requiring accountants to turn over Trump's tax returns t
Source: CNBC
The Supreme Court on Monday temporarily blocked a ruling that requires President Donald Trumps longtime accounting firm to turn over his tax returns to Congress.
The temporary stay order signed by Chief Justice John Roberts gives the Democratic-controlled House Committee on Oversight and Reform until Thursday to respond. The document did not note any public votes or dissents.
The move was expected and does not provide new information about how the justices may ultimately vote on the matter. It generally requires five votes to grant a stay, though in some cases one justice may do so pending review by the full court.
Earlier in the day, attorneys for House Democrats said in a letter they would not oppose a temporary delay in enforcing the subpoena to allow the court time to consider arguments on both sides. The committee said in the letter that it would provide its response on Friday.
Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/18/supreme-court-temporarily-halts-court-order-requiring-accountants-to-turn-over-trumps-tax-returns-to-congress.html
mahatmakanejeeves
(56,897 posts)As expected, CJ Roberts issues temporary stay in Trump v. Mazars, meaning accounting firm doesn't have to turn over financial records right away. House committee seeking those records had acquiesced earlier today
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djg21
(1,803 posts)Its a stay intended to preserve the status quo ante and not allow the case to be rendered academic while it is being considered by the Court. It doesnt mean anything, and nothing should be read into it. The Court still may deny certiorari and leave the decision of the Court of Appeals in tact.
mahatmakanejeeves
(56,897 posts)California_Republic
(1,826 posts)djg21
(1,803 posts)The Court will conference and determine whether to grant or deny certiorari. All SCOTUS-related matters can be followed at https://www.scotusblog.com. This is a really informative blog with great analysis.
On edit: here is a link to the SCOTUSBlog coverage: https://www.scotusblog.com/2019/11/trump-returns-to-supreme-court-asks-justices-to-intervene-in-dispute-over-financial-records/
mahatmakanejeeves
(56,897 posts)https://twitter.com/AHoweBlogger
Here's a link to the order: https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/111819zr_6537.pdf
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Full disclosure: IANAL, which most of you have figured out.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)They have not granted certiorari. The parties have to file documents in favor of and opposing review.
Oh boy, this is gonna be fun, and very very telling..........
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)doc03
(35,148 posts)onenote
(42,383 posts)anything more or less than that
Here's the order:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/111819zr_6537.pdf
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)that gives the lawyers time to file their paperwork related to the cert. petition that would be done in any case, no matter who the parties were. It doesn't mean anything except that the court is following its own rules and the requests of both parties.
doc03
(35,148 posts)would not even take on the case.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)The cases they usually accept for review are cases in which there are inconsistent decisions in the lower courts, which isn't the situation here. The lower courts have all been pretty emphatic in holding that presidents aren't immune from investigation, and those decisions have been based on tons of precedent. I don't know how they'd get past the Clinton deposition case or especially the Nixon tapes case.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)by people who don't have a clue about the process, this is an administrative stay that means nothing except that it gives the lawyers on both sides time to prepare and file their paperwork.
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Thekaspervote
(32,606 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Thank you.
ET Awful
(24,753 posts)The USSC will put an administrative hold on any case submitted to it to allow both sides to present their filings. This is prior to them making a decision as to whether to hear the case or not. From a strictly legal perspective (putting aside personal opinions) You can't let the lower court decision stand and force the release of the docs (or award of monetary damages or enforcement of a statute/law, etc.) while the appeals process is ongoing, otherwise you risk irreparable harm to one party or the other.
The process requires the administrative hold, then the review of filings from both parties, then the decision as to whether to take the case. If they decline to take the case, the lower court decision stands. If they accept the case, further hearings take place and the injunction remains in place until the final decision.
onenote
(42,383 posts)They don't understand the order or the circumstances under which it was granted and apparently don't care that they don't.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)which is certainly forgivable, and who don't bother to find out how it works before posting an ill-informed rant, which isn't.
Raster
(20,996 posts)... I hope I am wrong and that in the end, the SCOTUS sides with the House.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)Normal procedure.
Raster
(20,996 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)Raster
(20,996 posts)cilla4progress
(24,589 posts)say deadline now is this Wednesday?
herding cats
(19,549 posts)Which I'm assuming is what the SC has granted.
aggiesal
(8,864 posts)so Pendejo45's lawyers had until Wed. to file arguments with the SC.
The house had agreed to this "Stay" and will file their arguments by Friday.
onenote
(42,383 posts)The stay gives the House counsel time to file.
aggiesal
(8,864 posts)"... Pendejo45's lawyers had until Wed. ..."
And that the House has already given a heads-up to the SC about
filing this Friday.
Mz Pip
(27,404 posts)Does not Congress have the power to investigate the Executive Branch? Conservatives want to neuter Congressional power. If this goes in Trumps favor we can just kiss good bye that we have 3 co equal branches of government.
So any president from here on out will be able to declare any investigation a witch hunt and refuse to comply and get away with it.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)ArizonaLib
(1,242 posts)The majority on this court has already showed its colors. People have concern to be worried about this case/filing. Anyone who thinks ideologically based votes on the supreme court don't affect the whole country are dreaming.
Mz Pip
(27,404 posts)This is what the Trump Administration wants, a President who cannot be checked by Congress.
Well see what SCOTUS does, but I am not optimistic.
truthisfreedom
(23,113 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)Maxheader
(4,366 posts)Yeah you bastard supreme right wingers..we don't need anymore time to add to the list of stumpys criminal background..And with your "stellar" group of republicon appointees...crooks all....you understand why
cheetox is stalling for time...just like you did during confirmation hearings..
onenote
(42,383 posts)so that they would have an opportunity to respond to Trump's arguments.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Chill.
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)onenote
(42,383 posts)who argued today that the courts should not get involved in the case where the Judiciary Committee is trying to get Mueller's grand jury records?
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)if they do their job they should support the House in doing it's Constitutional duty.