BREAKING Jeffrey Epstein Suicide: Two Jail Workers Arrested
Source: New York Times
Two federal workers who were on duty the night Jeffrey Epstein killed himself in a Manhattan jail were taken into custody early Tuesday on federal charges related to their alleged failure to check on him, according to a person with knowledge of the matter.
The two federal Bureau of Prisons employees were expected to be charged later in the morning and appear in United States District Court in Manhattan.
The charges would be the first to arise from a criminal inquiry into the death of Mr. Epstein, who hanged himself at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan while awaiting trial on sex-trafficking charges.
The workers came under scrutiny shortly after Mr. Epsteins death, because they were responsible for monitoring the high-security unit where Mr. Epstein, the disgraced financier who had previously been convicted of sex crimes, was being held.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/19/nyregion/epstein-prison-guards-arrested.html
rurallib
(62,401 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)If you are ever arrested for something, stop talking.
Metatron
(1,258 posts)PJMcK
(22,022 posts)1. Name
2. Address
3. Demand an attorney
4. Shut up
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)If you shut up and don't assert the fifth, your interrogation can last indefinitely, and silence can be used against you.
Assert your rights early and often.
https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=61f0c293-44b7-4614-9437-98574bb319c3
AllaN01Bear
(18,101 posts)you have the right to remain silent . if u give up the right to remain silent anything that u say will be held against you in a court of law. if you are taken downtown for questioning, you have the right to an attorney, if you cant afford one , one will be appointed for you. you also have your right of 5 amndment self incrimination. do you understand these rights , yes or no?
bitterross
(4,066 posts)Be polite and say you do not wish to answer questions. No one is obligated to talk to the police for anything more than routine matters such as an ID check in most states. That isn't even necessary in many places. Know your rights.
If you're driving a car and get pulled over you are obligated to show a license. If you're just walking down the street - not so much.
Arthur_Frain
(1,846 posts)I have nothing to say.
Said respectfully, not tauntingly, not angrily. Just a repeated, if necessary, statement of fact.
Most folks could do with those words in that situation.
unblock
(52,163 posts)on arrest, yes, immediately stop talking, other than to say you want a lawyer.
but once you and your lawyer are in a position to cut a deal with a prosecutor, at that point, talking can be quite useful.
presumably that's what the post meant, though you certainly raise a very important point that the talking shouldn't be immediately upon arrest.
getagrip_already
(14,674 posts)either that or a plea deal where they had to testify, and they declined.
Apparent'y barr has a bigger stick than the prison legal system.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Could you perhaps explain this "prison legal system" which you apparently believe to be separate from the DoJ?
getagrip_already
(14,674 posts)the Bureau of Prisons has its own internal affairs division with their own prosecutors. They are still part of the federal doj, but distinct from the fbi.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/correctional-officers-charged-falsifying-records-august-9th-and-10th-metropolitan
Geoffrey S. Berman, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Guido Modano, Special Agent in Charge of the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General, New York Field Office (DOJ OIG), and William F. Sweeney Jr., Assistant Director-in-Charge of the New York Field Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), announced today the unsealing of an indictment charging federal correctional officers TOVA NOEL and MICHAEL THOMAS with making false records and conspiring to make false records and to defraud the United States by impairing the lawful functions of the Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC), a Manhattan detention facility that houses federal inmates. NOEL and THOMAS surrendered this morning. The case is assigned to Southern District of New York U.S. District Judge Analisa Torres.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Waaaay too many coincidences.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)This death goes directly to the top - I see you Criminal Barr.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Botany
(70,476 posts).... and Epstein wound up dead w/in 24 hours of the information that Trump was still flying on
Epstein's planes long after Trump said he had no longer had any contact w/Epstein and that
Epstein said that Trump had let him use his plane to fly young girls around.
mpcamb
(2,869 posts)Barrs history with Epstein stretches back to the 70s, when Barrs father hired Epstein to teach mathematics at Manhattans prestigious Dalton School. And Barr previously worked for Kirkland & Ellis, a law firm that represented Epstein during the 2008 Florida investigation.
Barr still didn't recuse himself from Epsteins sex trafficking case, despite initially saying he would do so.
whathehell
(29,050 posts)What is he, the Harbinger of Death?..The Grim friggin' Reaper? ..Did you know he was Opus Dei?...This shit's looking scary.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/26/opinion/william-barr-trump.html
Botany
(70,476 posts)... "going bad." However between these 2 cases and many other "things" random chance seems
like a remote possibility.
But I feel bad for the guards because they probalbly put on enormous pressure before Jeff's death a
and afterwards too. We are dealing with organized crime here and Barr is a consigliere in this
international crime family.
whathehell
(29,050 posts)malfunction after Barr's visit? I didn't even know he was there
Botany
(70,476 posts)n/t
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)There are of course way more than two cameras on the way in to that area of the prison.
Perhaps folks might actually READ the indictment:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1218466/download
20. As reflected on video obtained from the MCC's internal video surveillance system, at approximately 10:30 p.m. on August 9, 2019 after' TOVA NOEL, the defendant, had signed and submitted the 10 p.m. count slip and the institutional count had been completed NOEL briefly walked up to, and then walked back from, the door to the tier in which Epstein was housed. As confirmed by the video obtained from the MCC's internal video surveillance system, this was the last time anyone, including any correctional officer, walked up to, let alone entered, the only entrance to the tier in which Epstein was housed until approximately 6:30 a,.m. on August 10.
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How do you explain that nobody showed up on the camera fixed at the entrance itself?
Botany
(70,476 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The investigators who brought the indictment, and the medical examiner are all idiots, right?
Botany
(70,476 posts)... death and his associations with Trump and company is just one more little outlier in what can be best described
as the largest criminal operation in history. This Trump "thing" is so big no one person can get their head around
all the moving parts. Maybe Jeffery was successful in committing suicide but there is still much to the Trump/Epstein
story that we don't know about.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Botany
(70,476 posts)Jeff's businesses were black mail and extortion not finical planning and he had his hooks
into Les big time. Trump's ties to Epstein are just more examples of just how "mobbed up"
he is.
FarPoint
(12,309 posts)Not sure we'll be able to get the facts and the truth.
MontanaMama
(23,297 posts)on who was calling the shots in this murder.
brush
(53,758 posts)to jail and they dare not disclose who and how it was arranged for both of them to be on break or asleep or whatever the excuse was for their convenient dereliction of duty while Epstein died, as they know death comes easily when one endangers the reputations of certain rich and powerful men.
Traildogbob
(8,703 posts)How many people are in jail, will go to jail because of being a part of trump? Yet, not one single trump will ever face a day in jail. Justice for all. God be Blessin MURKKKA. This is what so many soldiers died for. Junior feels their pain, and appreciates the freedom they give him and his family. Untouchable freedom.
IronLionZion
(45,403 posts)or threatened them into it.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)My guess is they were following orders and taking their break. It's the higher ups who need to be investigated.
IronLionZion
(45,403 posts)Either the Feds or NY State should keep investigating to get to the bottom of this.
Ponietz
(2,955 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)12. Epstein remained on suicide watch for approximately twenty-four hours, and then was transferred to psychological observation, until July 30, 2019. Psychological observation is less restrictive than suicide watch, but inmates are still housed in the hospital wing of the MCC and watched twenty-four hours a day.
13. On July 30, 2019, Epstein was transferred back to the SHU, and, at the direction of the MCC's psychological staff, was required to have an assigned cellmate. Epstein was also assigned to the cell closest to the correctional officers' desk in the common area of the SHU, which was approximately fifteen feet from the cell. Conducting the required institutional counts and thirty-minute rounds in the SHU were also part of the MCC's procedures for ensuring the safety of inmates, including Epstein.
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Are you saying that the warden ordered Epstein back over the objection of the psychological staff?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)If Barr is interested in covering up what happened, then why is the DoJ going after these two?
Wouldn't it make more sense not to do that?
pecosbob
(7,534 posts)Oh, yeah...a scapegoat.
Talitha
(6,579 posts)brush
(53,758 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,489 posts)Normally I would expect only firing since it may be dereliction of duty.
Have they been arrested because they're alleged to have lied to investigators?........
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)They are alleged to have falsified the log records on their shift.
James48
(4,429 posts)Jeffery Epstein didn't kill John McCain!
stillcool
(32,626 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Nobody explains shit to the scapegoat, so the scapegoat can't turn state's witness.
Neema
(1,151 posts)I have no sympathy for them. If they were threatened, then they're in a really shitty situation.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)you can take the cash and shut up, or you decline and we go to work on you and/or your family
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Locrian
(4,522 posts)Debating or guessing unless you're directly in the specific situation is useless.
Neema
(1,151 posts)have ever been in a situation where very powerful, very scary men with clearly no morals or ethics are threatening to hurt your family if you don't take their hush money?
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Kablooie
(18,619 posts)Find out where that big bonus came from when Epstein died.
Apollo Zeus
(251 posts)3 months after the event
Why are Epstein's accomplices at large? with no charges?
I believe the women: Epstein was running a blackmail operation.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I could see that as cause for firing and maybe even a civil suit, but what it up with criminal charges?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Falsifying a federal record is a crime.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I they did that, its a crime
LiberalLovinLug
(14,168 posts)Too many high powered wealthy players involved. Trump, and other Republicans. Not going to say Democrats too, but perhaps some of their top wealthiest donors, who contribute usually to both parties. Enough that Democrats, who have enough on their hands right now anyways, would rather not go down the road of further investigation and digging into it either.
Baltimike
(4,140 posts)I think he's on one of his islands somewhere. Or, at least, it wouldn't surprise me to find out if he were.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)With an Casey Anthony type attorney. Let the conspiracy fly wild, mis-trials for years.
Attorney writes a book for 2 million.