Moderate Dems warn against 'kitchen sink' impeachment push
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Source: Politico
A group of House Democratic centrists is warning its caucus that any case against President Donald Trump should steer clear of Robert Mueller resurfacing an ugly internal debate on impeachment that could complicate the coming weeks.
Multiple moderates including freshman lawmakers deemed most at risk in 2020 have urged Democrats not to relitigate the issues in the Mueller report in their own investigation into the Ukraine scandal. But key Democrats, including House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler, have suggested that it could be included in eventual articles of impeachment, with many in the caucus still eager to repudiate Trump for his misconduct outlined by Mueller.
Activities from the 2016 election, I think, should be left to voters in the 2020 election, said Rep. Ben McAdams (D-Utah), who represents one of the most GOP-leaning seats in the nation. My focus is on those things that are forward looking.
"I would prefer that we stick to what we have," added Rep. Tom O'Halleran (D-Ariz.), co-chair of the moderate Blue Dog Coalition.
Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/04/impeachment-centrist-moderate-democrats-075530
groundloop
(11,518 posts)It's gotta' be tough to pick and choose which ones to focus on.
My personal feeling on this is that sections of the Mueller report detailing obstruction should be included.
Qutzupalotl
(14,302 posts)in our elections. He is a clear and present danger.
If we wanted to, we could make this the biggest, longest impeachment case in history, and people would be talking about it, saying its the biggest in history. And it would also be the largest and one of the greatest, if not THE greatest in history, many, many people are saying.
God knows Trump commits so many abuses of power in plain sight, we could never finish counting.
But it only takes one article.
TheFourthMind
(343 posts)oldsoftie
(12,531 posts)Many people who DID vote for him thought that "campaign trump" would do what most every other president has done; take office and shut down the campaign mode. That didnt happen & he only got WORSE. I think a lot of Independent voters who picked trump will NOT pick him again. And i doubt he's picked up NEW votes.
But when we have people swinging for the fences with new programs, a lot of people may very well stay home or even hold their nose again for trump. But staying home is almost as bad. High turnout means trump loses
stillcool
(32,626 posts)to be cleaned. That build up gets caustic.
cstanleytech
(26,283 posts)fast during the next election so I can understand wanting to keep focus on what is current.
Now if something surfaces like an audio recording of Trump talking with Putin or someone else in the Russian government from back before the elections over what the Russians can do to help him then by all means lets bring it and the Mueller report up but for now the focus should remain limited.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Here you go - Trump soliciting Russian election interference, with video as a bonus! Listen at 0:41:
cstanleytech
(26,283 posts)or atleast a tape recording made during one of those meetings he swore that never took place that we later learned actually did take place and that he lied through his teeth over.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Probably also secretly. But anybody who will tolerate his public behavior won't be swayed by any phone recording, no matter how egregious and damning.
cstanleytech
(26,283 posts)not equal proof.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Such proof will never penetrate the bubble.
Our only practical hope is to get our own side so riled up that every damned one of us shows up to the polls. And if we do, I hope that's enough!
Miguelito Loveless
(4,460 posts)Pick a goddamn side.
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)Magoo48
(4,705 posts)Now is the time for strong, loud, articulate leadership. We have an abundance of just that in the House. Theyve proven themselves organized and focused. Let them do what they are inspired to do.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,460 posts)that some people will get mad at me demanding that these Dems "pick a side", ignoring the fact that every Republican has picked a side, and that side is fascism.
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)either your for it or your not..........................and so far the fascist in the republican party have not , well said "pick a goddamn side".............................and welcome to DU................
certainot
(9,090 posts)chuck todd has a lot of them on regularly
but it doesn't much matter what dems do or say as long as they ignore 1500 coordinated radio stations, they're always going to be able to push dems 15 points right with the bullshit blowing from those stations and a few hundred racist liars hiding behind call screeners reaching 50 mil a week being able to pretend they represent the masses
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)They should buy Fux and UnClearcast. Flip the noise machine around. Watch some MAGAT heads snap right off.
certainot
(9,090 posts)William Seger
(10,778 posts)The irrational fear of Trump's 40% base.
htuttle
(23,738 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
ritapria
(1,812 posts)Do they want to grant free license to all future Presidents to do the same without consequence ? .They all took an oath of Office to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and Domestic ...They must stop their fretting and bedwetting and do their duty .If they don't want to uphold the Rule of Law and reign in a Criminal President , they ought to get the Hell out of Washington ...
They realize that we are a nation of fucking idiots that doesnt do nuance at all and has to have everything presented in the most simplest of ways for people to understand. And that maybe just maybe they know theyve got him dead to rights on the Ukraine stuff and theres no need to go on some quixotic journey to run up the score. Theres that, too. Pelosi herself had said it needs to be about Ukraine. Last I checked shes pretty good at her job, dont you think?
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I'm following this whole thing as well as I can and this pattern of obstruction dates back to the Mueller investigation. They chose not to do anything then but then he proceeded to obstruct the Ukraine investigation. I wish I could explain how important that is but articles of impeachment should include his entire history of obstruction of justice.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)are gone and there must be nobody more lonesome than a Centrist Democrat. Blue Dog Democrats
are barking up the wrong tree. I have no use for them.
oldsoftie
(12,531 posts)Disagree with trump on ONE thing and you're blasted as a RINO by the talking heads
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)He tried to obstruct justice like 50 times not to mention witness tampering thru his Twitter account.
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)If angioplasty doesn't work in 2020, let's go for quadruple bypass in 2021. It pays to have a backup plan because Trump weasels out of everything.
Maribelle
(4,783 posts)She will determine what will appear historically regarding the Impeachment of Donald Trump.
How much of Trump's blatant abuse and overt illegal crap do we want in the impeachment book?
DeminPennswoods
(15,278 posts)article of impeachment if or when it comes up for a floor vote. I don't honestly know why they are so uptight, though. No matter what they do, they will be attacked for it. Honestly, they should stop living in their fears.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,566 posts)to represent their constituents. I suggest the moderates check with them and see what they want done. I'll bet the people want a more assertive show of force from the Congress... .
Nitram
(22,791 posts)evidence his investigation collected, then they are neither moderator nor Dems.