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[Omaha Steve]

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[beachbumbob]

1. I always believe that merit should be rewarded, King is correct

We hear no such comments on such matters like sport teams, no demand for diversity for NBA teams. The best is the best is color blind in my opinion

[JonLP24]

3. Sports or especially football

Have problems hiring minority coaches the NBA does a good job even with women in coaching and front office roles. Plus David Stern was behind the WNBA leveling the playing field before it was popular.

Also in sports there is statistical discrimination depending on the position.

Throughout history though when it comes to films there have been more white cast, director, screenwriter, etc while you have snubs. Hollywood is also known for perpetuating stereotypes so they are far from the best industry.

Stephen King's follow up Tweets shows that he gets it that the industry needs to do better.

Link to tweet

[AJT]

2. As long as the opportunity to become the best is not

being suppressed by systemic bigotry then I agree with King. I am hoping that will someday be true.

[PatSeg]

6. Well said

[cstanleytech]

4. Well anything be it books or actors should be judged purely on the quality of the work.

For example take the character of Nick Fury who is white in the marvel comic universe who has been played both by David Hasselhoff and Samuel L. Jackson.
Hasselhoffs version in Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. reeked and he failed completely at the role (in fact I would be happy if we could burn every copy of that movie just to protect future generations from the horror) yet Jackson completely nailed the character 100% entirely later on when he cast in the role for the MCU due to his acting ability.

[still_one]

7. That is the key, and while they are definitely related, they are two seperate issues

[OnlinePoker]

13. Another good example in Marvel is Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse

The main focus of the multiple versions of Spiderman is Miles Morales, a black teen. It may have been an animated version but it was outstanding and didn't detract from the traditional white Peter Parker Spiderman.

[packman]

19. Captain Marvel as a woman ? Sorry, didn't work

Movie wasn't that good either

Shaft as a white dude
Bond as a woman
Captain America as a Englishman

Sorry, stuck in my prejudices and apologize for that, but am too old to give a damn.

[OriginalGeek]

22. Didn't work?

I thought Captain Marvel was a great movie. One of the best from the MCU.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

25. Captain Marvel's been a woman since I was kid. Not sure what the issue with this is. nt

[Devil Child]

5. King is brave to speak openly and honestly

The Twitter-verse is going to try and feed like hungry sharks on his comments.

[jayfish]

8. Good Grief!

[Bayard]

9. He's right

Awards should be based on true merit, not a quota.

I went to see, "Dr. Sleep" (Stephen King book made into a movie) a few months back. The young blonde girl in the book, was played by a young black girl in the movie. She did a great job. I'm sure Stephen was pleased.

[groundloop]

21. HOWEVER, I believe awards are biased based on who is doing the judging

I'm quite certain that a younger black woman, for example, will judge 'quality' differently than an older white male such as Stephen King. What's not addressed in this discussion is whether or not there's enough diversity in the people that make award nominations and who make the final decisions.

[left-of-center2012]

10. I agree, but ...

I expect he will be criticized for his comments.

[Nitram]

11. I agree with King in principle, but it requires a level playing field. Perhaps diversity of those

making the final judgement on "quality" should be a priority.

[quaint]

12. +1

[kimbutgar]

14. I agree with him

[packman]

15. I , too, agree

Some "art" praised for what race, ethnicity, or sex orientation the creator was is wrong. Quality counts.

[JonLP24]

16. That isn't the argument critics were making

Link to tweet

I don't know why we are pretending Hollywood doesn't have problems. There is a reason why he walked it back because he understands.

Link to tweet

Hollywood is known for The Last Samurai starring Tom Cruise.

[packman]

17. I can remember Mickey Rooney /Hollywood getting hell for playing an oriental in 1961

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._Y._Yunioshi

[JonLP24]

18. Hollywood has a long history of Asian stereotypes

That Breakfast in Tiffany's is an example.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_East_Asians_in_the_United_States

[Turin_C3PO]

24. "Oriental"?

You know that term can be considered offensive, right?

[leftyladyfrommo]

20. There are a whole ton of ethically diverse

artists out there who are perfectly capable of being the best based just on their talents. They don't need anyone's help . Their art and their talent stands for itself.

It's kind of insulting for someone to insinuate otherwise.

[Ingersollman]

23. He's

right, you know. The work should be judged on the quality of the work, not on the color of the skin of the person who produced it.

[Hoyt]

26. No real problem with what he said. But, don't have an issue giving someone who overcame

tremendous odds and challenges getting a little consideration in voting, either.