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Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:01 AM

China built a lab to study SARS and Ebola in Wuhan - and US biosafety experts warned in 2017 that a

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Source: Dailymail (UK)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7922379/Chinas-lab-studying-SARS-Ebola-Wuhan-outbreaks-center.html

Scientists warned in 2017 that a SARS-like virus could escape a lab set up that year in Wuhan, China, to study some of the most dangerous pathogens in the world.

Now, a SARS-like coronavirus has infected more than 800 there, spread to at least 10 other countries and killed 25 in Wuhan and nearby provinces.

China installed the first of a planned five to seven biolabs designed for maximum safety in Wuhan in 2017, for the purpose of studying the most high-risk pathogens, including the Ebola and the SARS viruses.

Tim Trevan, a Maryland biosafety consultant, told Nature that year, when the lab was on the cusp of opening, that he worried that China's culture could make the institute unsafe because 'structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important.'

Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7922379/Chinas-lab-studying-SARS-Ebola-Wuhan-outbreaks-center.html



Remember Bird Flu, Swine Flu? Two in my lifetime I've lived thru.


Spanish flu..................

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Reply China built a lab to study SARS and Ebola in Wuhan - and US biosafety experts warned in 2017 that a (Original post)
Throck Jan 2020 OP
Faux pas Jan 2020 #1
Mike 03 Jan 2020 #2
muriel_volestrangler Jan 2020 #6
safeinOhio Jan 2020 #3
Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #5
Throck Jan 2020 #7
safeinOhio Jan 2020 #8
Throck Jan 2020 #21
groundloop Jan 2020 #4
Miguelito Loveless Jan 2020 #9
bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #10
PSPS Jan 2020 #11
IronLionZion Jan 2020 #12
angrychair Jan 2020 #13
IronLionZion Jan 2020 #14
angrychair Jan 2020 #16
IronLionZion Jan 2020 #17
Throck Jan 2020 #19
IronLionZion Jan 2020 #20
Toorich Jan 2020 #15
Throck Jan 2020 #18
Omaha Steve Jan 2020 #22

Response to Throck (Original post)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:16 AM

1. Don't forget

Hong Kong flu! That one almost killed my family.

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Response to Throck (Original post)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:18 AM

2. A second story offering this hypothesis.

I have no idea about the credibility of the source, CCN.

Headline: Scientists Pinpoint 2 Causes Behind China’s Deadly Coronavirus – They’re Both Shocking
Link: https://www.ccn.com/scientists-pinpoint-2-causes-behind-chinas-deadly-coronavirus-theyre-both-shocking/



Cause #1: Bat Eating In Wuhan, 2019-NCoV Found In Snakes Spreading Coronavirus

Cause #2: Potential Leak From A Facility Studying The Virus

Based on the development of the virus and the studies that have emerged in recent weeks, cross-species transmission from bats or snakes to humans is a more likely cause of the Coronavirus than a possible facility leak.

Scientists are reluctant towards completely dismissing a facility leak as a potential cause of the Coronavirus outbreak because of the SARS leak in 2004.


But this article concludes by saying the bat to human transmission route is the more likely of the two theories.

If it escaped the lab, it would somehow have had to jump from an infected monkey into the snake population (?), then to bats (?)

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:42 AM

6. CCN stands for Crypto Currency News

I wouldn't say they're any more or less reliable than a random person on the internet (unless they're trying to sell you something, when they become less reliable).

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Response to Throck (Original post)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:20 AM

3. I use to walk thru old grave yards just to

count the number of young folks that died in 1918. Lots of them.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:37 AM

5. There are two old graveyards in my in-laws' town.

As in an interred Colonel from the French and Indian Wars kind of old, and people are still interred in one of them. The number of gravestones with death dates from September 2018 to December 2018 is remarkable.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:52 AM

7. My wife's grandfather survived the Spanish flu.

He was a kid in an orphanage.

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Response to Throck (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:04 AM

8. My dads mother got it and survived.

He was 5 years old and remembered the folks next door tossing food over the fence for them as no one would come near.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 04:26 PM

21. I've seen a couple of documentaries where isolated towns just plain shut themselves off.

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Response to Throck (Original post)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:21 AM

4. A Sensationalistic and Misleading Headline

Further down in the article:

But, 'at this point there's no reason to harbour suspicions' that the facility had anything to do with the outbreak, besides being responsible for the crucial genome sequencing that lets doctors diagnose it, Rutgers University microbiologist Dr Richard Ebright told DailyMail.com.

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Response to Throck (Original post)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:19 AM

9. Why are we quoting a notorioulsy unreliable

conspiracy-mongering site?

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Response to Throck (Original post)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:22 AM

10. The mere mention of science and the God's Will crowd is nowhere to be found

Surely they have an explanation?

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Response to Throck (Original post)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:41 AM

11. The Daily Mail?

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Response to Throck (Original post)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:53 AM

12. Daily Mail is a British tabloid and not a reliable source for anything

short of fearing foreigners. Asian Brits are facing a lot of discrimination in the UK because of shit like this.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:14 PM

13. Daily mail is questionable

But 1+1=2 is still true.
1) There is a facility there that is specifically studying SARS-like viruses.
2) A SARS like virus outbreak occurs in the very same town/province that never had a issue, obviously, before the facility was built.

While it not conclusive and no one will likely ever have the ability to prove it one way or the other, typically the simplest answer is the most likely.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:23 PM

14. US and British intelligence agencies would probably know the truth

not some tabloid that posts paparazzi bikini photos of celebrities

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 02:12 PM

16. I don't disagree

Again, the tabloid aside, the two items I stated are facts.

While my two stated points are technically circumstantial,
It's also still true that the simplest and most plain answer is typically the right one.

Otherwise, you have to believe that a SARS-like variant just happens to pop up, by coincidence, in the same town/province as a lab specifically created to study SARS viruses.
While yes its possible, it would be a hell of a bizarre coincidence.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 02:16 PM

17. It's certainly possible. And googling it shows it's a common but unproven theory.

They probably test it on animals. And somehow it could have spread to animals outside the lab and people ate it.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 03:27 PM

19. Some government worker making a few Yen on the side.

Grill up some frozen specimens.

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Response to Throck (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 03:53 PM

20. PETA always told us meat is murder

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Response to Throck (Original post)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:53 PM

15. ....the plague never dies....

....or disappears for good.....it can lie dormant for years
it bides it's time.....the day would come when it would rouse up again.

The Plague-Camus

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Response to Toorich (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 03:25 PM

18. The Stand............

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Response to Throck (Original post)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 08:43 PM

22. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING

This is analysis, not LBN.

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