Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:50 PM
empedocles (15,751 posts)
'First Quarter GDP May Be as low as !.2, but stocks don't seem to care'This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by NancyBlueINOklahoma (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum). . Read more: Link to source Hmmmm? Pretty huge drop. Given the impact of world, as well as US markets. Something happening here.
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empedocles | Feb 2020 | OP |
rickford66 | Feb 2020 | #1 | |
DBoon | Feb 2020 | #10 | |
empedocles | Feb 2020 | #17 | |
sandensea | Feb 2020 | #2 | |
empedocles | Feb 2020 | #3 | |
onenote | Feb 2020 | #4 | |
Tactical Peek | Feb 2020 | #11 | |
Brainfodder | Feb 2020 | #5 | |
AtheistCrusader | Feb 2020 | #6 | |
Brainfodder | Feb 2020 | #7 | |
empedocles | Feb 2020 | #16 | |
onenote | Feb 2020 | #9 | |
bucolic_frolic | Feb 2020 | #8 | |
onenote | Feb 2020 | #12 | |
Warpy | Feb 2020 | #13 | |
IronLionZion | Feb 2020 | #14 | |
Kaiserguy | Feb 2020 | #15 | |
OKNancy | Feb 2020 | #18 |
Response to empedocles (Original post)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:56 PM
rickford66 (5,122 posts)
1. Are stock prices being fueled by the corp tax cuts ?
Maybe all the corp execs haven't finished exercising all their stock options yet.
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Response to rickford66 (Reply #1)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:31 PM
DBoon (20,672 posts)
10. fewer companies are publicly traded
and ones who are have been using their windfall from tax cuts to buy back stock (of course they are not investing the tax cuts, that's just a fairy tale)
There are fewer equities trading but much more money in the 1% to spend on equities, so the price skyrockets. |
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Response to DBoon (Reply #10)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:37 PM
empedocles (15,751 posts)
17. Foreign investment is huge. In the trillions.
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Response to empedocles (Original post)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:00 PM
sandensea (18,305 posts)
2. The Trump slump
We're in a massive corporate debt bubble - and P/E ratios are at 2007 levels.
Expect a "correction" in the next few months. |
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Response to empedocles (Original post)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:00 PM
empedocles (15,751 posts)
3. Yep. Special cuts to promote buybacks of stocks, for which execs
who have stock options are making fortunes from the rising price of their corporate stock.
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Response to empedocles (Original post)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:10 PM
onenote (39,035 posts)
4. According to whom? Link to a source?
The Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank's most recent projection of the first quarter GDP has it at around 2.7. That's probably overly optimistic, but 1.2 is probably overly pessimistic.
https://www.frbatlanta.org/cqer/research/gdpnow Which may be why "stocks don't care." |
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Response to onenote (Reply #4)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:31 PM
Tactical Peek (1,127 posts)
11. Survey of 11 forecasters
"A CNBC survey of 11 forecasters over the weekend finds first quarter GDP estimates averaging just 1.2%, down nearly a point from the fourth quarter. Deutsche Bank shaved 0.3% off its first quarter number due to the coronavirus effects and 0.4% because of Boeing." https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/10/first-quarter-us-gdp-may-be-as-low-as-1point2percent-because-of-coronavirus-but-stocks-dont-seem-to-care.html |
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Response to empedocles (Original post)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:17 PM
Brainfodder (5,456 posts)
5. Long over due correction(s)?
Probably inflated by all the wealthy folks having so much $ and battling with all the generic investment apparatuses for best prices, thus the gamesmanship of evil that man created is bloated almost like some guy we know?
Jan 21st just can't get here soon enough! |
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Response to Brainfodder (Reply #5)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:19 PM
AtheistCrusader (33,982 posts)
6. We're due for a massive correction, regardless of whom occupies the White House on Jan 21st.
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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #6)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:24 PM
Brainfodder (5,456 posts)
7. YUP! But if wishing, how about 7/4/2020 for the Super Crash!
The damage done from it though, we will rise better off, so I keep that in mind.
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Response to Brainfodder (Reply #7)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:35 PM
empedocles (15,751 posts)
16. Some of the 'doctrinaire' elliottwavers were predicting from last year, a 7/2020
market top for the S&P as I recall.
[The 'doctrinaire' rely on Fibonacci numbers. Many elliottwavers try and improve profitability by adjusting EW targets with various other indicators, sometimes many indicators]. |
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Response to Brainfodder (Reply #5)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:29 PM
onenote (39,035 posts)
9. No. Just analysts claiming that the coronavirus will drive down the GDP between now and end of March
They also predict a rebound in the second quarter.
Seems pretty speculative at this point. The Atlanta Fed, as of Friday, was still projecting a 2.7 GDP, which probably is overly optimistic. But 1.2 is probably overly pessimistic. |
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Response to empedocles (Original post)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:27 PM
bucolic_frolic (35,325 posts)
8. IMPOTUS can't keep the Obama economy going, massive failure /nt
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Response to empedocles (Original post)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:34 PM
onenote (39,035 posts)
12. Here's the link that the OP didn't provide. Prediction based on coronavirus impact
The posts in this thread are taking the prediction of 1.2% GDP growth in the first quarter (which isn't even half over yet), as being based on some market correction or crash that will continue through the year. In fact, if one bothered to look for and find the article on which the OP is based, one would see that the prediction flow from some analysts projection of the impact of the coronavirus and Boeing's problems and that the GDP will rebound by the second quarter:
"Concern about the coronavirus is weighing heavily on the outlook for first quarter growth and some forecasters suggest the equity market is not taking the threat as seriously as the bond market. A CNBC survey of 11 forecasters over the weekend finds first quarter GDP estimates averaging just 1.2%, down nearly a point from the fourth quarter. Economists see a bounce back to 2% growth in the second quarter, depending on the severity of the virus both in China and in other countries." https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/10/first-quarter-us-gdp-may-be-as-low-as-1point2percent-because-of-coronavirus-but-stocks-dont-seem-to-care.html |
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Response to empedocles (Original post)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:44 PM
Warpy (105,759 posts)
13. Stocks don't seem to care because of that reckless tax cut
especially to corporations. They're doing massive stock buybacks, pumping the price for the executives and the major stockholders. The stock market is now completely divorced from the larger economy, which is not doing well.
The OP forgot the link, https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/10/first-quarter-us-gdp-may-be-as-low-as-1point2percent-because-of-coronavirus-but-stocks-dont-seem-to-care.html |
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Response to empedocles (Original post)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:59 PM
IronLionZion (41,466 posts)
14. Stocks love low interest rates and big tax cuts
it's artificially propped up. The next president will inherit a flaming pile of garbage and be blamed for it.
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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #14)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:12 PM
Kaiserguy (740 posts)
15. Isn't that always the GOP plan
Wreck the economy every time they are in power. Then use that as a reason to keep us from doing anything that helps the people plus blame us for the wreck. To many of the American people keep on buying there BS.
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Response to empedocles (Original post)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:19 PM
OKNancy (41,832 posts)
18. No link provided - locking
Sorry, I messaged you and you didn't edit, so time to lock.
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