Iran's Ahmadinejad says that Israel will be 'eliminated'

[oberliner]

Source: Christian Science Monitor

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Monday disregarded a U.N. warning to avoid incendiary rhetoric and declared ahead of the annual General Assembly session that Israel has no roots in the Middle East and would be "eliminated."

In remarks to reporters in New York, he also said he does not take seriously the threat that Israel could launch a military strike against Iran's nuclear facilities, denied sending arms into Syria, and called economic conditions in his sanctions-hit country "not as bad as they are portrayed."

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has hinted Israel could strike Iran's nuclear sites and has criticized U.S. President Barack Obama's position that sanctions and diplomacy should be given more time to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.


Read more: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0924/Iran-s-Ahmadinejad-says-that-Israel-will-be-eliminated

[MotherPetrie]

1. Ahmadinejad is really doing Netanyahu's work for him.

[Junkdrawer]

12. They need each other...

Takes two to Tango...

[formercia]

14. Co-dependent Relationship

They would make a good Couple.

[Liberalagogo]

26. I thought

that there were no gay people in Iran?

[hrmjustin]

53. I think they kill them there. n/t

[Posteritatis]

2. "...This is a recording." (nt)

[nanabugg]

3. I suggest that one read the entire transcript for one's self. Misleading and incendiary title

Read carefully the context as well as the content. No need to add to an already treacherous situation. Below is a segment of the actual transcript:

"We don't even count them as any part of any equation for Iran. During a historical phase, they represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated," Ahmadinejad added.

[Ash_F]

4. No thanks nanabugg, we only read headlines here. /nt

[nichomachus]

6. Thank you

"Eliminated" referred to "disturbances" and not Israel

But any excuse for some people to beat the drums of war.

[Behind the Aegis]

20. Israel is the "disturbance."

[Ash_F]

23. Says you.

Anyway, more from the article:

"The nuclear issue is not a problem. But the approach of the United States on Iran is important. We are ready for dialogue, for a fundamental resolution of the problems, but under conditions that are based on fairness and mutual respect."

"We are not expecting a 33-year-old problem between the United States and Iran to be resolved in a speedy fashion. But there is no other way besides dialogue," Ahmadinejad said.

Doesn't sound like saber-rattling or someone itching to start a war.

[Behind the Aegis]

34. Says Ahmadinejad and basic reading skills.

[Ash_F]

37. You are the one missing basic reading skills

Or perhaps there is a narrative you want to believe that you so choose to ignore them?

[Behind the Aegis]

42. Or is it your narrative?

Define "they" in the quote. That is the "disturbances" needing elimination. The "they" is Israel. Why continue to deny what was clearly said? Why do you choes to ignore the obvious?

[Ash_F]

44. My posting history on the subject shows otherwise.

Yours however, is pretty one dimensional.

[Behind the Aegis]

45. Actually, now you are projecting.

If you are so "multi-dimensional" then you would be able to easily admit that the "disturbances to be eliminated" include Israel. You seem only interested in personal attacks and accusations, not actually dealing with the truth of the matter.

[Ash_F]

58. So are CBS's fact checkers pushing a narrative too?

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/24/14073152-pugnacious-iranian-president-rips-israel-us-ahead-of-final-un-speech?chromedomain=usnews&lite

"But while Reuters quoted Ahmadinejad as calling for Israel to be “eliminated,” the official translation of his remarks indicated that he steered clear of the fiery rhetoric he is best known for.
Reminded that he was quoted as saying several years ago that Israel should be wiped off the map, the Iranian president responded that he only wants Iran's neighbor to change its behavior. “We say occupation must be done away with," he said. "We say war seeking and war mongering must be eliminated. We say threats must be eliminated. Threatening manners and ways must be eliminated. Destroying people’s homes on the head of their wives and children must be done away with and eliminated. "

If you cared about the truth of the matter, you would have noted how Reuters used a separated quote and had been immediately skeptical as I had been. So yes, YOUR narrative.

Also the right wing's narrative.

[Behind the Aegis]

61. LOL! He was "misquoted". How classic.

He must be getting hints from Romney.

[Ash_F]

62. So CBS is wrong, Reuters is right?

It's ok man, I don't support this guy either.


But the truth matters.

[Behind the Aegis]

64. Apparently not to some.

indeed.

[kwassa]

59. You chopped off the beginning of the quote to change the meaning.

full quote

"We don't even count them as any part of any equation for Iran. During a historical phase, they represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated,"

Israel represents minimal disturbances that have already been eliminated.

This is past tense. Israel is still here. Minimal disturbances are not.

[Behind the Aegis]

63. Incorrect. You are playing around with the wording.

Here is the quote from the piece:

"We do believe that they have found themselves at a dead end and they are seeking new adventures in order to escape this dead end. Iran will not be damaged with foreign bombs," Ahmadinejad said, referring to Israel.

"We don't even count them as any part of any equation for Iran. During a historical phase, they represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated," Ahmadinejad added.

Do you see that "referring to Israel?" Do you SEE IT?! Then the next line, the "them" and "they" represent ISRAEL (in part). The "disturbances" refer back to the the "them/they" and what does the the "them/they" refer to?! Oh yeah...ISRAEL! This is not difficult to understand. You even seem to be alluding you understand this concept. Then YOU change the tense. What he is using is the conditional future tense.

[Ash_F]

65. You are looking at Reuters' writing

Which CSM cribbed. I am sorry but I trust CBS over Reuters. Who do you trust?

[cpwm17]

21. Ahmadinejad never said that "Israel should be wiped off the map."

A lie repeated here by the Christian Science Monitor. A red flag should go up every time you see that hoax repeated.

[Canuckistanian]

40. It was a misquote from Ayatollah Khomeini

The most accurate quote translated from Farsi (the original language of the quote) was, "Israel should vanish from the page of time"

Shiraz Dossa, a professor of Political Science at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia, Canada, also believes the text is a mistranslation.[22]

Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation – "wipe Israel off the map" – suggests a military threat. There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations. The notion that Iran can "wipe out" U.S.-backed, nuclear-armed Israel is ludicrous.[23][24][25]

The Ayatollah was referring to the regime of the occupiers of Palestine. NOT Israel in particular, but rather the current government in Israel at the time. Which, undoubtedly, describes the current government.
In NO WAY does it say Israel itself should be eliminated as a state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel

[dkf]

56. This is what he said:

"If a group comes and occupies the United States of America, destroys homes while women and children are in those homes, incarcerate the youth of America, impose five different wars on many neighbors, and always threaten others, what would you do? What would you say? Would you help it? ... Or would you help the people of the United States?" Ahmadinejad asked in response to whether Israel should be "wiped off" the face of the map, as he once said.

"So when we say 'to be wiped,' we say for occupation to be wiped off from this world. For war-seeking to (be) wiped off and eradicated, the killing of women and children to be eradicated. And we propose the way. We propose the path. The path is to recognize the right of the Palestinians to self-governance."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/24/world/meast/iran-ahmadinejad-interview/

[Viva_La_Revolution]

22. yep, they do this every time with the translations

I knew it as soon as I saw just 'eliminated' in quotes

[cali]

47. oh this is such bullshit

look, despite those, who for some mysterious reason, claim that he never said that Israel will be eliminated, he's said it in varying ways repeatedly.

[Ash_F]

52. Actually, this is bullshit.

look, despite those, who for some mysterious reason, claim that he said that Israel will be eliminated, he's never said it. Ever.

[dkf]

57. How do you interpret this?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/24/world/meast/iran-ahmadinejad-interview/

"If a group comes and occupies the United States of America, destroys homes while women and children are in those homes, incarcerate the youth of America, impose five different wars on many neighbors, and always threaten others, what would you do? What would you say? Would you help it? ... Or would you help the people of the United States?" Ahmadinejad asked in response to whether Israel should be "wiped off" the face of the map, as he once said.

"So when we say 'to be wiped,' we say for occupation to be wiped off from this world. For war-seeking to (be) wiped off and eradicated, the killing of women and children to be eradicated. And we propose the way. We propose the path. The path is to recognize the right of the Palestinians to self-governance."

[Bad_Ronald]

5. Obviously a mistranslation.

A prince of a man like this, who stands at the head of such an equitable & just society, would NEVER, EVER utter such virulent hokum. Obviously this is an attempt by war-mongering Christo-Fascist propaganda organs (& their corporate puppets masters) to incite hatred against this proven pillar of humanism.

Now if this were Tim Tebow, I'd believe every single word of it.

[Ash_F]

7. Obviously then we must lie as much as possible

Since we are unhappy with the countries policies, all bets are off and the truth doesn't matter. Just say whatever.

[Bad_Ronald]

9. Where's the lie?

You mean, he didn't say this? Whew! That's a relief. I was about to throw out my collection Ahmadinejad bobble-heads.

[Ash_F]

10. It's ok for you to admit you didn't read the article.

[davidthegnome]

33. Try reading this

""The nuclear issue is not a problem. But the approach of the United States on Iran is important. We are ready for dialogue, for a fundamental resolution of the problems, but under conditions that are based on fairness and mutual respect."

"We are not expecting a 33-year-old problem between the United States and Iran to be resolved in a speedy fashion. But there is no other way besides dialogue," Ahmadinejad said. "

Oh - and also what Ahmadinejad (wow that's a hard name to spell, glad someone else did it for me) actually said:


"We don't even count them as any part of any equation for Iran. During a historical phase, they represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated," Ahmadinejad added."

I believe the point that the other posters are making is that the title of the OP is misleading. He wasn't talking about wiping Israel off the map or being completely eliminated.

There is plenty of REAL sabre rattling going on - why make shit up?

[leveymg]

8. Pissing into the wind, and just about as newsworthy. Not real LBN, but OP gets to score a point.

Ahmadinejad obviously gets a kick out flame bait, and so does the OP.

[darkangel218]

11. Maybe the OPs should do their homework

Before copping and pasting untrue war propaganda from Christian newspapers.

Just saying.

[Ash_F]

15. Look who the OP is.

This poster has one dimension.

[cali]

49. the op is a long time DUer

and though I've certainly had disagreements with the op, he/she certainly is not one dimensional. Who the hell are you, dear?

[Ash_F]

50. I've been here since 2001, dear. /nt

[Ash_F]

60. PS - If the OP was interested in posting something other than RW sensationalism...

They can tack on the CBS article from post #58, which counters the CSM article, to their post.




It's not too late.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

16. Actually, the Christian Science Monitor has a good reputation for being unbiased.

Every so often they unload a bombshell like this but during the Bush Years they reported a lot of facts the rest of media ignored and I used to take great delight posting links to their coverage of events to Right Wingers.

[Ash_F]

17. Yeah, I guess CSM is not the worst. This is a bad editor's headline

Forced on the writer of the article to garner more clicks.

[iandhr]

13. Ahmadinejad says something nutty.

I am shocked.

[azurnoir]

18. another take on this "Ahmadinejad: Israel has no roots in Middle East"

Iran does not take Israeli threats of attack seriously, but is prepared to defend itself, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Monday.

The leader of the islamic republic made his comments as reports in the country's English-language Press TVsuggested that Iran successfully test-fired a domestically made anti-aircraft system.
................................................................

Speaking to journlists on Monday Ahmadinejad said: "Fundamentally we do not take seriously the threats of the Zionists ... we have all the defensive means at our disposal and we are ready to defend ourselves," Ahmadinejad told reporters in New York, where he is due to attend the UN General Assembly.

"While we are fully ready to defend ourselves, we do not take such threats seriously," he said.
..................................................................................

Ahmadinejad said Iran has been around for thousands of years, but Israel has existed for only 60 or 70 years. He said that for a certain "historical phase" Israel represents a disturbance for Iran and "they are then eliminated."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4285579,00.html

[AntiFascist]

30. The US has only been around 236 years...

and look at the damage caused in Mesopotamia. He needs to take the threats by the neocons seriously.

[RandiFan1290]

19. 0/10

[Spitfire of ATJ]

24. He's saying SANCTIONS are "minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated"

NOT that Israel will be eliminated.

This is like when they claimed he wanted to wipe Israel off the map when he actually said history has shown that extremist governments come and go.

[oberliner]

38. Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map (Iran Republic Broadcasting Agency)

Tehran, Oct 26 - Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday called for Israel to be "wiped off the map".

"The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," the President told a conference in Tehran entitled 'the world without Zionism'.

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land," he said.

"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to the late founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Imam Khomeini.

Addressing some 4,000 students gathered in an interior ministry conference hall, Ahmadinejad also called for Palestinian unity, resistance and a point where the annihilation of the Zionist regime will come.

"The Islamic umma (community) will not allow its historic enemy to live in its heartland," he said.

Regarding the Zionist regime's retreat from the Gaza Strip he said, "we should not settle for a piece of land".

"Anyone who signs a treaty which recognises the entity of Israel means he has signed the surrender of the Muslim world," Ahmadinejad said.

"Any leaders in the Islamic umma who recognise Israel face the wrath of their own people."

http://web.archive.org/web/20070927213903/http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=200247

That's the original "wiped off the map" article from 2007. It's from an Iranian state-run news source.

[zellie]

39. I bet no one cares.

Mahmoud can threaten Israel 10,000 more times and no one cares.

But heaven forbid Israel stands up for itself , watch the sparks fly.

Time to remind him of what happens if he flips the bird to the world and the IAEA.

Stay real low Mahmoud .

[RandiFan1290]

41. Yawn. Tough talk

Just more lip flapping from wacko right wingers. It gets old.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

54. Face it, part of it is wanting to put down those uppity sand ni**ers.

And the assumption that the United State will go along with everything they do.

What they don't get is that Romney doesn't know anything about it because to him, "the Holy Land" is in Joseph Smith's back yard.

[FrodosPet]

66. Iran Republic Broadcasting Agency

I think that is either a mistranslation or the Iran Republic Broadcasting Agency is a CIA backed Christian Dominionist organization trying to discredit and embarrass President Ahmadinejad.

What he really said is, "We respectfully request the proud and noble State Of Israel to retreat from areas outside of the original 1948 borders set by the United Nations' Palestinian Mandate. This will allow us to have a much more friendly and prosperous relationship with our Jewish friends."

(I'm not even going to bother with the dripping sarcasm thingie)

[madrchsod]

25. the puppet speaks!

the boys behind the curtain may be getting nervous. the arab spring is`t going away...

[Purveyor]

27. Well this thread didn't work out so well for ya, eh? eom

[Scootaloo]

28. ...And?

He's been saying this for six years. He has no more military authority now than he did then. Whoopty poop

[treestar]

29. Hot air as usual

There is no reason to react.

[Cali_Democrat]

31. Meh

He's been saying this for years.

[slackmaster]

32. September 21, 2012 - De-Mining Exercise Begins off Iran's Coast

The United States Navy's Carrier Strike Group Eight just happens to be in the area.

What a coincidence!

MANAMA, Bahrain, Sept. 21 (UPI) -- A massive mine-sweeping exercise involving 30 countries is under way on the seas around Bahrain, say military officials.

The maneuvers are intended as a show of force to Iran, which Western countries are trying to convince to be more transparent about its nuclear program, CNN reported Friday.

The 2-week-long exercise will involve surface ships, aircraft, underwater ordnance disposal dive teams and even remotely operated submersibles.

U.S. military officials said the exercises are strictly defensive, noting that more than 500 ships sail through the Strait of Hormuz every week....

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2012/09/21/De-mining-exercise-begins-off-Irans-coast/UPI-69091348241922/#ixzz27QANyuGx

[Vidar]

35. Playing right into that asshole Netanyahu's hands.

[elbloggoZY27]

36. Intolerance at the Lowest Level

As I am sure the Iranian President is talking about the State of Israel voted on by the United Nations in 1948.

However, the real Israelites go back to the time of Abraham and his message from G-D who created the Universe and goes back to a time of thousands of years not some 70 that the President has spewed out.

His ugly comments are better heard then blocked since they are so insensitive and extremely intolerant of another's Religious beliefs.

As a point of fact I condemn the recent ugly comments and video directed toward the Muslim Prophet.

[davidthegnome]

43. Please read the other posts in this thread.

What was actually said is being misrepresented - I suspect deliberately. Or, here, I posted this earlier:

""The nuclear issue is not a problem. But the approach of the United States on Iran is important. We are ready for dialogue, for a fundamental resolution of the problems, but under conditions that are based on fairness and mutual respect."

"We are not expecting a 33-year-old problem between the United States and Iran to be resolved in a speedy fashion. But there is no other way besides dialogue," Ahmadinejad said. "

Oh - and also what Ahmadinejad (wow that's a hard name to spell, glad someone else did it for me) actually said:


"We don't even count them as any part of any equation for Iran. During a historical phase, they represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated," Ahmadinejad added."

I'm no fan of Ahmadinejad, but I am a fan of more honest journalism. The title of this article is misleading.

[Behind the Aegis]

46. The disturbances is Israel.

There is a game being played and isn't the journalists this time.

[fascisthunter]

48. let's get the coockoo birds out of power

people always seem to have to die for their type.

[jpbollma]

51. Israel

has no place in Middle East history!? LMAO, the school system really sucks in Iran I guess.

[hrmjustin]

55. I thought the same thing. n/t