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Omaha Steve

(99,487 posts)
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 07:32 AM Feb 2020

Sanders edges Buttigieg in NH, giving Dems 2 front-runners

Source: AP

By STEVE PEOPLES, KATHLEEN RONAYNE and HUNTER WOODALL

MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — Bernie Sanders won New Hampshire’s presidential primary, edging moderate rival Pete Buttigieg and scoring the first clear victory in the Democratic Party’s chaotic 2020 nomination fight.

In his Tuesday night win, the 78-year-old Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, beat back a strong challenge from the 38-year-old former mayor of South Bend, Indiana. The dueling Democrats represent different generations, see divergent paths to the nomination and embrace conflicting visions of America’s future.

As Sanders and Buttigieg celebrated, Amy Klobuchar scored an unexpected third-place finish that gives her a road out of New Hampshire as the primary season moves on to the string of state-by-state contests that lie ahead.

Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden posted disappointing fourth and fifth place finishes respectively and were on track to finish with zero delegates from the state.



Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., with his wife Jane O'Meara Sanders, arrives to speak to supporters at a primary night election rally in Manchester, N.H., Tuesday, Feb. 11, 2020. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)


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After waiting all night for final numbers (3% have not reported yet) I decided to post this for our morning readers. When that 3% reports this post will be updated.
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Sanders edges Buttigieg in NH, giving Dems 2 front-runners (Original Post) Omaha Steve Feb 2020 OP
Self Described Socialist..... McKim Feb 2020 #1
Unflattering photo? SergeStorms Feb 2020 #3
I like that photo of Bernie democrattotheend Feb 2020 #11
Well, Bernie Sanders told us that Identity Politics don't matter, remember? He insulted anyone who She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #18
Wasn't this supposed to be a landslide for Sanders? SergeStorms Feb 2020 #2
RCP average had Sanders at a 7.4% advantage OnlinePoker Feb 2020 #4
Yup, she was a winner last night obamanut2012 Feb 2020 #6
Amy set a new DU fundraising record yesterday Omaha Steve Feb 2020 #7
95% of DU contributions & a one day surge, I find this very odd. Sunlei Feb 2020 #13
I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING BERNIE SANDERS SAYS! NOT. ONE. WORD. She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Feb 2020 #22
Not really. Slept like a baby. :) She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #23
Thanks for post. Obama warned Ds about this "circular firing squad" oddness. Sunlei Feb 2020 #24
Listen: I just don't trust Sanders due to his behavior, due to his divisiveness and pettiness. She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #25
Which means that, as I expected, Sanders is in trouble. It really was Amy and Pete's night. She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #20
EXACTLY!! I think he's done, no matter what his deranged supporters say. She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #19
I want him to jimfields33 Feb 2020 #26
I couldn't agree more. But remember that superdelegates can change their minds at any time. She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #28
All valid points. jimfields33 Feb 2020 #29
Deranged?????? McKim Feb 2020 #33
No one is a front runner after only IA and NH obamanut2012 Feb 2020 #5
My sentiments exactly. WhiteTara Feb 2020 #9
My sentiments, as well. Maribelle Feb 2020 #15
Bernie's got the Hispanic vote completely jimfields33 Feb 2020 #30
So, Amy Klobuchopped Liver??? True Blue Drew Feb 2020 #8
There's only one, according to betting odds sites and Nate Siver Polybius Feb 2020 #10
who is the 3rd? LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #12
Bernie, Pete, and Amy Sapient Donkey Feb 2020 #34
a 5th place & 3rd place finish makes you a front runner? LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #36
Why Biden and Bloomberg? Sapient Donkey Feb 2020 #37
Biden & Bloomberg LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #38
Thanks for posting DUs one LBN final results. 48 more to go! Sunlei Feb 2020 #14
This doesn't tell me a lot. Scruffy1 Feb 2020 #16
This is NOT good news for Bernie Sanders, no matter how much the media or his supporters She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #17
I Thought the latest SC polls show Sanders closing in on Biden. OneCrazyDiamond Feb 2020 #39
He will lead in delegates after Nevada jimfields33 Feb 2020 #27
Nevada is a caucus state and Sanders does well in caucus states, but don't discount Buttigieg She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #31
Yeah right. Nevada is very diverse. jimfields33 Feb 2020 #32
I'm DYING laughing 😂😂 TXPaganBanker Feb 2020 #35

McKim

(2,412 posts)
1. Self Described Socialist.....
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:47 AM
Feb 2020

Self described socialist.....hmmmmm....not Senator Sanders and including an unflattering photo.
You can always count on the AP to be objective!

I am shocked that the women did not do better. Warren and Klobuchar are candidates of real substance. This is tragic, a waste of real talent. I hope they find a place in the new cabinet!!!!

SergeStorms

(19,146 posts)
3. Unflattering photo?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:52 AM
Feb 2020

I don't think so. At least the media didn't do a 'Howard Dean' on Senator Sanders.

 
18. Well, Bernie Sanders told us that Identity Politics don't matter, remember? He insulted anyone who
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:37 PM
Feb 2020

isn't white, male, and straight.

Honestly, I cannot understand why women, LGBTQ, or minorities support the Donald J. Trump of the Political Left.

Klobuchar actually did o.k. in NH. I don't know what happening with Elizabeth Warren.

SergeStorms

(19,146 posts)
2. Wasn't this supposed to be a landslide for Sanders?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:50 AM
Feb 2020

He being the local New Englander etc. They did win, but I'd be somewhat concerned if I were in the Sanders camp. This was a definite under-perform, and the primaries only get more difficult for everyone from here on.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
13. 95% of DU contributions & a one day surge, I find this very odd.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:41 PM
Feb 2020

Had to log on, it's been a long while. The surge of Amy Klobuchar in the 2 primaries I also found odd. Now with these donations, 12k!? on DU where in the primaries forum she doesn't even have a percent of supporters.

It's not unknown for 'the other party' to game the political system to their advantage. President Trump even mentioned a couple times at his rally & implied r-s should vote in D primary. Now these donations 'out of the sky'. I'm very suspicious the same people who hacked DU last GE are hard at work with their manipulations of our next election. Soon 'someone' will back a couple spoilers as independent to drain away more D votes in the GE just like the 6% of votes Clinton lost. I feel bad for Biden and Warren, Ds deserve a fair primary and I don't think they're getting one.

Sanders has said this at every campaign stop.."No matter who wins the primary" "We are going to unite together and defeat the most dangerous president in the modern history of this country."

Response to She_Totally_Gets_It (Reply #21)

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
24. Thanks for post. Obama warned Ds about this "circular firing squad" oddness.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:55 PM
Feb 2020
Barack Obama warned on Saturday that US progressives risk creating a “circular firing squad” at a time when prospective presidential candidates are competing fiercely against each other to run against Donald Trump.
 
25. Listen: I just don't trust Sanders due to his behavior, due to his divisiveness and pettiness.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:59 PM
Feb 2020

I understand what President Obama is saying and fully agree, but Sanders is the antithesis of that.

 
20. Which means that, as I expected, Sanders is in trouble. It really was Amy and Pete's night.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:40 PM
Feb 2020

Let's get out of the small, lily white states and see what the true reflection of the Democratic Party has to say. If Sanders comes out on top, I'll eat my words. But I seriously doubt it.

jimfields33

(15,668 posts)
26. I want him to
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:07 PM
Feb 2020

But super delegates will change the game and Bloomberg is buying the nomination. So those two items definitely hurt Bernie. The thing is Bloomberg will hurt them all eventually. And no I’m not happy about that at all.

 
28. I couldn't agree more. But remember that superdelegates can change their minds at any time.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:17 PM
Feb 2020

I have to believe that if they witness this type of thing going on with Bloomberg trying to buy the nomination, they'll put an end to it.

Also, Bloomberg is currently in trouble in the South with his racist audio clip that's being played in markets in SC and GA. Black voters will never forgive him for Stop-n-Frisk or failing to make good on the innocent Central Park Five.

I just don't see Sanders doing well going forward. I could be wrong, but I simply don't see it.

Steyer has gained ground in SC but that's partly because he's actually trying to earn the black vote. Where is Bernie Sanders? Is he even trying to do better among black voters? Does he even care? My guess is no.

jimfields33

(15,668 posts)
29. All valid points.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:22 PM
Feb 2020

He’s hopefully in Nevada. He’s doing well there and needs the win. Hispanics are all in for Bernie. I know African Americans are a big percentage, but Hispanics are getting bigger everyday. I’d love to know the percentage of Hispanic democratic voters. I’d say they are on the close to the numbers that African Americans have.

obamanut2012

(26,041 posts)
5. No one is a front runner after only IA and NH
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:35 AM
Feb 2020

Two small, very, very white states.

And, Klobuchar is who gained traction yesterday in NH.

Super Tuesday has a much more diverse slate of states, and that's when things will really start shaking out.

Maribelle

(4,783 posts)
15. My sentiments, as well.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:20 PM
Feb 2020

There are too many candidates to consider the small percentages separating them as equaling 'front runner status'. 26% is a paltry amount.

jimfields33

(15,668 posts)
30. Bernie's got the Hispanic vote completely
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:23 PM
Feb 2020

He just needs to bring in a few more African Americans to vote for him and he has this.

Polybius

(15,330 posts)
10. There's only one, according to betting odds sites and Nate Siver
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 10:46 AM
Feb 2020

We'll see if it changes, next is Nevada I think.

 

LeftTurn3623

(628 posts)
36. a 5th place & 3rd place finish makes you a front runner?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:41 PM
Feb 2020

Pete is only considered a front runner cause he has the most delegates right now. If you even go by that Amy is in 4th.

But lets be honest, the front runners in the general are Sanders & Biden if you want to add a 3rd that would be Bloomberg waiting in the wings.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
37. Why Biden and Bloomberg?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:44 PM
Feb 2020

But I see your point about Amy. She does have one less than Warren and basing it solely on her success last night probably is premature.

Scruffy1

(3,252 posts)
16. This doesn't tell me a lot.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:34 PM
Feb 2020

New hampshire is a very small state in population with very little urban votes and nearly completely white non hispanic. The rubber will meet the road next month. With the front runners hovering around 25% there is a lot of open territory.

 
17. This is NOT good news for Bernie Sanders, no matter how much the media or his supporters
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:34 PM
Feb 2020

attempt to spin the results. Why do I say this? Split decisions in IA and NH--New Hampshire being the neighboring state of VT, and both states being lily white and not a fair representation of the Democratic Party.

But why is this bad for Bernie Sanders?

A. He now has nationwide name recognition, but split the vote with a no-name newcomer Buttigieg in IA and squeezed by in NH.

B. SC polls don't look good for Sanders. Why? It is a TRUE representation of the Democratic Party. Black voters are not supporting Sanders. Period. SC has a wealth of delegates up for grabs.

C. Buttigieg still leads in delegate counts. So if Bernie Sanders expected to solidify his supposed "momentum," this ain't it.

D. If Sanders performs poorly in SC, for me, it's over for him.

OneCrazyDiamond

(2,031 posts)
39. I Thought the latest SC polls show Sanders closing in on Biden.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:40 PM
Feb 2020

Not winning but within like 5%. I could be wrong.

jimfields33

(15,668 posts)
27. He will lead in delegates after Nevada
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:10 PM
Feb 2020

However, I find it weird that everyone says one state does not make a primary except South Carolina for some weird reason. Bernie can lose South Carolina and still be ok. Just like mayor Pete lost New Hampshire and is ok.

 
31. Nevada is a caucus state and Sanders does well in caucus states, but don't discount Buttigieg
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:24 PM
Feb 2020

or even Klobuchar.

South Carolina has 54 delegates. Nevada has 36. What are you talking about? You're writing off South Carolina--a state that is much more diverse and representative of the Democratic Party. Why are you doing this? Because there's black and brown voters that we know Sanders doesn't care about?

It is still anyone's race through Super Tuesday, and with the number of southern, more diverse states coming up, I don't see how Sanders pulls it off. Black voters also remember how he and his wife insulted them in 2016. We didn't fall for Sanders then and we won't now.

TXPaganBanker

(210 posts)
35. I'm DYING laughing 😂😂
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:16 PM
Feb 2020

It may just be me, but writers need to learn the difference between "Sanders edges Buttigieg" and "Sanders edges out Buttigieg". Because there is a HUGE difference.

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