Man arrested for threatening to kill Schiff, Schumer over impeachment

[Judi Lynn]

Source: ABC News


He's charged with threatening to assault and murder federal officials.
By
Aaron Katersky
February 19, 2020, 3:57 PM
4 min read

A Western New York man was arrested Wednesday on charges that he threatened to kill Rep. Adam Schiff and Sen. Chuck Schumer.

Salvatore Lippa, 57, of Greece, New York, was charged with threatening to assault and murder a federal official on account of the performance of their official duties.

According to the criminal complaint, on Jan. 23, Schiff's Washington, D.C., office received a threatening voicemail that included a death threat.

Lippa started the threatening message by calling the congressman "Schiff, Shifty Schiff," invoking the nickname used by President Donald Trump for Schiff, the lead House manager during Trump's impeachment trial.


Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/man-arrested-threatening-kill-schiff-schumer-impeachment/story?id=69077522

[Nikki28]

1. Imagine

of this was Obama's fan who threatened Trump for doing his duly elected duties.What would be done with this man? The judge needs to make an example out of this person for all who threaten any official.I hope Adam has body guards around him. Trump has got to go. Looks like the only Republican who has any morals is Romney. Sad.

[Jedi Guy]

15. Trump would have to be duly elected first, and do his duly elected duties, second.

As is, he just lies constantly and embarrasses us on the world stage.

Well, he does golf too, I guess.

[eggplant]

24. He lies and embarrasses us on the golf course, too.

[barbtries]

2. but trump doesn't incite violence

no not at all.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

17. Trump is a mob boss.

Michael Cohen explained this at his Congressional hearing.

Trump doesn't come out and say, "I want this person killed." He makes the person seem sub-human by giving him childish nicknames, and blames him for all his woes -- and by extension, those of his followers. "I could do so much better for you without Shitty Schiff's hoax investigations." Then when some loony takes action, Fat Donnie can stand there with clean hands. "All of my speeches have been perfect."

All it takes is one deranged person and pow, mission accomplished. The same technique works with anti-abortion leaders, who demonize the doctors to the point where a mentally unstable individual thinks that by killing the man he is "saving the babies." Lots of abortion providers have been assassinated by Operation Rescue leaders doing this.

[tblue37]

40. Stochastic terrorism. nt

[canuckledragger]

42. Yup, and here's the official meaning behind the term

For everyone else that hasn't seen the term used before. It's the method that Sarah Palin used to get Gabby Giffords shot, with the crosshairs on her website.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism

stochastic terrorism[ stuh-kas-tik ter-uh-riz-uhm ]

noun

the public demonization of a person or group resulting in the incitement of a violent act, which is statistically probable but whose specifics cannot be predicted:

The lone-wolf attack was apparently influenced by the rhetoric of stochastic terrorism.

[RVN VET71]

68. Nailed it.

Palin stands guilty of what amounts to a murderous whistle-blow, giving herself distance from any murderous results inspired by her graphic.

But I don't know that I agree she used the graphic deliberately for the purpose of getting Gabby Giffords shot. I think she used it to get a chuckle from the Tea Party and would have been perfectly content had no one been murdered. The killing and shootings were, perhaps, just extra gravy to her sad, shallow soul.

[soldierant]

69. The definition, which is accurately quoted, does not imply

that the terrorist's intention is to get anyone killed, whether someone specific or just in general. Rather, like tort law, it's more that a reasonable person could or would have expected the outcome.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

45. Crap. I had to go to Dictionary.com to find out what "stochastic" means.

"In probability theory and related fields, a stochastic or random process is a mathematical object usually defined as a family of random variables."

I feel much better now.

[robbob]

65. Well, THAT clears it up!

Gotta love academia! 🧐

[dawg day]

53. He just said he wanted to get rid of Pelosi.

Imagine what his insane mob thinks he met.

And try to imagine any other president ever ever saying that about anyone.

[Lulu KC]

3. glad they got him

And for the third time today, I use this handy thing:

[onethatcares]

4. be careful

you'll bang your forehead in reading about these nut jobs

banghead: :

[Gore1FL]

5. One less GOP voter for as long as his sentence, at least. nt

[ck4829]

50. Yep

[bucolic_frolic]

6. Upper New York is like a different planet than Lower New York

Did Trump offer him a pardon yet?

[dewsgirl]

9. Or a cabinet position?

[NBachers]

32. Nate McMurray is a kick-ass Western New York Democrat with a special House election on April 28th.

He's running to replace republican crook Chris Collins, who's been convicted of insider trading from (literally) the White House Lawn.

McMurray's a brash and outspoken Democrat who has plenty of support from Buffalo to Canandaigua. He can win this race and turn Western New York blue. Check him out, give him some love, and support him!

This is the only election right now. The entire Democratic Nation can help propel him into office.

https://www.votemcmurray.com/

[Progressive dog]

57. Actually Greece, NY is democratic leaning

Monroe county voted Democratic in the previous five Presidential elections.
In the last Presidential election, Monroe county remained strongly Democratic, 54.2% to 39.3%

[Raftergirl]

62. Actually

the metro areas of upstate NY (Albany, Syracuse, Rochester and Buffalo) are Democratic. You know those places were people actually live.

It’s the rural areas that are conservative/Republican.

Don’t know how to post pictures here but just google NYS 2016 Presidential election map to see.

It looks just like the national maps. All red except were blue where most people live.

[ashredux]

7. Trump will pardon him and place him in the Justice Department

[Karma13612]

8. Yup, not surprised.

A tRump supporter no doubt. Just emulating his savor.

[Traildogbob]

10. A Pardon

And a Presidentisl Medal of Freedom. Followed by a DOJ position.

[CanonRay]

11. One less angry white guy on the streets

and one less Trump vote. No more guns for you, felon.

[sandensea]

14. And he's Italian!

If the poor dolt only knew that most Chumpkins don't consider Italians (or anyone else with too many vowels in their name) "white."

[CanonRay]

21. So am I

and most of my cousins in Jersey and NY are diehard Trumpers

[sandensea]

34. I hear you.

I'm part Italian, and I know what you mean.

I never fully understood right-wing Italian-Americans - of which there are many (probably a majority).

As best I can tell, a lot of it has to do with a) Catholic upbringing of the right-leaning, Cardinal Spellman type (ironically, given the late monsignor's private life); and b) social status - i.e. 'we're accomplished and make money - unlike minorities'.

Again, I'm referring solely to Italian-Am. Republicans, from whom I've heard those sentiments many times.

Then you have Italian-American Democrats, who are some of the most active, savvy, and socially conscious Democrats anyone can find.

"Takes all kinds," as my Piemontese great-grandmother used to say.

[Judi Lynn]

26. That was the clear viewpoint among the W.A.S.P.s I grew up with in California and Kansas.

They had suspicion of everyone who was a Catholic the moment they found out their religion.

They also were able to fuse together their views communists were atheists, and that Catholics were communists without ever bothering to think about it.

[sandensea]

38. That's been my experience as well.

Having - I've been told - a close resemblance to the actor Matthew Broderick, I usually give these Republicans a good first impression.

Unless they learn that my parents are from somewhere else, and that I'm half-Italian. Then the reaction is seldom friendly, let me tell you.

But then, as you know Judi, that's life. Can't do right by everyone.

[whathehell]

33. I must say..

of all the weird, bigoted characteristics I've heard about Trumpers , the idea that they didn't consider any but northern europeans to be "white" is a new one to me.

[sandensea]

37. Not new to anyone who's lived in the South.

"Heritage" is very important to 80% of white Republicans I've met over the years, Southern or not.

America, so they believe, was "built by white Anglo-Saxon Protestants" - especially conservatives.

Anyone else, as far as they're concerned, is to some degree a liability. Black people they consider an outright burden.

[whathehell]

55. I'm familiar with some of the provincial idiocy

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in the South, but I didn't know they were dumb enough to think most of Europe was "non-white".

[ck4829]

49. Directly descended from the people who were sure to separate Irish or Italian people from "white"

people.

It makes sense to me.

And of course; because race, even the white race, is not biological, natural, or divinely inspired, but rather socially constructed, then who gets to be in the "white club" will change over time and be different depending on geography as well.

[whathehell]

54. Huh? ..I've actually never even heard of this

Western and Southern Europeans "not white"?....Must come out of.some provincial backwater off my radar.

[H2O Man]

63. The Irish were not

recognized as "white" in the US until after WW1.

[whathehell]

64. Even Scarlett O'Hara?

I'm sorry, but looked down upon as they were, I don't believe there was any formally expressed notion of their being anything other than Caucasian.

[H2O Man]

66. That's not surprising.

And no need to be "sorry." From your posts here, it is obvious that this is a topic that you have no knowledge of, and something that you clearly have never even thought about. Hence, you attempt humor by listing a fictional protestant Scoti -- which is hilariousthough not in the manner you intended.

There are numerous books that document this phonomenon in American history -- my favorite being the first book I had published. It's actually a rather interesting issue, and one that, should you be interested in expanding your knowledge on things you know nothing about -- zero -- I'd be glad to talk more with you.

Until then, I hope all goes well for you.

[whathehell]

70. That would be a "no".

You've make repeated statements about what I supposedly "know nothing" about and yet what you clearly know nothing about is the most famous female character in American literature.

On its very first page, Gone With the Wind describes Scarlett O'Hara as being of Irish and French descent, and while she is fictional, the circumstances of the period in which the novel is set are not.

When I mention "formal documentation", I'm not speaking of vaguely referenced, untitled books, I'm referrng to formal documents like census records and ship manifests of immigrants which notate the race of the immigrant...Do you have any of those? No, I doubt that you do, since otherwise you'd have noted the racial designation listed for Irish immigrants as being "white" or "caucasian".

Your assumptions about what I supposedly "don't know" about my own Irish family who arrived here 30 years prior to WWI, and with whom I was personally acquainted, are almost humorous.

Have a good one.

[H2O Man]

73. Ha!

You are funny! Thanks!

[whathehell]

74. Yes, I thought you might be at a small loss for words..

[H2O Man]

75. Okay, here goes:

Among many other things, I have studied Irish and Irish-American history for many decades. That does not include fiction, though I know more about the fictional character that you reference without understanding how that exposes your lack of knowledge. After a quick check, I counted 25 sources of documentation on the Irish in America -- a book that a number of DUers have read. I write for an Irish Historical Society in the Old Sod. The section of my library on Irish and Irish-American history is rather large. I know exactly what I'm talking about. That's but one area where we differ.

[whathehell]

76. But again,

You make all sorts of assertions, but with no documentation to back it up. I know you're a long time DUer and so would know the effect that has.

[H2O Man]

77. It's a giggle

that you think I have a need to "prove" anything to you. However, because I am kind, I will tell you a few books you should start with. The first is by family friend Jay Dolan: "The Irish Americans: A History" (2008). Start with that, and we'll go from there. If my son comes by to help me, I'll copy a few things from my book and try to send them to you on DU e-mail. I'm too busy tonight to get into a long and meaningful discussion on this .....hopefully if I finish the project now taking my time and attention, I'll be able to post it on DU:GD by this time tomorrow. It will hopefully show why I'm not taking the time to go into greater detail now .....

You say you are of Irish stock? Irish or Scotch-Irish? There's a risk of being arrogant if one is Irish, you know. It's something that I see in all of my male relatives, though thankfully it skipped me.

[whathehell]

78. No, the "giggle",

I'm afraid, is expecting me to accept undocumented assertions against actual evidence.

Yes, I'm afraid you do have to 'prove'.your assertions, if you want to continue this discussion with me. That's my condition, and though you've had several chances to meet it, you've failed thus far, and so I must say "adieu"

[H2O Man]

79. Bye

[Progressive Jones]

41. I grew up in a predominantly Italian neighborhood in Chicago.

They might as well have called that area "Italian Racist Village".

[sandensea]

43. I'm sorry to hear that, Jones.

I'm part Italian, and have also met some very right-wing Italian-Americans. As you've noticed, they seem to fear being lumped in with minorities more than death itself.

But Italian-American Democrats are very different. They're passionate about change and equality, having known so much discrimination themselves (or their parents did).

One takes the good with the bad, I suppose.

[Progressive Jones]

44. 'Tis true. nt

[lunasun]

59. +1 on chi but didn't have to live around there at least

[W T F]

12. I hope they use the same jail guards who were watching over Jeffery Epstein on this guy.

[Grins]

13. Any bets he only watches Fox? Anyone...?

Or hate radio? The whole clown-car of conservative media...?

[riversedge]

25. I would not place even a penny bet.

[ck4829]

47. A sucker's bet for sure

[bitterross]

16. So they stopped ONE

There are plenty more out there.

[ck4829]

48. Indeed

[Evolve Dammit]

18. Fine people on both sides; "Shifty Schiff" is widely used by Limbaugh as well. It's coordinated.

[AtheistCrusader]

19. This is what you get when the leader says 'Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest'.

[RussBLib]

20. has Trump offered to pay for his defense yet?

Or maybe Trump will pardon him, after he gets sentenced.

You just know that the Dems face this crap every day. Trump has his deplorables whipped into a frenzy.

[Orrex]

22. No, but he's awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom, so there's that.

[CCExile]

23. He just wanted a pardon he could show his grandkids one day.

[Judi Lynn]

27. His criminally insane grandkids would be so proud of him. n/t

[paleotn]

29. Salvatore Lippa?

Are you fucking kidding me? Dude.....the scum that follows IQ45 would just a soon put your ass on a the next boat back to wherever as some poor day laborer from El Salvador. Hate to break it to him, but he klan doesn't have an Italian auxiliary. Good freaking God, these people are stupid!

[iluvtennis]

30. Glad they got the cretin. Hope he gets the maximum of 10 years. nt

[kimbutgar]

31. Ha ha MF45 can't pardon him

[yaesu]

35. having a fox news lobotomy may be a good defense for his lawyers to use. nt

[warmfeet]

36. Enforce the law.

We don't just make this shit up, do we?

Seems to me there is a mechanism for changing the current law.

Seems to me, we are abrogating this mechanism every chance we get.

[BigmanPigman]

39. There must be a few thousand who want tRump killed by anyone ASAP.

I know I have spoken to at least a dozen in the past few weeks. We don't care how he goes just as long as it is permanent and ASAP! Who ever does it should get a medal of freedom award for saving the country! A couple even told me they would chip in a few bucks if there is a collection to hire a hit. They have been saying "live by the sword, etc" since he is a wanna be mobster. He even thinks it could happen since he has a "taster" and gets his cheeseburgers from a faraway location so it won't be poisoned.

"Trump "had a longtime fear of being poisoned, one reason why he liked to eat at McDonald’s — nobody knew he was coming and the food was safely premade," Wolff reports."

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-loves-mcdonalds-afraid-of-being-poisoned-2018-1

[ck4829]

46. K&R

[MFM008]

51. I believe Donald Maggot

would be beside himself with joy if someone killed one of our dems he doesn't like
absolutely thrilled.

[Turbineguy]

52. Going to jail for trump.

A fine example for other trump cult members.

[greymattermom]

56. Private prisons

for MAGAts?

[lunasun]

58. Just one of trumps hitmen

“Schiff, Shifty Schiff, you’re the biggest (expletive) scumbag (expletive) who ever lived. I dare you to come, I dare you to come to New York, because I will put a bullet in your (expletive) forehead. You (expletive) scumbag piece of (expletive). You got that? And you can look up my phone number. And you think I’m (expletive) joking? I’ll come to Washington and kill you, you (expletive).”

[Fla Dem]

60. Trump will pardon him.

[gibraltar72]

61. I'm sure purely a coincidence.

[Bengus81]

71. Hmmmm....another Trump pardon coming up!!

[PJMcK]

72. He must be a real American Patriot (n/t)