ICE rejects California law, arrests people at courthouse

[Omaha Steve]

Source: AP

By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ and JULIET WILLIAMS

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — U.S. immigration agents arrestedtwopeople at a Northern California courthouse, including a man detained in a hallway on his way to a hearing,floutinga new state law requiring a judicial warrant to make immigration arrests inside such facilities.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents made the arrests Tuesday at Sonoma County Superior Court, prompting an outcry from criminal justice and court officials who said the action undermines local authority and deters immigrants who are in the country illegally from participating in the U.S. justice system.

ICE said California’s law doesn’t supersede federal law and “will not govern the conduct of federal officers acting pursuant to duly-enacted laws passed by Congress that provide the authority to make administrative arrests of removable aliens inside the United States.”

“Our officers will not have their hands tied by sanctuary rules when enforcing immigration laws to remove criminal aliens from our communities,” David Jennings, ICE’s field office director in San Francisco, said in the statement.

Read more: https://apnews.com/56303dd4fea7b23d9375c1400d997364

[madville]

1. States and local city/county governments cannot pass laws limiting the power of federal agents

Doesn't matter if it's immigration, guns, drugs, etc.

[PoliticAverse]

3. Exactly. n/t

[TomSlick]

5. Pretty basic idea.

[dware]

6. Absolutely correct.

And if any local, county or state official interferes, they can be arrested and federally prosecuted.

[Magoo48]

30. That said, imo, we must confront federal bullies not simply bow down and mumble

some chickenshit about federal laws which are used as cudgels against us. Fuck that shit. California must resist in every way we can the eruption of dung flowing out of DC.

[dware]

36. That said, tell us how without breaking the law?

ICE agents have every right to arrest wanted immigrants, no matter where they are, whether in a state, city or county building.

Any local interfering with a lawful arrest will find themselves being arrested themselves and federally prosecuted.

It sucks, but it's just the way it is.

[cstanleytech]

2. Just like the Feds cannot dictate to the states that the state assist in helping it enforce federal

immigration laws the state cannot block the federal government from enforcing federal law.

[kiri]

7. ICE people have to pass thru a screening to enter

ICE people have to pass thru a screening to enter, like all others. It is in the authority of local authorities to require that they remove all weapons, badges, etc. and then to display their identities to be checked.

This could take an hour or more; meanwhile they are detained.

[dware]

8. Ummm, no they don't.

All they have to do is show their ID and they can go around the detectors.

It happens all the time.

[kiri]

12. ICE do not get automatic entry

This is a privilege given, but not in any laws. Or any authority that ICE commands.

Here in Worcester I saw 2 ICE guys--one sort of in plain clothes, the other in camouflage regalia--asked to stand aside while others went through the detector machines at the courthouse.

They were prevented from entering until they displayed their weapons. It took about 40 minutes!

With a little tweaking, it could take 2 hours.

[dware]

13. That's not the norm, that's an anomaly.

The vast majority of LEO's will give professional courtesy to other LEO's, whether Federal, State or Local.

I know this because much of my family were in Law Enforcement.

[2naSalit]

15. That's how I understand it.

This isn't good at all.

[dware]

16. You're right, it isn't good at all,

but it's just the way it is.

Also, if an ICE agent saw an undocumented worker that was wanted in a state courthouse, you can bet the farm that the local LEO's aren't going to prevent them from making an arrest, if they did interfere, they would be arrested for obstructing a Federal Agent in the lawful performance of their duties and would probably be Federally prosecuted in Federal Court.

[2naSalit]

19. Indeed...

I have relatives with badges in some federal agencies.

[Throck]

27. Federal warrant

Just a piece of paper, like a search warrant that cancels all your rights on the spot.

[scarletwoman]

4. K&R for more visibility. (nt)

[C Moon]

9. Trump is flexing his new powers, thanks to the Republican sycophants in the Senate.

Boston last week, California this week.
I can't help but think they will be policing polls by November.

[BigmanPigman]

10. "...they will be policing" period.

We are living in dangerous, uncertain times I'm sorry to say.

[rickford66]

11. Except when Republicans claim States Rights to overrule Federal Laws.

If a Dem wins, that's what will happen.

[sakabatou]

14. They arrested "a man detained in a hallway on his way to a hearing"

How the hell is that legal?

[dware]

17. He was wanted Federally,

so it was 100% legal, stupid, but legal.

[sakabatou]

20. And then you'll be fined for not showing up at the hearing, right?

[ck4829]

23. That's late stage capitalism for you

[Throck]

28. Capitalism or tyrannical government?

[ck4829]

34. A little bit from Column A, a little bit from Column B

[Jose Garcia]

38. He probably won't have to pay it if he is deported

[christx30]

41. Just have to decide who you're more afraid of.

The state or city government, who will issue the fine, or issue a warrant for failure to appear, or the federal government, who will arrest you and kick you out of the country.

[ck4829]

18. Should start arresting some ICE agents

[ManiacJoe]

21. Federal laws supersede state and local laws.

There are smarter ways to do what they did, but it was all legal.

[ck4829]

22. "but it was all legal"... like so many other horrible things in history

[AncientGeezer]

32. For????

[dware]

37. Arrest them for what?

Doing their jobs?

[DeminPennswoods]

24. Do people still think ICE does not need to be abolished

and reconstituted differently?

[NotHardly]

25. OH, so federal law is supreme when Trump says so and not when he does not wish it so...

Note to California or other sanctuary states/cities:


1) Vote Republicans out until 2099.

2) Stop all persons who do not have immediate, direct, or specific purposes for coming inside of a court house... you'all have cameras, metal detectors, and additional security measures... use them vigorously, smile, walk them through all that stuff and more...for security, 'cause after all armed persons have killed city, county, state and federal level personnel before. Refuse their entrance unless and until they meet your level of security is assured.. e.g. no guns, no shields, no absolutely no jackboots.

3) Every time and in every situation where a 'jackboot' acts should be filmed with speakers/recorders on and pixels high... complete, steady, unwavering, and full.

[AncientGeezer]

33. What?? What does any of that mean?

That hurt my head.....Federal LEO's have a reason to be were their wanted people are.

[dware]

35. ......

[dewsgirl]

26. K and R

[sinkingfeeling]

29. The SS on the march.

[wkdjr]

31. Brown Shirts

Pay attention Trumpers are not shy, this is them forming Trump's Brown Shirts ignore them at personal peril.

[MurrayDelph]

40. Not Brownshirts

This is the Gestapo.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

39. Bad title for the AP article

California SB54 "...prevents state and local law enforcement agencies from using their resources on behalf of federal immigration enforcement agencies." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Senate_Bill_54

Nothing a state can really do to stop ICE from doing their own work but they can refuse to in state cooperation.

The AP title implies that feds are somehow bound by state laws and that ICE overstepped.