'A travesty and a disgrace': Trump quietly issues memo that could abolish union rights for
Source: Raw Story
for 750,000 federal workers
Published 21 mins ago on February 22, 2020
By Jake Johnson, Common Dreams
This administration will not stop until it takes away all workers' rights to form and join a union."
President Donald Trump on Thursday quietly issued a memo granting Defense Secretary Mark Esper the power to abolish collective bargaining rights for the Defense Department's 750,000 civilian workers, a move unions decried as part of the administration's far-reaching assault on organized labor.
The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) condemned the memo, which was published in the Federal Register (pdf) Thursday, as "a travesty and a disgrace."
"The administration's divide-and-conquer strategy with respect to organized labor is as disgusting as it is shameful."
--American Federation of Government Employees
The memo argues that a unionized Defense Department workforce could pose a threat to "national security" and that, if necessary, collective bargaining rights at the department should be scrapped in the interest of "protecting the American people."
Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/a-travesty-and-a-disgrace-trump-quietly-issues-memo-that-could-abolish-union-rights-for-750000-federal-workers/
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You know this is what Stalin did, Lenin did, Mao Zedong did, Hitler did, and they still have gulags in Russia under Putin...................they abolished collective bargaining.............and they then opened up re-education camps....................
Is it time to take to the streets.............................November 3, 2020 cannot get here fast enough................
chowder66
(9,067 posts)not fooled
(5,801 posts)to ALL Federal employees, sooner or later.
And then turn the Civil Service into another outlet for political patronage. Eventually, if you're a Federal worker, you'd better be registered puke and a red don supporter.
AC_Mem
(1,979 posts)NEVER. EVER. would I support the GOP. NEVER. EVER. Just the very thought makes me shudder.
Pretty much everyone who works with me knows - I don't hide it. I do a damned good job and there should be NO reason to terminate me for my political (and human) beliefs.
Peregrine Took
(7,413 posts)For the life of me I can't fathom what good qualities he has that they admire.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)just play dumb now and won't even discuss the evidence in front of them. They hide in their right-wing media to medicate themselves. They think if they can just ignore it or go into denial until it all blows over - wishful thinking since eventually it will blow up in their face. Then it will be too late to do anything about it.
AC_Mem
(1,979 posts)There are not many, but i did have one that sat next to me. After awhile he stopped trying because if you are going to TRY to defend him or the GOP, you better come with valid and verifiable information because I will absolutely respond with the truth backed up by facts. After awhile, he would get frustrated and just stop, or say something stupid like "well, I'd never vote for Hillary!" - at which I just really - I just laughed in his face and said "you DO realize she is not even running, right?"
It is easy really - i just need about one minute and google, snopes, etc. They don't really know how to respond when you counter with logic and facts, it kind of short circuits them.
annette
iluvtennis
(19,850 posts)not_the_one
(2,227 posts)I firmly believe that ALL of this "preemptive" crap against the very foundations of our democracy, is coming from Miller and Bannon. They are where he hears the "whispers" of the "next steps" to burn it down from the inside. He sure as hell isn't smart enough to come up with all this on his own. He is just the figurehead, there to be the center of attention. He is nothing but an attention whore who wants to live the life of a russian oligarch. And the only way for him to do that HERE is to be "king".
Of course, this ALL benefits Putin, who owns the turd, lock, stock and barrel, and has owned him since he got the first loan backed by Russia. And Putin is ALSO whispering in his ear that he CAN be "king".
Feeling so overwhelmed, desperate for some glimmer of hope, it is easy to give up. But we can't.
We HAVE to get out the vote. And we have to somehow make sure they are counted accurately. Yes, I know, a BIG "somehow"...
And although I think Bernie will be sliced and diced if he is the nominee, we must support him IF he is the nominee.
With Tulsi being the bottom of the barrel, Bernie is only one step up from that, in my opinion. But I will hold my nose and vote for him IF he is the nominee. I just hope he doesn't get that far, BEFORE a brokered convention. A brokered convention that takes the nomination from him if he has the most votes, but not enough to get the nomination on the first ballot, will result in his supporters staying home.
And I voted for him in the 2016 primary, in NYC, since it couldn't hurt Hillary, to send a message. MY BAD. Jill Stein, Bernie's vicious attacks on Hillary, and his unwillingness to influence his supporters in the general election GOT us the turd in OUR white house. Putin had an effect, but Hillary still could have won if those 3rd party votes had not been wasted.
UNLESS we could do it without him??? Could we??? Do we want to take that chance? Should we???
As to the original post, maybe union members need to vote to support their unions, en masse, rather than let their union heads take a stand, and then vote AGAINST their own interests during the election.
I was a member of AFSCME for many years, until I promoted out of eligibility. I helped to bring the administrative/clerical positions (primarily women) into the Florida bargaining unit. Because of that I was told that I was a "trouble maker" and "not the kind of employee they wanted". I quit, and it took a long time after that to even get another interview, because I had been labeled.
So I am familiar with union dynamics.
The FIRST thing that should be done is to HONESTLY label the "Right To Work" legislation as "Right To Work For Less". Because that is exactly what it is. Framing is everything. "Right To Work" sounds so, downright, AMERICAN, doesn't it.
The second thing is to legislate that ONLY UNION MEMBERS get to receive the benefits that were negotiated by the union. Why pay for what you can get for free? Why, that is almost SOCIALISTIC!!! THAT would get rid of the freeloaders AND bring in a lot more members.
Now everyone can jump in and list all the reasons why it would not be fair for freeloaders to freeload... Maybe freeloading IS part of the "American Way".
Wuddles440
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by all means vote in November (if that will still be possible). In the meantime, start taking measures to bolster the personal security of yourself and family. Hope for the best, but be realistic and prepare for the worst.
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)Non-dues paying union members are "cream skimmers." They want the benefits, the pay raises and legal protections from abuse, but don't want to chip in for those services.
IcyPeas
(21,859 posts)from above:
It's his own friggen administation and criminals he's hiring to do jobs they are not qualified for who are a threat to national security as well as the turd himself.
Maxheader
(4,372 posts)Twin Cities..
and the NTD - National Transient Division-.. I say to stumpy, fuck you p.o.s...Unions built this country...
You've done nothing but crap on it...
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Better yet, the M$M is wall-to-wall covering this travesty, right?
As an aside, these workers are already barred from Walkouts and Strikes, RIGHT?
So what, Herr General, is this 'danger'?
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I was making snide commentary about the lack of mainstream coverage of this travesty.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)who would cross any sort of picket line? Why would the workers give a flying rat's ass at this point? I know I wouldn't.
HOW? Just How? How can he just get rid of a union? Just because don't fly. HOW?
Just because Ronnie Raygun did it, doesn't mean any other president can. Not after that debacle.
While we are majorly distracted by this news, what the next National Park to be given away "quietly.?" Is there a line on that yet?
LudwigPastorius
(9,137 posts)Another Trump term with another Supreme Court pick and the right of collective bargaining is all over.
"Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out"
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Hestia
(3,818 posts)like tomorrow.
1 - there is no Cabinet for Article 25 on purpose, so the Secretaries can't pull that on him
2 - Short of the military, there has GOT.TO.BE.SOMEONE to stop this madness. Saying Hitler and Putin did it/does it does us absolutely no good. This has moved beyond academics.
This hand wringing with no Plan B really shows how vulnerable we really are if there is No Dept, No Star Chamber, Nothing to stop a madman like this. If the Founders knew someone like this could reaar its ugly head, surely there is something written down somewhere to stop it. Are the instruction in the "football"? Locked in a desk drawer somewhere?
I'm sorry, but this beyond Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition. FUBAR squared?
Rachel had a great episode about this - the time for pearl clutching and hand wringing is over. The problem is us if we do not do something, anything. We have now approached the abyss.
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ancianita
(36,030 posts)Unions don't need "management" or "state" validation to exist.
Watch a skilled work force get the labor value it demands, then walk out, and watch management realize that it costs more to replace and train its production force than to increase its pay and benefits. Unless this is a setup to strip down government, which it probably is. Regardless of IF45's goal...
Only fear divides. Federal unions are being "trained" by management diktat to become beaten down zombie bureaucrats found in Putin's Russia. "Trained" like the Republican Senate has been with the diktat: no obey, no pay.
Only fear divides. So fuck what Stalin, Lenin and Mao did -- unions don't even have to play that STATE VALIDATION game.
Aussie105
(5,383 posts)of Presidential executive orders and memos.
It essentially gives a President the powers of a dictator.
In most countries, if a leader comes up with an idea, it needs to go through many levels of government before it is enacted.
Not in America. Executive order . . . .all non-whites must jump off the nearest tall cliff . . . and people start jumping.
DeminPennswoods
(15,278 posts)has been going on for a loooong time. Since union membership is optional, what happens is that bargaining unit employees don't generally join unless they run afoul of some rule because then the union is required to defend them. This, though, allows management to characterize the union as "us" ("good" employees who stay out of trouble, rearely miss a day, and just work hard all the time) vs "them" ("slackers" who need to join the union so they are protected all while not doing their jobs and forcing the "good" employees to have to do the "slacker's" work for him or her) even though we are all bargaining unit employees and benefit from the CBA. You might think this strategy would not work but it does - and quite effectively, too.