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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,600 posts)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:58 AM Mar 2020

Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

Source: Associated Press

Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

By MIKE CORDER

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — A painting by Dutch master Vincent van Gogh was stolen in an overnight smash-and-grab raid on a museum that was closed to prevent the spread of the coronavirus, police and the museum said Monday.

The Singer Laren museum east of Amsterdam said that “The Parsonage Garden at Nuenen in Spring 1884 ” by the Dutch master was taken in the early hours of Monday. By early afternoon, all that could be seen from the outside of the museum was a large white panel covering a door in the building’s glass facade.

Museum General Director Evert van Os said the institution that houses the collection of American couple William and Anna Singer is “angry, shocked, sad” at the theft of the painting.

The value of the work, which was on loan from the Groninger Museum in the northern Dutch city of Groningen, was not immediately known. Police are investigating the theft.

“I’m shocked and unbelievably annoyed that this has happened,” said Singer Laren museum director Jan Rudolph de Lorm.

Read more: https://apnews.com/e635b833e60dfcb01351752976d818df



I've always wanted one.

You can have it back when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
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Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2020 OP
Your comments gave me a well needed laugh. Thanks!!! jimfields33 Mar 2020 #1
I have it. Me, me, me. Come and get it, coppers. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2020 #2
Good movie!!!! jimfields33 Mar 2020 #3
Loved that movie! (At least the thief (Brando) left a fake Mona Lisa.) flibbitygiblets Mar 2020 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #31
The very very wealthy MosheFeingold Mar 2020 #10
The Simpsons: German man gets grandpa Simpsons war treasure artwork mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2020 #12
This is a popular myth. See my post #18. CTyankee Mar 2020 #22
You're implying a family that's a criminal enterprise, spanning generations, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2020 #28
After a couple hundred years MosheFeingold Mar 2020 #29
Born on this day, March 30, 1853, Vincent van Gogh mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2020 #4
Value is the scarcity of competence bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #5
When I'm not working from home, I work across the street (sort of) from the National Gallery of Art. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2020 #6
I can't define art, but I know it when I see it bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #14
This is an extreme example, but I think we'll see a bit more of this HotTeaBag Mar 2020 #8
This is the most Dutch reaction ever: a la izquierda Mar 2020 #9
I love the Dutch response! FM123 Mar 2020 #11
He was not amused. tavernier Mar 2020 #16
Great films and stolen artwork: Burt Lancaster, in "The Train." SPOILER ALERT mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2020 #13
Thanks. elleng Mar 2020 #19
Anyone know where Danny Ocean is? paleotn Mar 2020 #15
Wondering when bold criminals will take advanrage RussBLib Mar 2020 #17
From a lecture I attended by a staff member at Museum of Fine Arts in Boston: most art theft CTyankee Mar 2020 #18
Bastards. JohnnyRingo Mar 2020 #20
I have this one on my bedroom wall. LudwigPastorius Mar 2020 #21
My first though upon reading this story: Collimator Mar 2020 #23
The painting in question... Princess Turandot Mar 2020 #24
It can never be sold openly la-trucker Mar 2020 #25
See my post 18. They can't sell it but they don't know that. CTyankee Mar 2020 #26
I'd bet there's a lively black market JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2020 #27
That painting will fetch between 6 and 60 million USD all cash la-trucker Mar 2020 #30
Hey Sinnerman, where ya gonna run to? greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #32
Video footage shows how a sledgehammer-wielding thief broke in and took the van Gogh mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #33
I'm still chuckling about the response of the museum director. nt. a la izquierda Apr 2020 #34
Well, I think she knows it will turn up pretty soon but I'm sure she worries about the shape it CTyankee Apr 2020 #35

jimfields33

(15,948 posts)
1. Your comments gave me a well needed laugh. Thanks!!!
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:03 AM
Mar 2020

I always wonder how they sell the paintings. I know black market but still. Steal it and put it in a vault? I think that’s weird. You can’t hang it, brag about it or anything.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,600 posts)
2. I have it. Me, me, me. Come and get it, coppers.
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:10 AM
Mar 2020

You just have it and never talk about it.

I'm thinking of a Matthew Broderick movie:

The Freshman (1990 film)

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
7. Loved that movie! (At least the thief (Brando) left a fake Mona Lisa.)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:30 AM
Mar 2020

The Godfather references throughout were great.

Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #2)

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
10. The very very wealthy
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 12:07 PM
Mar 2020

And, no, not Bill Gates variety. The old, generational, wealth, types whose fortunes span centuries.

Could buy it and put it away for great, great, great, great grandchildren.

Long after any claim for it would be invalidated just due to passage of time.

They think long term like this.

In the mean time, it sits in a private study.

Lots of the art the Nazis stole is tucked away like this. Untaxable, unknown, generational wealth.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,600 posts)
12. The Simpsons: German man gets grandpa Simpsons war treasure artwork
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 12:17 PM
Mar 2020


The Simpsons German man gets grandpa Simpsons war treasure artwork
32,239 views•Oct 31, 2015

Aaron James
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A scene from the Simpsons where stolen Artwork from WW2 was retrieved by Grandpa Simpson and returned to the rightful German owner of the art.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,364 posts)
28. You're implying a family that's a criminal enterprise, spanning generations, ...
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 06:54 AM
Mar 2020

... a family in which the "gene of amorality" is passes, along with training in selfishness, in exploitation, is the rule. I'm happy we have no such families here, especially not in the White House.

To disagree with you: the passage of time makes no difference. Attorneys for the Singer family will keep an eye out for the surfacing of this painting for as long as that family has money. And the responsible art museum curators will also have this on their watch list. For centuries.

To ever display this painting publicly would take the hubris of invincibility and evil.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
29. After a couple hundred years
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:03 AM
Mar 2020

There are no heirs. Or no heirs that care.

Or the crooks do things like go to a corrupt country and “buy” it where the laws allow for good title to pass from a thief. (This was the problem in much of Europe with Nazi stolen art — the laws only recently being changed.)

Adverse possession laws often also apply, again depending in the country.

bucolic_frolic

(43,282 posts)
5. Value is the scarcity of competence
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:14 AM
Mar 2020

often seen in the nascent stages of a movement. I doubt modern art will ever command such value, there's just too much of it, just like too much writing, too much technology, too many degrees. Find what is rare, and go there. Deliver me from the River Nile of creations, they are but neon signs passing outside my window.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,600 posts)
6. When I'm not working from home, I work across the street (sort of) from the National Gallery of Art.
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:19 AM
Mar 2020

There's one room in there with six van Goghs hanging on the wall.

Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm.

Here's one of them.

https://media.nga.gov/iiif/public/objects/1/0/6/3/8/2/106382-primary-0-nativeres.ptif/full/!440,400/0/default.jpg

Vincent van Gogh (painter)
Dutch, 1853 - 1890
Self-Portrait
1889
oil on canvas
overall: 57.79 × 44.5 cm (22 3/4 × 17 1/2 in.)
framed: 82.9 x 69.2 x 6.7 cm (32 5/8 x 27 1/4 x 2 5/8 in.)
Collection of Mr. and Mrs. John Hay Whitney
1998.74.5
On View: West Building, Main Floor - Gallery 83

bucolic_frolic

(43,282 posts)
14. I can't define art, but I know it when I see it
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 12:22 PM
Mar 2020

Yeah, that's one of them, scarce, rare, competent, a movement.

I've been there.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
8. This is an extreme example, but I think we'll see a bit more of this
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:33 AM
Mar 2020

in the coming weeks and months as places with things inside of them that people want stay shuttered.

a la izquierda

(11,797 posts)
9. This is the most Dutch reaction ever:
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:45 AM
Mar 2020

“I’m shocked and unbelievably annoyed that this has happened,” said Singer Laren museum director Jan Rudolph de Lorm.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,600 posts)
13. Great films and stolen artwork: Burt Lancaster, in "The Train." SPOILER ALERT
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 12:19 PM
Mar 2020

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RussBLib

(9,035 posts)
17. Wondering when bold criminals will take advanrage
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:22 PM
Mar 2020

Of this lockdown. Shit, in NYC, over 10% of cops are out sick.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
18. From a lecture I attended by a staff member at Museum of Fine Arts in Boston: most art theft
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:34 PM
Mar 2020

does not involve such plots as have been listed here. The theft is usually done by minor thieves who do not know that such art is virtually worthless to them. They try to sell it and either get caught doing so or end up leaving it somewhere (in one case a locker at a train station) and publishing where the art could be found.

This will turn up sooner or later.

JohnnyRingo

(18,641 posts)
20. Bastards.
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:57 PM
Mar 2020

Not only the thieves, but the museum as well for lax security for such a treasure. Whether it goes to a private collection or becomes so hot it's destroyed, it will likely never be seen again.

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
24. The painting in question...
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 06:45 PM
Mar 2020

...and a very short article from Wikipedia. This was painted in May 1884.


The Parsonage Garden at Nuenen in Spring 1884

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
26. See my post 18. They can't sell it but they don't know that.
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:40 PM
Mar 2020

When they find out, they'll arrange a way to get it off their hands.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,364 posts)
27. I'd bet there's a lively black market
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 06:21 AM
Mar 2020

where an enterprising soul can sell bears' gallbladders, tigers' teeth, rhino horn, dutch masters paintings.

Maybe the purchase was arranged before the theft, and it's already on its way to Shanghai, Tokyo, Moscow, Riyadh, beyond the reach of Interpol.

Or maybe I watch too many movies.

 

la-trucker

(283 posts)
30. That painting will fetch between 6 and 60 million USD all cash
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:04 AM
Mar 2020

and after purchase it can never be displayed or resold.

I doubt there are many people in the world who have that kind of cash would risk it.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,600 posts)
33. Video footage shows how a sledgehammer-wielding thief broke in and took the van Gogh
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 02:10 PM
Apr 2020
Video footage shows how a sledgehammer-wielding thief broke into a museum in the Netherlands and walked off with a painting by Vincent van Gogh.


CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
35. Well, I think she knows it will turn up pretty soon but I'm sure she worries about the shape it
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 09:31 PM
Apr 2020

will be in when they do get it back.

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