Social Security recipients who don't usually file tax returns no longer need to file them

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: Washington Post

The Treasury announced late Wednesday that Social Security beneficiaries who typically do not file a tax return will automatically get the $1,200 payment and no longer must submit anything extra.

The administration announced earlier this week that the beneficiaries would need to file a short tax return in order to qualify for the payments. The announcement drew criticism from Democrats and some Republicans about requiring so many extra hurdles for this vulnerable population to get aid when the government already has their information on file.

The reversal Wednesday came as the administration tries to rapidly get stimulus payments out to Americans in the face of the quickest economic decline in modern history.

“Social Security recipients who are not typically required to file a tax return need to take no action, and will receive their payment directly to their bank account,” said Treasury Secretary Steven T. Mnuchin.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/01/bailout-checks-social-security/

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Full headline: Social Security recipients who don’t usually file tax returns no longer need to file them to get stimulus payments, Treasury says in reversal

[Pillow talk]

1. It's not stimulus. i wish the media would stop saying that.

[Ferrets are Cool]

3. Well, if you are on SS, what else would it be?

[Pillow talk]

4. Survival... of real folks. Stimulus props up corporate

[magicarpet]

10. Not a stimulus,...

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Okay,...

How's about this,...

An erection,..

After gulping down three fists full of Viagra.

You think Mnuchin would feel comfortable with that ? Or was that too blunt and make that twerp nervous ?

[Ferrets are Cool]

12. If you are on SS, you are already living on a set rate of income every month.

If you got more, in a one time bonus, I would call it a stimulus because it will most likely be used to buy things.
If you are working AND getting SS, I would call it a mean of getting thru these tough times.
A mere $1200 is not going to allow ANYONE to survive this crap if it last more than one month...and it most certainly will. But, I will concede a win to you if it makes you feel better.

[magicarpet]

39. Well that was very thoughtful of you.....

Would you like a fist full of Viagra, as a token of my appreciation ?

It sometimes comes in handy,... you never know when the feeling or the mood should arise.

Oops that was a poor choice of words,... and sorts redundant.

Give me a few seconds, I'll rework that.

[totodeinhere]

52. Not all Social Security recipients are living on a fixed income.

Some are but some aren't. A lot of SS recipients also have a job that they receive income from. After you reach a certain age you are allowed to earn as much money as you want without having your SS benefits reduced. That income might be subject to income taxes however.

[Ferrets are Cool]

56. I think I mentioned that in my post.

[forthemiddle]

46. If it's not a stimulus then people on Social Security wouldn't get it!

It IS a stimulus because the Government wants the economy to continue in some shape or form.

If it wasn’t a stimulus, but a wage replacement then retired people, or people still working wouldn’t need it since they have not lost any income. This isn’t to make Americans whole, that part of it is the expanded Unemployment compensation.

[Ferrets are Cool]

49. +1

[pbmus]

2. Kleptocratic Kakistrophic Klusterfuc

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

32. WORD...

Mind if I steal this phrase because few have ever displayed your BEAUTIFUL word Artistry...

[magicarpet]

41. Real good,... real good,... two posts up....

No need to ask,..

Just steal it and run,

Like trDump, Mnuchin, Barr, and Kuchner.

Word Artistry,... so right you are.

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

42. GOTTA make sure I legit stalk your posts...

[magicarpet]

43. Don't follow me !

I'm trying to be incognito.

When there are no identifying marks, scars, or tattoos,...

You would not believe the shit you can pull and stuff you get away with.

Have a good night.


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[choie]

5. Did I miss something?

How can people who don't file taxes get their stimulus check deposited into their bank account? The IRS doesn't have their banking information. And what about people who don't have a bank account?

[jojog]

6. Social Security is already direct deposit - they have the means to make it work nt

[magicarpet]

9. Well,.. I have mine direct deposited into my secret Swiss bank accounts in Geneva.

Coinage is such a pesky thing to deal with, I only accept bills bigger than $20.00. Anything smaller I just toss in the trash.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

17. Oh, heck. I'm going to start following you around with a small

bag to pick up your unwanted bills and coins.

[magicarpet]

22. Yes,.. Help yourself, I am 10X richer that trDump,...

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... I flush trumpie's net worth down the toilet each and every day just to keep the plumbing in check and properly flowing, with big clumps and bricks of hard cash to scrape the sewer pipes clean and keep things fully operational.

Lift the manhole covers in the street just in front of my mansion, it would be just exactly like winning the Mega Mega Bucks, twice, in one day.

You saw this,... right ? The red thing below.
Don't set your hopes too high.

[BumRushDaShow]

8. If the person receiving SS gets it direct-deposited every month

then Treasury most certainly has some bank info! Some still get checks though and they will send out the stimulus as a paper check if no banking info is available.

IMHO, the same should apply to anyone getting a federal annuity (like myself), where it is direct-deposited... although I filed my income tax without a direct deposit because I wanted the check and usually select where to put it depending on what I'll be doing with it (either to go in my regular bank account or my credit union account).

[left-of-center2012]

23. "Some still get checks though"

I thought they stopped that last year?

[BumRushDaShow]

24. There are places that are very rural or where people are in certain urban areas

that have no banks anywhere nearby, so they also offer deposits to a debit card or a paper check. I still get my income tax refund by check (my choice)!

[Rebl2]

30. I think to get

S.S. you have to have an bank account that it can be deposited to. Am I wrong on this?

[magicarpet]

7. Thank the Dems for this - ReThugs don't give a fuck.

That is one less hoop and ring of fire this old, feeble, and decrepit, crispy and wrinkled body and mangled bones no longer need jump thru.

ThX Dems !!

Save a tree, fuck the unnecessary and needless obstacle courses for us brittle seniors. Dump Mnuchin and trDump in 2020.

[Igel]

15. So the question is,

Did the law as passed originally dictate it but regulations written to implement it said no?

Did the law passed originally disallow it but regulations are going to do what people want, ignoring the language of the law?

Or is the law so sloppily written that a million or more people can be excluded or included based on how a bureaucrat writes the implementing regulations?

All three suck, but I'm not going to prejudge the matter.

[left-of-center2012]

25. This, from what I read earlier today ...

"the law as passed originally dictated it
but regulations written to implement it said no"

The Republicans wanted to make it harder to get.
The Dems raised hell, and the GOP (apparently) backed down.

[ebbie15644]

11. Bam, knew that orange asshole was trying to cheat us

[rzemanfl]

13. My question is, will EVERYONE on Social Security get their checks by direct deposit? n/t

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

20. They should. Everyone on Social Security gets that by direct deposit.

Well, almost everyone. Apparently some half million people still get their SS loaded on a debit card. So I suppose those people will simply get the $1,200 put on their debit card.

[certainot]

33. how do they get the debit card

[MySideOfTown]

34. I can't get a debit card in my world

unless I open a checking account.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

40. I have no idea if they still do it, but back when SS was switching

everyone from checks to direct deposit, people who didn't have a checking account were able to set up some kind of debit card thing. I'm pretty sure that debit card is for SS and SS only, but I don't know much about it.

Me, I have a checking account and my SS is direct deposited every month. As would be the case for the very vast majority of SS recipients.

[intrepidity]

55. Google "Direct Express" nt

[Cha]

14. YAY! TY BRDS!

[Dem2theMax]

16. There are so many threads about this, I can't keep up

Has anyone seen anything about people on SSDI?

I am only seeing reports about people on Social Security. Does anyone know if those of us who only receive SSDI will also fall into the category of not having to file a tax return? I am so far below poverty level it's ridiculous. So I definitely qualify.

[WePurrsevere]

21. Those of us in SSDI are grouped in...

With Soc Security Retirement (SSR) so it will be the same. I've been on Soc Sec Disability since 1989 and we've been grouped in like that for COLA, Medicare changes, etc since I've been on.

Supplimental Security Income (SSI) OTOH is a bit different because that's income, not work credit, based and I'm not sure how that will work ATM. Hopefully it's the same since I'm they sure could use the extra too.

[Dem2theMax]

26. Thank you so much.

My head has been spinning with all of the information coming out so quickly. You made it so simple to understand. Bless you!

[WePurrsevere]

28. You're very welcome...

We have to stick together and I'm always happy to help a fellow DUer.

[Dem2theMax]

31. I live alone. Never married, no kids. Only have a few cousins scattered here and there in the USA.

I was thinking today how lucky I am that I found this place so many years ago. I do not know what I would do without my DU family!

[deurbano]

38. My daughter has a lifelong disability, but also a bit of a paid work history, so she gets both

SSI and SSDI... and both Medicaid and Medicare. Hopefully, she'll get the check one way or the other.

[WePurrsevere]

45. If she gets SSDI she probably will BUT...

a thought just occurred to me, since you mentioned Medicaid and this could possibly apply to SSI as well, IDK... I haven't heard yet if these checks will count as income and therefore, possibly, depending on the state, mess up some of those who get monthly social service assistance. Normally caseworkers are supposed to count pretty much all income, work related or not, to see if you qualify and if so for how much.

Hopefully an exception will be made for these funds since I know from personal and loved ones' experience how very tight it is to exist on assistance and how helpful this much $ can be. I suggest waiting a week for the dust to settle and then checking with the state or, if on social assistance, a caseworker.

[BigmanPigman]

18. Yep, just saw the article and sent it to my mother.

Some good news anyway.

[WePurrsevere]

19. This has been changed so fast and often I swear I've got whiplash.

Hopefully they'll leave it this way. There are seniors and disabled who are staying with family or friends and not able to to access their records at home and having to fill out a form online may not be easily (safely) possible for all.

[magicarpet]

37. Fasten your seatbelt,... kinda snug,...

A fix your crash helmet,... make sure you attend to and fasten the strap.

Hang on tight,... you ain't seen nuttin yet.

Have your puke bag handy and ready for rapid trajectories.

[Wounded Bear]

27. Why is it so fucking hard to get these assholes to do the right thing?

[sprinkleeninow]

29. them that pass for sorry human beings know not their asses from their elbows. end of msg

[MySideOfTown]

35. Good to know.

My entire income is SSA and deposited directly into my checking account which comes with a debit card and a credit card if I want it. I have identical accounts at two major banks, each attached to a debit card, credit card and savings account. If and when I get a stimulus it will apparently go into my checking account, where upon I will transfer it into one or both of my savings accounts. Can't wait to make up my mind.

[2naSalit]

36. Thanks for the info!

Mixed messages seem to be a regular thing now.

[hellno45]

44. So, I guess those who fall below the poverty level & don't file & don't collect SS are SOL. nt

[catbyte]

48. I think folks who fall into that category can still collect but they need to file some sort of form.

How else would the IRS know they exist? AFAIK, the IRS doesn't have addresses for every adult in the US.

[catbyte]

47. It sounds like they just figured out that a whole lotta MAGAts receive Socialist Government Money

every month and they'd be mighty pisssed off if they had to file paperwork to get it.

Assholes.

[KWR65]

50. I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm not holding my breath.

[Historic NY]

51. Thats great news for me..

I feel like I'm getting even for the grand the IRS made me pay on my last tax return. My accountant and a forensic accountant could not find any errors. Meanwhile the local IRS office was only open 3 days a week.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

53. What about people who don't receive SS, don't file taxes, but get V.A. pensions?

Anyone know who to ask about eligibility for this check?

Thanks.

[BumRushDaShow]

54. A couple articles I found mention this and say yes you are eligible but the issue is distribution

So far they haven't clarified that when they realized they could just send checks to wherever someone getting regular SS, has their monthly amounts deposited. But since the Treasury head is clueless about government, his spoken directive needs to reference that the same should happen for all the other government-related pensions/annuities that don't require federal income tax filing (but haven't seen an update on that yet).

Mar 31, 2020,10:37am EDT
Income Too Low To File Taxes? You May Still Be Eligible For A Stimulus Check - Here’s How
Ryan Guina

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What if You Didn’t File a Tax Return?

The IRS is using tax returns to determine stimulus check eligibility. If you receive Social Security benefits, you should receive Form SSA-1099, Social Security Benefit Statement or Form RRB-1099, Social Security Equivalent Benefit Statement.

The IRS can use the information on this form to send you a stimulus check, even if your income isn’t high enough for you to file a tax return.

However, some individuals may receive non-taxable income, or another form of income that does not involve a Form 1099. Some examples of non-taxable income include Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and VA disability benefits. If these are your sole source of income or you do not otherwise need to file a tax return, the IRS may not have a process in place to send you a stimulus check.

If this is case, then you will most likely need to file a tax return.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanguina/2020/03/31/income-too-low-to-file-taxes-still-eligible-for-stimulus-check/

Stimulus Checks

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“Seniors, veterans, the unemployed and low-income Americans would be eligible too,” Senate Finance Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley.

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Disabled Veteran, Pension, & Survivor Benefits Recipients: Veterans receiving benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs for VA disability benefits, pensions, and survivors’ benefits will be treated the same as those receiving SS, SSDI, SSI benefits and do qualify for stimulus checks. For instance, a veteran whose only income is a veterans’ disability payment is eligible as long as they are not the dependent of another taxpayer.

Active Duty Military: Service members that qualify according to the income guidelines listed above will receive a stimulus check.

Social Security (SS) Recipients & Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI): Senior citizens who receive social security and SSDI payments can receive a stimulus check. Individuals with $0 of income are eligible for a rebate so long as they are not the dependent of another taxpayer and have a work-eligible SSN. There is no qualifying income requirement.

Supplemental Security Income (SSI) Recipients: SSI recipients and others whose income comes entirely from non-taxable benefits will receive stimulus payments.

When and How are Payments Made?

“The vast majority of people do not need to take any action. The IRS will calculate and automatically send the economic impact payment to those eligible.” IRS Press Release

<snip>

People who do not receive Social Security benefits and, also do not typically file taxes because their income is very low, will need to file a 2019 tax return in order to receive a stimulus check.

The check will be sent in the same method you received your IRS refund. If you are not set up for direct deposit, your check will be mailed using the address on your most recent tax return.

An online system is in the process of being created where people without direct deposit information submitted to the IRS can upload it.

https://militarybenefits.info/stimulus-checks/

[mvd]

57. Great news!

Thanks Dems and the Washington Post. My mom should have no problem now.

I filed a free tax return with direct deposit info. just to be safe. The IRS now says they will be providing guidance, but I thought it couldn’t hurt.

We need to extend these protections because the country will be in bad economic shape for a while. Shame if it takes this to get the progressive reforms I have been wanting.