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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,438 posts)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 09:09 AM Apr 2020

Sailors cheer Navy captain who was removed after pleading for help with coronavirus outbreak

Source: The Hill

Sailors cheer Navy captain who was removed after pleading for help with coronavirus outbreak

BY ALICIA COHN - 04/03/20 08:49 AM EDT

Sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt cheered for their departing captain Thursday night as he was removed from duty.

Videos captured on social media and sites like Stars and Stripes show sailors shouting "Captain Crozier" for Capt. Brett Crozier as he left the ship.

{Videos show sailors sending off ousted USS Roosevelt commander with cheers: US Navy relieved the captain who sounded the alarm about a coronavirus outbreak aboard the ship -
@eslavin_stripes}




Crozier was removed from duty after a letter he wrote pleading for help for those onboard his ship who are infected with the coronavirus leaked to the media.

The Navy announced his removal on Thursday. According to Navy Secretary Thomas Modly, whether Crozier intentionally leaked the letter or not, he "did not take care" to ensure it was not leaked.

{snip}

Read more: https://thehill.com/policy/defense/490979-sailors-cheer-navy-captain-who-was-removed-after-pleading-for-help-with



Hat tip, Joe.My.God:

Sailors Cheer Fired Carrier Captain As He Leaves Ship
April 3, 2020

https://www.joemygod.com/2020/04/sailors-cheer-fired-carrier-captain-as-he-leaves-ship/
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Sailors cheer Navy captain who was removed after pleading for help with coronavirus outbreak (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 OP
.... spicysista Apr 2020 #1
The sailors are worried about life and death not_the_one Apr 2020 #2
Any ship at any time is a fairly dangerous place. Tacking Trumpvirus on the mast makes it ... marble falls Apr 2020 #3
I don't completely follow. Can you clarify? lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #22
Sailors can expect one or more of their shipmates to die on even routine deployments of ships as Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2020 #30
Aircraft carriers are inherently dangerous Phoenix61 Apr 2020 #31
OK thanks. But an epidemic is different than an individual accident. lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #36
Totally agree. I'm sure that's what motivated Phoenix61 Apr 2020 #38
So very wrong..n/t monmouth4 Apr 2020 #4
So wrong you'd think trump was behind the firing... mpcamb Apr 2020 #23
Trump will fire all of them KayF Apr 2020 #5
And who'll drive the bus home with its reactors and nukes? One of the biggest buses ... marble falls Apr 2020 #7
And we plan to fire HIM in November!!! cheezmaka Apr 2020 #16
then sink the ship and say it never existed. nt Javaman Apr 2020 #21
Sink the damn carrier,... with all hands on board.... magicarpet Apr 2020 #37
He's a hero! Dennis Donovan Apr 2020 #6
Secnav? Donovan, you Navy? No doubt, Modly is blowing shit. Why wasn't Modly ... marble falls Apr 2020 #9
Wannabe - I never served Dennis Donovan Apr 2020 #34
No doubt. He was being fast tracked to Admiral. This is not your average swabbie ... marble falls Apr 2020 #45
Yes, Turbineguy Apr 2020 #26
Exactly. EarthFirst Apr 2020 #44
PLEASE NOTE!!!!! MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #8
The kind of leader who should be elevated, instead they scapegoated him. n/t Cognitive_Resonance Apr 2020 #10
Sailors know who is looking out for them. bluescribbler Apr 2020 #11
Exactly BigOleDummy Apr 2020 #14
Maybe it's time DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #48
If I was on board that ship I woudl be cheering for this commander who was trying to ask for help turbinetree Apr 2020 #12
I feel bad for his replacement. whistler162 Apr 2020 #13
It's old commander is coming back exboyfil Apr 2020 #27
Wonder.. BigOleDummy Apr 2020 #15
Well atreides1 Apr 2020 #19
I think the Navy did the only thing they could do exboyfil Apr 2020 #29
Think about the message this is sending out to potential recruits. Siwsan Apr 2020 #17
If possible i hope he's reinstated bluestarone Apr 2020 #18
He was warned not to raise the truth. keithbvadu2 Apr 2020 #20
Trump actually hates the military - he's been the most anti-military President of my lifetime greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #24
An additional video: mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #25
They know he got f**ked over by the yellow bellied draft dodging coward Submariner Apr 2020 #28
Republicans will claim they were glad he was kicked off and cheering his firing. blm Apr 2020 #33
Crozier did what he was supposed to do, report a major problem to his superiors. Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2020 #32
Moving Lulu KC Apr 2020 #35
The first thing I thought of, Bayard Apr 2020 #39
I hope DT sees this Lulu KC Apr 2020 #40
Maybe the top brass in the Pentagon needed a fall guy for directing him to go to Vietnam? Baclava Apr 2020 #41
Just spotted an old outbreak of flu on a Navy ship which would have haunted Navy people a long time: Judi Lynn Apr 2020 #42
Kicked and recommended. ❤ nt littlemissmartypants Apr 2020 #43
That moment, FM123 Apr 2020 #46
Respect and admiration. nt oasis Apr 2020 #47

marble falls

(57,081 posts)
3. Any ship at any time is a fairly dangerous place. Tacking Trumpvirus on the mast makes it ...
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 09:30 AM
Apr 2020

significantly worse.

When I was in boot camp we were told if Enterprise left SF under Golden Gate and went to sea and turned around and came back - a death was not an unexpected thing.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
30. Sailors can expect one or more of their shipmates to die on even routine deployments of ships as
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:35 AM
Apr 2020

Large as aircraft carriers.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
31. Aircraft carriers are inherently dangerous
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:37 AM
Apr 2020

places to work. Lots of heavy equipment, moving parts, some very well trained crew, some first time out. With that many people on board accidents are going to happen.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
36. OK thanks. But an epidemic is different than an individual accident.
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:57 AM
Apr 2020

Pretending nothing is happening will cause more deaths.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
38. Totally agree. I'm sure that's what motivated
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 11:00 AM
Apr 2020

the captain. It’s dangerous enough when all are healthy and at the top of their game.

marble falls

(57,081 posts)
7. And who'll drive the bus home with its reactors and nukes? One of the biggest buses ...
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 09:36 AM
Apr 2020

on the planet.

magicarpet

(14,149 posts)
37. Sink the damn carrier,... with all hands on board....
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:58 AM
Apr 2020

Ain't no trDuumpie voters left on that carrier, what possible worth are they to these Fascist Capitalists Oligarchists now.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
6. He's a hero!
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 09:34 AM
Apr 2020

*Acting* SecNav Modly claims Capt Crozier could've called him personally. I'm very sure Capt Crozier exhausted every avenue (including calling the Pentagon) before he wrote his letter.

I smell bullshit on Modly's part.

marble falls

(57,081 posts)
9. Secnav? Donovan, you Navy? No doubt, Modly is blowing shit. Why wasn't Modly ...
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 09:41 AM
Apr 2020

already aware of the readiness reports on one of the four or so largest ships on the planet?

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
34. Wannabe - I never served
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:42 AM
Apr 2020
But, big on US Naval History.

There's no way Capt Crozier had options beyond having to do what he did. By all accounts, he's a consummate Naval officer. It was clear any other channels were exhausted if he resorted to going public with it.

marble falls

(57,081 posts)
45. No doubt. He was being fast tracked to Admiral. This is not your average swabbie ...
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 12:41 PM
Apr 2020

I've cannot believe how big that boat is, almost 5,000 on the crew. If the Pentagon is really worried about a nuclear powered vessel with nuclear weapons and however many aircraft, they could have had hazmatted Marines providing security.

One of their alleged concerns was that he let the rest of the world know about how undermanned the carrier was going to be in the coming weeks. Hoooey. Any intelligence service already knows what the crew ate for breakfast. And at any rate the rest of the world is suffering to different degrees what that crew was going through.

One of the things that seems trivial to those on the beach is what we salts know: that 'boat' is all we have. We can't let it slip out from underneath us. Its our earth and our nation. Not being up to an E rating is a bug in our throats. No one would want to have another crew relieve us, let alone the fact that literally there are not very many people on the planet that could or would be able to take the ship or its weapons away from us, full compliment of sailors or not.

This guy is being mothballed because he didn't keep his situation under his hat to "prevent panic" (did you see Donnie Two Scoops claim he wasn't ignorant of Trumpvirus, he was trying to prevent panic which if he wanted to, he could create panic better than anyone else in the world?), thinking my son or daughter was on the crew and the Navy was sitting on a bad situation might make me panic. In a bad situation a leader ALWAYS lets his crew in on what they're facing and communicates with Washington, too; and Washington STAYS in contact with the crew and the public.

That's what really bothers me, the situation on board could be the same for any number of causes and there is NO contingency or protocol for it. Unfucking believable and not indicative of the time I spent in blue in the early 70's; and we Viet era white caps were an unruly lot.

The SecNav needs to get all his shit into one sock.

Turbineguy

(37,324 posts)
26. Yes,
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:30 AM
Apr 2020

outbreak of disease on a ship is not unusual enough that there is no process in place for it.

This smells like a trump operation.

EarthFirst

(2,900 posts)
44. Exactly.
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 12:30 PM
Apr 2020

There is a very strict chain of command protocol involved in airing of grievances in the military.

Very like all the way up he was assured that “all is well...” while Croizer knew first hand; that all is not well...

It’s infuriating to see career brass personnel pushed out of the way like this under these circumstances.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
8. PLEASE NOTE!!!!!
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 09:40 AM
Apr 2020

That action was taken by the ACTING Secretary of the Navy!

Yet another important position NOT FILLED by IQ45 - his way of dodging Congressional or formal approval of candidates nominated for crucial positions of leadership of our country.
Then again, why should we expect "qualified" people in those positions since we have the least qualified person EVER living in our White House?

BigOleDummy

(2,270 posts)
14. Exactly
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 09:49 AM
Apr 2020

As an former enlisted man myself I understand their respect for this Captain. We KNEW who was looking out for us and who was just occupying a desk.

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
12. If I was on board that ship I woudl be cheering for this commander who was trying to ask for help
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 09:46 AM
Apr 2020

to save my life and my brothers and sisters life he had principles and empathy for doing what he did and he was probably also thinking of national security....................

And then the asshole sitting on his golden toilet trying his damnedest to save his crimnal enterprise, by showing up at 6:00 PM to say that everything is now a WITCH HUNT or it was a HOAX from the future Nov debacle that is coming this traitors way and "all" the republicans way, that kept this orange hair psychopath in office.............he has BLOOD ON HIS HANDS........he knew back in 2018 when he dismantled the agency to prevent this shit ..............he fucking knew............

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
13. I feel bad for his replacement.
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 09:48 AM
Apr 2020

good news and bad news Captain. The good news is you have command of an aircraft carrier, bad news it is the Theodore Roosevelt!

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
27. It's old commander is coming back
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:31 AM
Apr 2020

I am sure he is just thrilled about the prospect. The XO, who also has the rank of Captain, is in temporary command.

I got to think the Admiral who was this Captain's boss should probably be thinking about his next career. He sat on the same ship with Crozier. To be a fly in the room when those two discussed ship readiness.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
19. Well
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:07 AM
Apr 2020

It was probably his idea. As soon as he read about, he had Esper get off his knees and order Modly to relive Captain Crozier.

While those empty suits in the CNO's office didn't have the courage to stand up and protect a fellow sailor...who did what he was supposed to do!

These days a good portion of the Pentagon brass are nothing more then civilians in camouflage, or wearing jackets with colored ribbons, but lacking in any form of leadership.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
29. I think the Navy did the only thing they could do
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:34 AM
Apr 2020

You can't have a multi-party unsecured email regarding crew fitness on an aircraft carrier. The thing I want to know is what Crozier did before he took such a desperate action. He had to know his Navy career would be over.

Siwsan

(26,262 posts)
17. Think about the message this is sending out to potential recruits.
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 09:55 AM
Apr 2020

While their immediate superiors will fight for them, no matter the situation, they are nowhere on this Administration's priority list. As a Navy veteran, this makes me absolutely sick with rage.

keithbvadu2

(36,793 posts)
20. He was warned not to raise the truth.
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:09 AM
Apr 2020

He was warned not to raise the truth.

Defense Secretary Warns Commanders Not to Surprise Trump on Coronavirus

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213039823

---------------------------
Esper Warns Not to Surprise Trump on Coronavirus

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213041633

==========================

Trump pardons convicted war criminals and fires those who stand up for their troops.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
24. Trump actually hates the military - he's been the most anti-military President of my lifetime
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:22 AM
Apr 2020

and possibly ever.

He makes a point of insulting military members at least several times a year.

It's telling that the only military person he has actively venerated was the war criminal who the military itself judged to be dishonorable.

The list of Trump's contempt for the military is long, from his campaign disrespect of John McCain, through his insults of the widow of the green beret killed in Africa, his insults of Matthis after the resignation. On and on.

It's the one institution in American life that Trump thinks he might have trouble undermining, so he attacks it constantly. He's a pig.

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
28. They know he got f**ked over by the yellow bellied draft dodging coward
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:32 AM
Apr 2020

treason weasel in the White House. Righteous applause by his crew.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
32. Crozier did what he was supposed to do, report a major problem to his superiors.
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:37 AM
Apr 2020

Apparently, he should not have sent an e-mail that was read by too many people, one of whom leaked it to the press. Crozier is being scapegoated for something someone else did.

Lulu KC

(2,565 posts)
35. Moving
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:45 AM
Apr 2020

Thank you for sharing.
Can he come and be our dad? We have a very mean dad. I want a nice dad.
#JungianArchetypesCovid-19Style

Bayard

(22,063 posts)
39. The first thing I thought of,
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 11:20 AM
Apr 2020

In seeing this clip, was--OMG! There's no way this crowd is not all infected! the whole ship should just be turned into a hospital.

I salute you, Captain Crozier!

Like so many in government these days, trying to do the right thing, and getting swatted for it.

Lulu KC

(2,565 posts)
40. I hope DT sees this
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 11:24 AM
Apr 2020

and that it makes his blood run cold and hot tears come flying down his cheeks. I hope he sees it and says, "I need to go home and never show my face in public again."
Let me have my fantasy.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
41. Maybe the top brass in the Pentagon needed a fall guy for directing him to go to Vietnam?
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 11:40 AM
Apr 2020

Which I heard he objected to, is this where the outbreak started?




Theodore Roosevelt Strike Group Completes Port Visit to Da Nang to Commemorate 25 Years of Diplomatic Relations


March 12, 2020

DA NANG, Vietnam -- USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) and USS Bunker Hill (CG 52) successfully completed a scheduled five-day port visit to Da Nang, Vietnam on March 9. The visit, which commemorated 25 years of U.S.-Vietnam diplomatic relations, followed the historic 2018 visit of USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), demonstrated the strong U.S. commitment to its comprehensive partnership with Vietnam and to a free and open Indo-Pacific.

“We are honored to receive such a wonderful and warm welcome from the people of Vietnam,” said Adm. Aquilino in a March 6 telephone briefing with journalists. “This port call highlights our continued cooperation and strong support for Vietnam…Our commitment to each other, including this week’s visit, will help ensure a stable, predictable, and durable relationship based on mutual interests, values, and trust.”

https://www.pacom.mil/Media/News/New...o-commemorate/

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
42. Just spotted an old outbreak of flu on a Navy ship which would have haunted Navy people a long time:
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 11:53 AM
Apr 2020

DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY -- NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER
805 KIDDER BREESE SE -- WASHINGTON NAVY YARD
WASHINGTON DC 20374-5060
Casualties: US Navy and Marine Corps Personnel Killed and Injured in Selected Accidents and Other Incidents Not Directly the Result of Enemy Action

. . .

Pandemic of influenza. First outbreak in Navy occurred in January 1918 on USS Minneapolis in Philadelphia Navy Yard, subsequently spreading throughout the Navy, particularly during the outbreak of September/October 1918: 4,907 died and 146,446 sick (influenza, bronchitis and all forms of pneumonia included) 1918. 558 died from influenza in 1919; and 278 in 1920.

https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/NHC/accidents.htm

FM123

(10,053 posts)
46. That moment,
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 01:58 PM
Apr 2020

when he stopped then saluted them as they chanted out his name...
That says it all. Who he did this for. That is what a real leader looks like.

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