Americans are almost certainly dying of covid-19 but being left out of the official count
Source: Washington Post
Coronavirus death toll: Americans are almost certainly dying of covid-19 but being left out of the official count
The fast-spreading novel coronavirus is almost certainly killing Americans who are not included in the nations growing death toll, according to public health experts and government officials involved in the tally.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention counts only deaths in which the presence of the coronavirus is confirmed in a laboratory test. We know that it is an underestimation, agency spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund said.
A widespread lack of access to testing in the early weeks of the U.S. outbreak means people with respiratory illnesses died without being counted, epidemiologists say. Even now, some people who die at home or in overburdened nursing homes are not being tested, according to funeral directors, medical examiners and nursing home representatives.
Postmortem testing by medical examiners varies widely across the country, and some officials say testing the dead is a misuse of scarce resources that could be used on the living. In addition, some people who have the virus test negative, experts say.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/coronavirus-death-toll-americans-are-almost-certainly-dying-of-covid-19-but-being-left-out-of-the-official-count/2020/04/05/71d67982-747e-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html
This is a free-to-read article; much more at link
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)The old Nazi expression: "Heads will roll!"
BComplex
(8,019 posts)I'm glad they wrote the article, however. More investigative journalists need to hop on this, as well. It is HUGE news, when you think about it. Americans are being lied to big time by this administration, and even MAGAts don't like that.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)"Americans are being lied to big time by this administration, and even MAGAts don't like that."
From all I've encountered, MAGAT's appear to fukcing LOVE being lied to.
It's like literally their favorite thing, ever.
BComplex
(8,019 posts)They're pretty sick people. That's why they're fox "news" fans, after all.
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)tRump is the sadist in this sick relationship.
keithbvadu2
(36,667 posts)Trump has already shown that he wants the count shortchanged so that he looks better.
RestoreAmerica2020
(3,434 posts)..ralliss and that is a chrryon at bottom of screen depicting the current #of cases and and deaths. This is the responsibility of msmto provide this information. Also I've noticed in campaign ads against trump dems or groups are not depicting the #numbers as well. Why is this importsnt--to alert the americ an people th at what he is doing on COVD-19 IS not working. Wake up America!
Worldmeter- Updated April 05, 2020, 16:13 GMT
United States
Coronavirus Cases:
323,168
Deaths:
9,158
gristy
(10,667 posts)That's gonna hurt, though. Would be a big jump.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/03/covid-19s-death-toll-appears-higher-than-official-figures-suggest
paleotn
(17,884 posts)No, no and fucking NO! Doing this gathers information and that is the ammunition vital to stopping or slowing down a pandemic! The data on what is actually happening in the real world is of utmost importance. Create, produce, beg, borrow and steal every test available to determine..... Who has the virus....How did they likely acquire it....Who else have they possibly infected. Do that early, isolate the chains of infection and you squash the pandemic. Don't....and it's the ultimate case of pay me now or pay me a whole hell of a lot later. Why that's so fucking hard for humans to understand, I'll never know.
When this is over, the American response to CvD-19 will be the primary case study on WHAT NOT TO FUCKING DO to respond to a pandemic. For all our wealth and scientific muscle, outside of notable exceptions in NY state and a few other places, we're a collection of fucking idiots!
gristy
(10,667 posts)And since nobody is using tracing and contact isolation anymore (we're several weeks past when that would have been effective or even possible), there just isn't any point.
paleotn
(17,884 posts)You cannot isolate an outbreak without testing. And that includes the recently deceased.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)is an RN working there.
appalachiablue
(41,103 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)Death rates in the same county now. Do it daily or weekly, my bet is youll have a much clearer picture of whats happening.
You may have to allow for fewer deaths from car accidents currently though.
Not a statistician, just a pandemic hobbyist.
EarthFirst
(2,897 posts)So true..
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)Maeve
(42,271 posts)But there will be better estimates of the scope of deaths somewhere (somewhen?) down the road.
joanbarnes
(1,721 posts)progree
(10,893 posts)Health experts say they now believe nearly one in three patients who are infected are nevertheless getting a negative test result. They caution that only limited data is available, and their estimates are based on their own experience in the absence of hard science.
That picture is troubling, many doctors say, as it casts doubt on the reliability of a wave of new tests developed by manufacturers, lab companies and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Most of these are operating with minimal regulatory oversight and little time to do robust studies amid a desperate call for wider testing.
More: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/questions-about-accuracy-of-coronavirus-tests-sow-worry/ar-BB124KXh?ocid=spartandhp
China found similar results: 60% tested positive but 90% had tell-tale signs of the virus in CT chest scans.
False positives occur at a much lower rate
So anyway, keep this in mind if you or someone close to you tests negative... there's about a 1/3 chance that test result is wrong, so act accordingly.
The article is free in full at the above msn.com link
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)but I see this as a technical issue for the medical researchers. We know the death count is growing, and what we need to do to slow it down.
hay rick
(7,588 posts)I initially assumed the delay was due to a rapid increase in American testing and confirmed cases. The peak in deaths is expected to lag the peak in new infections. If the American mortality rates don't catch up soon I have to believe that the true numbers are being suppressed. Todays numbers: worldwide cases, deaths: 1,197,413 and 64,605. American cases, deaths: 308,259 and 8,384. Rest of the world cases, deaths (worldwide numbers minus American numbers): 889,154 and 56,221. The mortality rate for the rest of the world is 6.3%. The American mortality rate is 2.7%. We should expect a rapid increase in deaths attributed to COVID-19...or something is very fishy.
I wasn't able to read the article.
SunSeeker
(51,515 posts)Testing is a disgusting joke in the US.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)Cozmo
(1,402 posts)Is it because the dumb-fuck administration knows that numbers they've been sitting on are going to be released this week?
Maeve
(42,271 posts)The slope of infection, the critical mass of cases, the average time from first symptoms to death--that is the main cause.
Squinch
(50,916 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)at work in late February. In a major US metropolitan area with a huge international airport and lots of lots of people from China and Asia living in the region. All she was told is that "It is not any known strain of influenza" People at work (residents and staff) with flu vaccine got it. She got it. The whole family got it. Since I am a doctor I asked to be tested since I did not want to take it back to work where many of my patients are 80-100 years old. I was told that without any foreign travel I did not qualify for testing.
We now know that this virus has been in the US for a while, nursing homes are often sites of epidemics and lots of people from all around the world stop in our airport as they change flights. Plus, who knows how many of our local Chinese went home for New Year?
When the antibody test becomes available, I may finally know.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)Detroit is a major destination back and forth from China due to the automotive industry.
My sister had it worse than I did. Doc told her he did not know what it was.
An acquaintance whos wife is a nurse also had it.
Id love to have an antibody test, because if I have antibodies I could give plasma.