Fauci: Coronavirus immunity cards for Americans are 'being discussed'

[brooklynite]

Source: Politico

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, revealed Friday the federal government is considering issuing Americans certificates of immunity from the coronavirus, as the Trump administration works to better identify those who have been infected and restart the U.S. economy in the coming weeks.

"You know, that's possible," Fauci told CNN's "New Day," when asked whether he could imagine a time when people across the country carry such forms of identification.


Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/10/fauci-coronavirus-immunity-cards-for-americans-are-being-discussed-178784

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Brings a whole new meaning to "show me your papers"...

[TygrBright]

1. This is The Onion, right...? We don't KNOW if antibodies convey reliable immunity! n/t

[still_one]

52. +++

[Nay]

59. Not only do we not know if antibodies convey reliable immunity, we don't know if

the presence of antibodies means that these immune people aren't still shedding virus. We've already had super-spreaders who have no symptoms, but infect dozens of people at a time. Surely they have antibodies, but they are still dangerous to others.

[rzemanfl]

2. Unimaginable. I will practice walking around saying "unclean." I am 72 and not

about to get the virus to get my papers. What about someone who is 25? What would they do? Fauci is overworked and not thinking clearly on this one.

[cayugafalls]

3. This is going to feed right into conspiracy theories about tracking.

They already believe that a vaccine will have a micro tracker in it and that only people who are immune or vaccinated will be allowed to work, get food, etc...

The crazies will eat this up.

[Kaiserguy]

25. The mark of the beast

I wonder will we just get a card or will we have to have 666 branded on our forehead. Had this happened under a Democratic President RW Christians would be saying it was God punishment for not voting Republican and that the card was the mark of the beast. Funny how when bad things happen with a Republican in the WH they don't have anything to say.

[tiptonic]

4. So if

So if your 'papers are not correct", do we got straight to a concentration camp?

[durablend]

5. Lemme guess--red cards for blue states?

Can't have those people voting and infecting people now can we?

[cstanleytech]

7. Don't forget the armbands.

[yourmovemonkey]

10. Cards and armbands are too easy to fake

I'm sure Trump would love the idea of some more permanent form of marking for the chosen.

I wonder if his evangelical followers will grasp the irony of lining up to receive their "mark".

[DUar17]

12. A trump mark like a cross or a "T" on their forehead.

[Baked Potato]

6. So many things could go wrong with this, prob why it's being considered.

Mistakes
Counterfeit certificates
False sense of security
Stigmas
Exclusionary practices

[WePurrsevere]

8. So people who "stay home" and take all of the precautions to avoid...

getting this nasty might be DOL for being able to go back to work (what about travel, etc) until there's a vaccine because they won't have the test results showing immunity?

From what I understand they're not even totally sure that people who have had it and recovered are totally immune or for how long.

[OrlandoDem2]

9. "Show me your papers"

[rictofen]

11. They didn't say wristbands because that'd be too obvious a ripoff of a certain pandemic movie n/t

[Just_Vote_Dem]

13. So, what if you take a test and it's negative,

Then somebody sneezes on you the next day?

[rzemanfl]

14. You misunderstand, this would be a test for antibodies, showing you'd recovered. n/t

[Just_Vote_Dem]

15. Ah, I see

I was thinking it was an antigen test, thanks for filling me in

[keithbvadu2]

16. How to have republicans shoot it down. Insist that the issuing authority can also issue voter IDs.

How to have republicans shoot it down. Insist that the issuing authority can also issue voter IDs.

[sarcasmo]

17. GILEAD in big red letters, on the card?

[lavenderdiva]

18. How is Fauci commenting to CNN?

I thought Pence’s office said none of the task force could speak to CNN as long as they wouldn’t broadcast the daily Whitehouse updates weren’t broadcast in their entirety

[True Blue American]

29. Pence would not allow

Medical experts to speak to CNN. He had to rescind that! Doctor Fauci was on CNN yesterday.

The good Doctor could have his own show. Every station wants him. Doctor Fauci was on with Brian Williams yesterday. They had to arrange it.

Now if cable would just cut the Trump portion,only show the Medical experts. Local stations do not show any of them now. So people are switching to local stations.

[demtenjeep]

19. oh god

it gets scarier daily

[iluvtennis]

20. This is absurd. Is there really an immunity to Covid-19? There have beencases of re-infection

in Japan and China.

[Loki Liesmith]

26. I doubt that's true

If reinfection occurred it’s super rare. More likely it was a false be false negative between two positive tests.

[underpants]

28. I've been trying to follow immunity on this and I've seen no example

I see it mentioned but I can't find that there's any proof of developing immunity

[DallasNE]

21. Looking At Today's Numbers

They won't be issuing very many cards. Plus, nobody knows how long the immunity will last. Is it 2 months or 2 years? What will they tell us when they have been issued?

It seems to me that we are stuck in a rut until a vaccine has been developed and then the demand will be so huge it will take years to get everybody immunized. And then will we need to start over again? How long will this be hanging over our shoulders?

[greymattermom]

55. The immunity id could expire when the vaccine becomes available.

[BusyBeingBest]

22. So there will be a special privileged class of people

who can go back to work and support their families and travel as they please, and the rest of us must hide in our hidey-holes until we either get sick ourselves or get vaccinated 18 months from now? Fuck THAT shit. I might just stop with the gloves and mask at the supermarket if that's how it's going to be.

[Loki Liesmith]

27. Such a selfless attitude.

[Ponietz]

33. Infect his friends, too, for some company

[uncle ray]

43. that's right, go get sick and die in protest. that'll show em!

[BusyBeingBest]

45. I wouldn't intentionally get sick. And I would never get within six feet of anyone

or be out and about with symptoms. I've been more cautious and courteous than most, where I live. But what Fauci seems to be saying is that if you get sick and recover, you will be free to resume employment and feed your family and keep your house without begging for government aid-- and if you follow the current guidelines, don't get sick, and never go anywhere but your yard, then you must keep doing that until they come up with a vaccine--18 months? Two years? Long before that point I would just not care anymore and take my chances. As it stands now, I imagine most Americans will stop being compliant by June or July, "special immunity card" or not. They told us we had to "flatten the curve", not hide out for months/years until this all goes away or we get a vaccine.

[Politicub]

49. *If* is the operative word

If you get sick, you may not recover. Is that a risk that you're willing to take? What would your family or loved ones do? Are you okay with making them sick?

This is a horrible time in American history. President Biden will need to restore and repair what Trump has broken while keeping Americans safe from starvation, homelessness and poverty.

[BusyBeingBest]

51. If I was younger and someone told me I had a choice to have antibodies and have a livelihood

versus having no livelihood, no money, continued isolation, and wait potentially years for a vaccine (yeah right, they can't even provide widespread testing), then I would take my chances. I don't face this choice right now, my circumstances allow me to self-isolate and be financially OK for the time being, but my adult son and daughter-in-law and grand baby are hurting financially right now. The vast majority of people middle-aged and below are going to be OK even when they catch this--that's a fact. I have to make my own personal risk assessment, age and health wise, and for that of my household. Now, would I potentially expose vulnerable people to the virus? No. I don't know when I'm going to see some people in my family again--probably not until I get tested. My point is that everyone is going to have to come to grips with the idea that your health and safety are ultimately going to be up to you, because we aren't going to be at a national standstill forever in order to protect retirement aged folks and those who are more at-risk.

[iluvtennis]

50. Thanks for clarifying your position. The complete solution is testing folks before they go back

to work, school, etc and tracking those results and having people periodically scanned to verify they are still non problematic. China and SOuth Korea have done this. Question is who pays for this -- I say it should be combo of government, industry, institutions.

This would be the solution until a vaccine becomes available. My opinion only.

BTW, there was a post on DU on Friday where a group is strategizing a solution, see here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142467894

...a collection of governors, former government officials, disease specialists and nonprofits are pursuing a strategy that relies on the three pillars of disease control: Ramp up testing to identify people who are infected. Find everyone they interact with by deploying contact tracing on a scale America has never attempted before. And focus restrictions more narrowly on the infected and their contacts so the rest of society doesn’t have to stay in permanent lockdown.

[BusyBeingBest]

53. I fully agree with that highlighted paragraph.

Rather than give a few people "antibody cards", I would focus on giving people at risk LOTS of special considerations and financial support, while actively monitoring things like testing and hospital capacity, etc.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. Mark of the Beast . . . nt

[marble falls]

24. Only f the beast you refer to is Trump.

[d_r]

44. Yep

[catsudon]

30. the china system?

an app that shows your're green? that tracks you at the same time?

[Chainfire]

31. Your papers please

Perhaps they could add some other diseases to the card as well. AIDS, Syphilis , Conservatism.

[OnDoutside]

32. And the forgery trade takes a sharp turn .....

[padah513]

35. Won't happen

That would mean that they'd have to test everybody and they don't seem to be in a rush to do that.

[janterry]

36. This kind of crap article is fear mongering

He meant that some of us HAVE immunity and can return to work safely. He wasn't trying to discriminate against some of us. He was brainstorming ways to PROTECT us.

If you DON'T have immunity - do you WANT to go back to work? What if you have asthma? Heart disease?? Diabetes??

Cripes. I support trying to figure out who is safe to return to work and who still runs a risk.

[samnsara]

37. viral apartheid....

..so what happens when it mutates?

[janterry]

39. watch the video I posted

if you are interested in Dr. Fauci and his teams perspective.

This article is not helpful.

[beachbumbob]

38. it will have to happen if we want to safeguard the people with NO immunities

[Squinch]

40. They'd need testing for that, and testing will show exactly how badly they botched

the response.

For that reason, I think immunity cards are unlikely.

Donnie Bodybags will ensure we all just have to get out there and take our chances.

[SummerSnow]

41. Here we go

[doc03]

42. Another step in making the USA into the USSR

or Nazi Germany. I just heard them talking about Apple and Google coming up with a phone app that will trace your every movement. If you happen to come in close contact with someone with the virus they can quarantine you. My god it's 1984.

[RVN VET71]

48. Great slogan: Make America Germany Again, or MAGA!

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

64. Easy solution to that is to not bring a smart phone with you every place you go.

If this were ever a thing. Get a crappy flip phone instead.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

46. When this virus started in the US it seems they announced postponing Enhanced National ID for travel

Could it be that immunity to the virus would be noted by chip on Enhanced ID? The two birds with one stone idea.

Since it requires a blood test, perhaps blood type would be on ID, as well. Whether or not one is vaccinated could preclude one from flying or interstate travel due to virus exposure - that could be included on the ID. A handy control mechanism. Let's see, what other identifying info about us are they wanting? Family info, political and religious affiliation?


How will this be sold to the public other than manipulation through fear?

[RVN VET71]

47. What a great idea because it is so corruption-proof!

Our politicians would never even think about getting cards for family, friends and, especially, contributors. No way, right?

[BusyBeingBest]

56. I'm going to guess that certain beaches, golf clubs, and ski resorts will suddenly open up

to very "special" exclusive crowds of cardholders.

[RVN VET71]

63. Yes.

But I wouldn't want to go near beaches, country clubs or any resorts filled with the kind of human feces who'd be there, anyway.

[still_one]

54. Until a vaccine is developed, or the virus burns out, this will remain a problem

[Ferrets are Cool]

57. Un-fucking-believable...accept during this shitshow. nt

[Baclava]

58. Ship all those without immunity cards offworld to the asteroid mines, its the only way to be safe

[DeminPennswoods]

60. There will be a healthy market for conterfeits

if that policy is implemented.

[jayfish]

61. "We're going to get you that immunity card...

I would like you to do us a favor though"

[Tom Rinaldo]

62. Let's watch this play out. How to get a job or travel? Show an immunity Card. How to get a card?...

Prove you have anti-bodies to Covid -19. How to develop anti-bodies to Covid-19? Get the disease and then recover from it.

So... in a nation where young adults have repeatedly been given the message that, unlike older Americans, they almost certainly will only suffer mild symptoms from a bout with Covid-19, they will be told that greater opportunities await them AFTER they have gotten the disease and quickly recovered from it?

What could possibly go wrong?

[Hekate]

65. Translation: We are trying to talk the Effing Moron out of the idea. nt