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sl8

(13,747 posts)
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 07:05 AM Apr 2020

Mexico Closes US Owned Plant for Refusal to Sell Ventilators

Source: U.S. News & World Report

The northern Mexico border state of Baja California has closed a plant run by the Anglo-American health care firm Smiths Medical for allegedly refusing to sell ventilators to Mexican hospitals.

By Associated Press, Wire Service Content?April 10, 2020
U.S. News & World Report

TIJUANA, MEXICO (AP) — The northern Mexico border state of Baja California closed a plant run by the Anglo-American health care firm Smiths Medical Friday for allegedly refusing to sell ventilators to Mexican hospitals.

Baja California Gov. Jaime Bonilla said the firm refused to sell Mexico some of the machines, which are badly needed to treat patients with coronavirus.

[...]

The company did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Industry sources have argued the factory is an export-only plant that operates under special rules that allow it to import raw materials and parts duty-free, on the condition they be re-exported and not sold on the local market.

Read more: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/minnesota/articles/2020-04-10/mexico-closes-us-owned-plant-for-refusal-to-sell-ventilators

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Mexico Closes US Owned Plant for Refusal to Sell Ventilators (Original Post) sl8 Apr 2020 OP
I don't get it.. Maxheader Apr 2020 #1
It appears that their Mexican company charter ... Laelth Apr 2020 #12
Jobs? SpankMe Apr 2020 #38
Partially, sure. Laelth Apr 2020 #39
I think it's time to say "Fuck the rules". Lochloosa Apr 2020 #2
Careful what you wish for Trump already thinks no rules apply to him and you see where that got us. usaf-vet Apr 2020 #17
Why not change the rules? Laelth Apr 2020 #18
It would be in the interest of the Mexican people and the company BrightKnight Apr 2020 #22
US export laws may not allow the company BrightKnight Apr 2020 #29
Global emergency will trump a lot of rules and contracts bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #3
Your point is good. But "trump" is the new swear word. Trump can go trump himself, hard. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #6
Love it Roy Rolling Apr 2020 #11
"Everything Trump Touches Dies" TryLogic Apr 2020 #13
Or Wuhan Don Bengus81 Apr 2020 #21
Multinationals wil! soon learn Cirque du So-What Apr 2020 #4
Except that misses the context. Igel Apr 2020 #30
I think right wing America can identify with this 'Mexico First' policy. johnthewoodworker Apr 2020 #5
They wanted "some" of the machines...not all KSNY Apr 2020 #7
More from your link UpInArms Apr 2020 #8
Makes sense to me. 2naSalit Apr 2020 #14
Good for Mr. Bonilla! Nay Apr 2020 #16
The American company really did not think this thru. avebury Apr 2020 #9
They may have calculated that this BrightKnight Apr 2020 #28
Baja California Gov. Jaime Bonilla better be cautious. He is interfering in NCjack Apr 2020 #10
++++++++++++++!!!! 2naSalit Apr 2020 #15
He is mad at a company for doing what MEXICAN LAW requires it to do: Jake Stern Apr 2020 #42
Easy enough to get around that rule. Just donate them. efhmc Apr 2020 #19
For a Mexican gov't cash subsidy equal to the sale price. keithbvadu2 Apr 2020 #27
Hummmmmm Toorich Apr 2020 #20
Same answers as always. Laelth Apr 2020 #23
The executives, engineers etc. can live on beautiful southern California BrightKnight Apr 2020 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author BrightKnight Apr 2020 #26
Same reason we prefer to buy cheaper imports Igel Apr 2020 #32
Get with the program...individuals want to save moneyGOOD Corp. wants to save moneyBAD EX500rider Apr 2020 #34
"Bonilla ordered the factory closed because it was providing no essential service to Mexicans" dalton99a Apr 2020 #25
No. Igel Apr 2020 #33
So mexico literally shuts down production of life saving equipment and half the people here cheer mathematic Apr 2020 #31
Yep. I agree. nt EX500rider Apr 2020 #35
A lot of people misunderstood the complexity of the situation, I think. n/t Laelth Apr 2020 #40
Open question: This is under USMCA rules now not NAFTA. tirebiter Apr 2020 #36
They could export them over the boarder and send them right back. rickford66 Apr 2020 #37
america first up the moron's ass. pansypoo53219 Apr 2020 #41
Company is Correct Baja2012 Apr 2020 #43
Welcome to DU. Laelth Apr 2020 #44
Baja Resident Baja2012 Apr 2020 #45
Excellent. Laelth Apr 2020 #46

Maxheader

(4,372 posts)
1. I don't get it..
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 07:20 AM
Apr 2020

For what reason?..Why won't the Minnesota corp fab and give the hospitals

the equipment?

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
12. It appears that their Mexican company charter ...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 09:01 AM
Apr 2020

... doesn’t ALLOW them to sell products in Mexico. They are, under Mexican law, an export-only factory.

BUT, because they provide no essential benefit to Mexico, they were in violation of Baja California’s stay-at-home order by continuing to operate the plant, so the Governor shut them down.



-Laelth

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
38. Jobs?
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:49 PM
Apr 2020

I think Mexico and other countries have these export only factories because of the jobs they provide. Not much other benefit to the host country, but better than nothing.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
39. Partially, sure.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:04 PM
Apr 2020

In addition, they don’t want American manufacturers competing against Mexican manufacturers in the Mexican market.

-Laelth

usaf-vet

(6,181 posts)
17. Careful what you wish for Trump already thinks no rules apply to him and you see where that got us.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 09:29 AM
Apr 2020

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
18. Why not change the rules?
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 09:34 AM
Apr 2020

If the Mexican government were to grant this company an emergency exemption from their corporate charter (which forbids them from selling their products in Mexico), then I suspect this company would be HAPPY to sell some ventilators to Mexico if for no other reason than to get the plant up and running again.

-Laelth

BrightKnight

(3,567 posts)
29. US export laws may not allow the company
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:06 AM
Apr 2020

to export scarce ventilators parts if they are not for re-import. I am sure the lists have been updated. Requesting exceptions takes time and I doubt that it would be granted.

Cirque du So-What

(25,931 posts)
4. Multinationals wil! soon learn
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 07:56 AM
Apr 2020

they don't own every fucking thing. They'll also get schooled in good citizenship, like addressing the needs of their host countries. A brief perusal of industries that have been nationalized is in order as well.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
30. Except that misses the context.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:12 AM
Apr 2020

"You can only produce for export. That's what we, the Mexican government, order."

"Okay."

"WTF? You're only producing for export? How dare you? There are orders from good, loyal, patriotic *Mexican* hospitals you, the foreigner, are not filling. You're closed."

"We were just doing what you said."

"That's disrespectful, foreigner! Don't point out that we're being inconsistent. Do what we say now, not what the rules we wrote say. What matters is what individual bureaucrats decide minute by minuet and how you obey--that's what it means to be patriotic."

That's the context. You follow the rules the government says, you get kicked in the nuts. You don't follow the rules, you get kicked in the nuts. Either way, the nuts kick and nuts are kicked. Sounds like a life that would make *me* want to emigrate.

UpInArms

(51,281 posts)
8. More from your link
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 08:32 AM
Apr 2020
Bonilla said the firm had continued to operate its assembly plant under the argument it provided an “essential” service, when most non-essential plants have been ordered closed to combat the pandemic.

But Bonilla ordered the Smiths Medical factory closed, because he argued it was providing no such essential service to Mexicans, and thus was not obeying health emergency contingency measures.

“We said to them ‘if you want us to consider you essential, you have to provide some benefit to the people of Baja California, by selling us ventilators, because we need them,’" Bonilla said. “They said ‘no, we are not going to sell you anything, we are just going to continue to use your labor’.”


I really cannot argue with the logic there

avebury

(10,952 posts)
9. The American company really did not think this thru.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 08:34 AM
Apr 2020

They probably located the factory in Mexico to achieve cheaper costs and then bit the hand that fed them. Mexico did not submit an unreasonable request. They didn't demand all of their ventilators, just some of them. It really should not come across as any great surprise. It will be interesting to see if Trump weighs in the matter. I don't think that he would have a leg to stand on if he berates Mexico considering the fact that FEMA keeps stealing supplies that have been meant for US states. If any of the States had paid out any money for the stolen items it would be interesting to see a Governor insist upon pressing criminal charges for grand theft against the FEMA employee responsible for stealing the items. That is an issue that the voters would understand and would hurt Trump in November.

BrightKnight

(3,567 posts)
28. They may have calculated that this
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 10:50 AM
Apr 2020

is not a big deal. They can divert the supply chain and do the work I’m the US. I doubt that thin profit margins are driving their decisions in the current climate.

Also, the may not be able to get access to scarce Brno parts if they are for export.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
10. Baja California Gov. Jaime Bonilla better be cautious. He is interfering in
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 08:35 AM
Apr 2020

the flow of profits to Jared Medical Supplies, Subsidiary of TrumpCo.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
42. He is mad at a company for doing what MEXICAN LAW requires it to do:
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 11:22 PM
Apr 2020

manufacture their product solely for export.

You're right on one thing: He better be cautious. Cautious that pulling these kinds of stunts will convince these companies to go elsewhere and take their much needed jobs with them.

The guv could have petitioned the Mexican government to grant a temporary exemption to the "export only" regs however he instead chose to go full Trumper and shut down a plant manufacturing vital medical equipment out of nationalistic spite.

A dollar is a dollar and then company, freed from that rule, would have gladly sold the equipment to Mexican hospitals.

Once again: The company did nothing wrong and was only adhering to the rules imposed on it by the Mexican government.

keithbvadu2

(36,775 posts)
27. For a Mexican gov't cash subsidy equal to the sale price.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 10:49 AM
Apr 2020

For a Mexican gov't cash subsidy equal to the sale price.

Toorich

(391 posts)
20. Hummmmmm
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 10:06 AM
Apr 2020

just curious, why would an American company build and run a manufacturing plant in beautiful Baja California?

BrightKnight

(3,567 posts)
24. The executives, engineers etc. can live on beautiful southern California
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 10:32 AM
Apr 2020

and still have access to cheaper near shore manufacturing.

Response to BrightKnight (Reply #24)

Igel

(35,300 posts)
32. Same reason we prefer to buy cheaper imports
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:14 AM
Apr 2020

and those near the border often go across the border for things like medications or health care.

dalton99a

(81,455 posts)
25. "Bonilla ordered the factory closed because it was providing no essential service to Mexicans"
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 10:37 AM
Apr 2020

Hard to argue with that


Igel

(35,300 posts)
33. No.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:17 AM
Apr 2020

But it's hard for the Mexicans to complain, even as they shut something that might wind up killing non-Mexicans.

Bah. Non-Mexicans can die. Just make more demand for Mexican labor abroad. Makes the government there seem truly humanitarian. Won't help others, even passively.

Otherwise it's a case of having set up the rules, you can either change them or follow them. For a government to impose rules then demand that the rules be broken just sets up things for the government to come along later and punish the company for breaking the rules. But of course, a caring, humanitarian government would never do that.

First, I guess, you'd have to find a caring, humanitarian government, because it's already shown Baja California doesn't have one.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
31. So mexico literally shuts down production of life saving equipment and half the people here cheer
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:14 AM
Apr 2020

That's fucked up.

tirebiter

(2,536 posts)
36. Open question: This is under USMCA rules now not NAFTA.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:04 PM
Apr 2020

This wasn’t somehow figured in to favor the US by that brilliant Trump guy?

rickford66

(5,523 posts)
37. They could export them over the boarder and send them right back.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:09 PM
Apr 2020

Or how about Mexico granting for one month, a single square inch of sovereign territory in the plant to the US to accept the exports.

Baja2012

(2 posts)
43. Company is Correct
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 10:41 AM
Apr 2020

Just to provide some information before everyone criticizes the company without understanding the facts. The company is a maquiladora and is not legally allowed to sell products in Mexico. They do not even have a way to sell in Mexico if they wanted, all business transactions are using electronic PO`s in USD. This is part of the trade law negotiated between US and Mexico. It would require an agreement between the 2 government's to allow company to sell directly to Mexico. The reason they can't be shipped to US and imported back to Mexico is once products are shipped across the border without paying a import tax they become legal property of whatever hospital in the US purchased them. The US hospital would have to release the ventilators to be sold back to Mexico and then they would have the Mexican 16% VAT applied to them to be re-imported. The factory GM and even the owner of the company does not have the power to change trade laws on their own.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
44. Welcome to DU.
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 10:58 AM
Apr 2020

May we assume that you are a company representative?



Either way, welcome.



-Laelth

Baja2012

(2 posts)
45. Baja Resident
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 11:26 AM
Apr 2020

I am not representing the company but I work in same industrial complex they are located in. I work for a large US maquiladora so I am aware of the rules and understand it is not something that is easy to do as everyone has been stating. I have been here for 10 years but never post but since this something I deal with every day I thought I would let everyone know that it is not something that is easy to do. For example my company builds products for multiple different US companies but the products don't belong to us we are just organized as a maquiladora and if we tried to sell directly into Mexico we would face having our license revoked and shutdown. No company is going to make that kind of decision to violate the law and put there factory at risk without some joint authorization from US/Mexico trade compliance.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
46. Excellent.
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 11:42 AM
Apr 2020

Well I, for one, am happy to have you with us and am glad that you can explain the complexities of US/Mexico trade relations to us.



-Laelth

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