U.S. Now Has the World's Deadliest Coronavirus Outbreak

[riversedge]

Source: bloomberg



April 11, 2020, 10:43 AM CDT Updated on April 11, 2020, 11:55 AM CDT

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American deaths from the coronavirus passed Italy’s, affirming the U.S.’s spot as the epicenter of the global pandemic.

Deaths from the virus reached at least 18,860 in the U.S., according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. Italy had 619 new deaths for a total of 18,849. New York reported 783 new fatalities on Saturday morning -- yet to be included in the Johns Hopkins numbers -- and the U.S. figure will rise throughout the day as more states report data.

The heavy toll in the U.S. -- and much of Europe -- is linked to the failure to enact widespread measures like mass testing and social distancing early enough to prevent the virus from taking hold. Parts of the U.S. were still not locked down in recent days, creating the opportunity for wider spread in places that haven’t suffered as much as hot spots in New York and Detroit


That the U.S. has more deaths than Italy isn’t that surprising given that its population of 330 million is five times greater. The statistics may also be incomplete, thanks to differences in testing and reporting among countries....................

Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-11/u-s-now-has-the-world-s-deadliest-coronavirus-outbreak?srnd=premium

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we did it. the #USA is Number One!!

[riversedge]

1. .....Last Milestone: The World Just Hit 1 Million Coronavirus Infections That day, Trump said.....

...........Last Milestone: The World Just Hit 1 Million Coronavirus Infections

That day, President Donald Trump said at a White House press briefing that the U.S. had the situation “so well under control.” There were only 15 cases of coronavirus across the country, he said, and “we’re going very substantially down, not up.”


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-11/u-s-now-has-the-world-s-deadliest-coronavirus-outbreak?srnd=premium

[IronLionZion]

2. Trump always promised to put America first

people made assumptions as to what that meant

[diverdownjt]

43. This is the new American Exceptionalism....

Are we just rearranging the deck chairs now???

Welcome to our very own Dystopian future.

We must Rage against the dying of the Light that was our great nation!!!

[ffr]

3. The animated horse race displayed. How we got here.

This is updated daily, but reflects numbers up to yesterday. (Good to bookmark)
Coronavirus Pandemic Cases
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1697102/embed?auto=1

Coronavirus Pandemic Deaths
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1682858/embed?auto=1

[Stuart G]

5. Horrific..everyone needs to be aware of this..& watch, and who is responsible? Trump

[keithbvadu2]

4. China has more population than America and they truly did start from scratch.

China has more population than America and they truly did start from scratch.

But they were proactive much quicker.

Trump had warning and chose to pretend all was well in order to make himself look good.

Doing nothing for weeks allowed the Trumpvirus to spread uninhibited and now we have significantly surpassed China/Italy to become #1 in deaths and cases.

[MosheFeingold]

25. They also are lying

There is zero chance China had less deaths.

No one believes them.

[Blues Heron]

28. Cool story bro

What's your story on
Their true numbers and your evidence. you guys never have any numbers of your own. Ever.

[MosheFeingold]

39. Sure thing, Brother Xiping

How is the final solution going with the Uyghurs?

Any left?

[Blues Heron]

40. any estimates of the "true" numbers in China?

how many sick people are they hiding any guesses?

[MosheFeingold]

41. Hard to figure

Just like the Uyghurs your comrades murdered.

Totalitarian states are opaque like that.

[Blues Heron]

42. like I said - cool story bro

[customerserviceguy]

29. China also has

a totalitarian government that was welding apartment doors shut with people inside the buildings. And we've all seen the video of that family dragged from their home and shoved into a box on the back of a truck.

[brewens]

30. Their numbers might be correct, but we might not like some of what they did to get there. No

doubt they did not want to lose any more people than necessary, like most of us. There is no reason to think they just let it wash over the country as Trump and some of his collaborators would like to do here.

[customerserviceguy]

32. I'm sure that the

"they did what they had to" has been used by abusive governments all over the world, throughout history.

Going draconian on people works, but something precious is sacrificed in the process. Our Bill of Rights was created to recognize that truth.

[brewens]

33. It seems like if anyone would just let it wash over their country to avoid disrupting the

economy, it would be China. Their not thinking that was a good plan should tell Trump and his gang something.

I don't know much about the Iranians, but have seen reports that it was bad. I suppose they threw lots of Allah at it. I don't think that worked out well.

[customerserviceguy]

34. I actually read

of Shiites in Iran actually licking their holy sites in open defiance of the virus. Science always wins in the long run.

[former9thward]

6. The U.S. is not #1

In fact it is far down the list. All the European countries, except Germany, have higher deaths per capita and also higher fatality rates from those who are infected with Covid. Would you rather be a random person in the U.S. or a random person in Europe? If you choose Europe, which the WHO says is the epicenter of Covid, you have a death wish.

U.S. Covid deaths per million 61
Italy 322
Spain 350
Belgium 293
Netherlands 153

Covid fatality rate
U.S. 3.85%
Italy 12.79
Spain 10.10
France 10.67
Belgium 11.94
Netherlands 10.83

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

[EllieBC]

7. Shhhh

You'rwe ruining the party. No one likes statistical analysis. They kist like big numbers.

[SunSeeker]

11. People like the truth here on DU. And saying we are "far down the list" is just not true.

A lie is not "statistical analysis."

formet9thward's link shows the US is near the top end of the countries with the highest death rates, not the bottom half, not even close. Sure, there are some European countries with higher death rates than us, but when you look at the list of countries in the world at the link, we are NOT "far down on the list." Canada's death rate is less than a third of ours. Many European countries have lower death rates than us, like Denmark, Finland and Czechia (Czech Republic). 

And that's with us doing a really shitty job of counting our Covid-19 dead who die in nursing homes or at home, who are often simply recorded as cardiac arrests, since they were never tested and we don't test dead bodies. For example, ten times as many New Yorkers are dying in their homes than normal and they aren't being tested because WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TESTS, THANKS TO TRUMP. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213260406

[EllieBC]

13. The truth is every damn government pretended it wasn't a big deal.

Even perfect little Canada up here as late as March was saying the risk was low. We are barely even testing up here in BC.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-government-documents-1.5528726

How did so many governments mess up so badly and not shut down the travel? How did they not gather tests and resources?

That said, I don’t think gross numbers means much unless you look at them per 1 million population.

[SunSeeker]

15. BULL FUCKING SHIT. South Korea didn't pretend it wasn't a big deal.

Neither did Taiwan, or Singapore, or Germany. Germany developed a Covid-19 test in mid-January, adopted by the WHO. Germany and South Korea immediately started mass producing that test and were able to do targeted quarantines. That is why they have MUCH lower death rates than us.

Trump set a horrible example for the rest of the world. Sadly, many countries assumed America must know something they don't, after all we are a rich country with lots of experts. But what many of these countries, and many Americans, fail to understand is that we are led by a malignant narcissist and pathological liar who has no functioning checks on his corruption and incompetence.

Did you fucking look at the link former9thward cited?

[Skittles]

17. THANK YOU

it is tiresome hearing so what if Trump dropped the ball, others did too......but some did not, and AMERICA is supposed to be a LEADER....it's complete BULL FUCKING SHIT what is happening in America - it did NOT have to be this way

[SunSeeker]

18. Trump didn't just fuck America, he fucked the whole world.

Steve Schmidt summarized it succinctly in 70 seconds:

Link to tweet

[Skittles]

19. "theater of the absurd"

it is indeed - Trump needs to be impeached for dereliction of duty, this is crazy

[EllieBC]

22. According to the DUer in Germany

they aren't testing as much as people think.

You can yell all you want. I am not going to back down from saying the gross numbers are not the same as deaths per million.

Yeah I looked at the link. It's right there in black and white. Italy and Spain aere more number 1 for deaths per million.

But keep yelling. It's good for your lungs.

[Blues Heron]

31. here's how it works - you stack up the coffins

and whoever has the highest stack loses. That would be us. The end.

[rictofen]

8. Thanks. A huge pet peeve of mine...

Is how some effortlessly switch between per capita and gross numbers in order to grind some political axe.

Want to make us look bad regarding COVID-19 testing? Use per capita.
Want to make us look bad regarding COVID-19 cases and deaths? Use gross.
US wins an Olympic medal count? Back to per capita.

[SunSeeker]

12. Lies are a pet peeve of mine.

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Saying we are "far down the list" is just not true.

former9thward's link shows the US is near the top end of the countries with the highest death rates, not the bottom half, not even close. Sure, there are some European countries with higher death rates than us, but when you look at the list of countries in the world at the link, we are NOT "far down on the list." Canada's death rate is less than a third of ours. And many European countries have lower death rates than us, like Denmark, Finland and Czechia (Czech Republic). 

And that's with us doing a really shitty job of counting our Covid-19 dead who die in nursing homes or at home, who are often simply recorded as cardiac arrests, since they were never tested and we don't test dead bodies. For example, ten times as many New Yorkers are dying in their homes than normal and they aren't being tested because WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TESTS, THANKS TO TRUMP. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213260406

[RobinA]

14. Thank You!

I get so sick of this using of raw numbers. It’s positively Trumpian. Especially since using the rate paints such a very different picture than the actual numbers. Compared to most of Europe we’ve done a damn good job, despite the total lack of a game plan.

[SunSeeker]

16. Not telling the truth is Trumpian.

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Saying we are "far down the list" is a just not true. There is nothing about Trump's response to Covid-19 that has been "good."

formet9thward's link shows the US is near the top end of the countries with the highest death rates, not the bottom half, not even close. Sure, there are some European countries with higher death rates than us, but when you look at the list of countries in the world at your link, we are NOT "far down on the list." Canada's death rate is less than a third of ours. And you fail to mention many European countries who have lower death rates than us, like Denmark, Finland and Czechia (Czech Republic). 

And that's with us doing a really shitty job of counting our Covid-19 dead who die in nursing homes or at home, who are often simply recorded as cardiac arrests, since they were never tested and we don't test dead bodies. For example, ten times as many New Yorkers are dying in their homes than normal and they aren't being tested because WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TESTS, THANKS TO TRUMP. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213260406

[Steelrolled]

20. I agree 100% - I think posting raw numbers

is due to one or more of :

- more clicks
- try to make a point,
- ignorance
- laziness

I just move on.

[SunSeeker]

21. "Move on" from 20k lives needlessly lost?

Last edited Sat Apr 11, 2020, 07:43 PM - Edit history (4)

Laziness is believing people without checking their link.

Saying we are "far down the list" is just not true.

Foormer9thward's link shows the US is near the top end of the countries with the highest death rates, not the bottom half, not even close. Sure, there are some European countries with higher death rates than us, but when you look at the list of countries in the world at the link, we are NOT "far down on the list." Canada's death rate is less than a third of ours. Many European countries who have lower death rates than us, like Denmark, Finland and Czechia (Czech Republic). 

And that's with us doing a really shitty job of counting our Covid-19 dead who die in nursing homes or at home, who are often simply recorded as cardiac arrests, since they were never tested and we don't test dead bodies. For example, ten times as many New Yorkers are dying in their homes than normal and they aren't being tested because WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TESTS, THANKS TO TRUMP. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213260406

[Steelrolled]

24. I look at that statistics site multiple times a day

and I always sort on the per-capital columns and find where we are. I find it gives a good perspective.

[pat_k]

38. 9th among countries reporting more than 500 deaths.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142468291#post35
(Read the post -- I am not minimizing how horrific the numbers are. However, I refuse to report numbers out of context. That is what propagandists do.)

[pat_k]

36. Yes. Incredibly annoying.

We should not report numbers out of context -- that's what propagandists do.

The reality is bad enough. Although the number of deaths is almost certainly underreported, those numbers are all we have. And based on those numbers, among countries that report more than 500 deaths, the US has the 9th most deadly outbreak.

Data from worldmeter below
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142468291#post35

[madville]

23. Yep, total deaths or infections alone don't mean much as far as gauging the infection rate

Per capita is the statistic that really matters.

Not many really believe or trust China's numbers either.

[pat_k]

37. 9th among countries reporting more than 500 cases.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142468291#post35

[SunSeeker]

9. That's old data already. It's over 20,000 US dead now.

https://ncov2019.live/

LET'S RECAP THE TIMELINE: 
Dec 18 - House Impeaches Trump 
Dec 31 - China alerted WHO to several cases of unusual pneumonia in Wuhan, a port city of 11 million people in the central Hubei province. The virus was unknown. 
Jan 8 - First CDC warning on Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) 
Jan 9 - Trump campaign rally 
Jan 14 - Trump campaign rally 
Jan 16 - House sends impeachment articles to Senate 
Jan 18 - Trump golfs 
Jan 19 - Trump golfs 
Jan 20 - first case of COVID-19 in the US, Washington State. 
Jan 22 - “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.” 
Jan 28 - Trump campaign rally 
Jan 30 - Trump campaign rally 
Feb 1 - Trump golfs 
Feb 2 - “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China." 
Feb 5 - Senate votes to acquit. Then takes a five-day weekend. 
Feb 10 - Trump campaign rally 
Feb 12 - Dow Jones closes at an all time high of 29,551.42 
Feb 15 - Trump golfs 
Feb 19 - Trump campaign rally 
Feb 20 - Trump campaign rally 
Feb 21 - Trump campaign rally 
Feb 24 - “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” 
Feb 25 - “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.” 
Feb 25 - “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.” 
Feb 26 - “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” 
Feb 26 - “We're going very substantially down, not up.” Also "This is a flu. This is like a flu"; "Now, you treat this like a flu"; "It's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we'll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner." 
Feb 27 - “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” 
Feb 28 - “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.” 
Feb 28 - Trump campaign rally 
Feb 29 - First COVID-19 death in US 
Mar 2 - “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?” 
Mar 2 - “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.” 
Mar 4 - “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.” 
Mar 5 - “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.” 
Mar 5 - “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!” 
Mar 6 - “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.” 
Mar 6 - “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.” 
Mar 6 - “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.” 
Mar 6 - “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.” 
Mar 7 - Trump golfs 
Mar 8 - Trump golfs 
Mar 8 - “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.” 
Mar 9 - “This blindsided the world.” 
Mar 13 - [Declared state of emergency] 
Mar 14 - Young Asian-American family of 4 stabbed in TX Sam's Club by man who thinks they're responsible for COVID. 
Mar 15 - 3,613 COVID-19 cases, 69 deaths 
Mar 17 - “This is a pandemic,” Mr. Trump told reporters. “I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.” 
Mar 18 - "It’s not racist at all. No. Not at all. It comes from China. That’s why. It comes from China. I want to be accurate." 
Mar 23 - Dow Jones closes at 18,591.93 
Mar 25 - 3.3 million Americans file for unemployment. 
Mar 30 - Dow Jones closes at 21,917.16 
Apr 2 - 6.6 million Americans file for unemployment. 
Apr 3 - 270,062 COVID-19 cases, 6,927 deaths. 
Tests still not available for most people. 
Apr 6 - 347,003 COVID-19 cases, 10,335 deaths 
Apr 11 - 524,242 COVID-19 cases, 20,223 deaths

[MosheFeingold]

26. When was the flight shut down

I remember it happening because of the uproar against it. But I can’t find the date anywhere.

[onecaliberal]

27. Yay, USA!! Oh wait...

[pat_k]

35. Failure to report per capital make these type of reports incredibly annoying.

Raw numbers are absolutely meaningless. Population must be take into account.

The lost days and colossal failures to respond in the US are inexcusable and will ultimately cost thousands of deaths that would have been preventable. I am not minimizing the horrific consequences.

The actual number of deaths here is also far greater than reported because the virus was circulating and killing people who were never tested and therefore weren't counted. But without analysis and more data, we don't know how much greater the actual number is relative to reported.

All we have to go on is the number of deaths reported. How comparatively "deadly" the outbreak is based on those numbers MUST be measured in the number of per million reported on the worldmeter site.

And by that measure, the US ranks 9th among the countries that report more than 500 deaths.

Let's STOP reporting numbers out of context. That is what propagandists do.

| Country | Total Deaths | Deaths/1M pop
1 | Spain | 17,113 | 366
2 | Italy | 19,899 | 329
3 | Belgium | 3,600 | 311
4 | France | 14,393 | 221
5 | Netherlands | 2,737 | 160
6 | UK | 10,612 | 156
7 | Switzerland | 1,106 | 128
8 | Sweden | 899 | 89
9 | USA | 21,991 | 66
10 | Iran | 4,474 | 53
11 | Portugal | 504 | 49
12 | Germany | 3,011 | 36
13 | Canada | 713 | 19
14 | Turkey | 1,198 | 14
15 | Brazil | 1,223 | 6
16 | China | 3,339 | 2