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demmiblue

(36,824 posts)
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 10:00 AM Apr 2020

Stacey Abrams: "I would be an excellent running mate"

Source: Axios

Stacey Abrams told Elle she would be "honored" to be Joe Biden's vice presidential pick, arguing that she has "the capacity to attract voters by motivating typically ignored communities."

Flashback: Biden advisers pondered packaging his campaign announcement last year with a pledge to choose Abrams as his running mate, as Axios' Mike Allen reported, and the former vice president has since committed to choosing a woman for the slot.

What she said:

"I would be an excellent running mate. I have the capacity to attract voters by motivating typically ignored communities. I have a strong history of executive and management experience in the private, public, and nonprofit sectors. I've spent 25 years in independent study of foreign policy. I am ready to help advance an agenda of restoring America’s place in the world. If I am selected, I am prepared and excited to serve."

Read more: https://www.axios.com/stacey-abrams-vice-president-joe-biden-547d3abe-1287-4628-bc9c-6e2048b6da7e.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

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Stacey Abrams: "I would be an excellent running mate" (Original Post) demmiblue Apr 2020 OP
As a Georgian, I love my Stacey and voted for her but no.... Harris. CurtEastPoint Apr 2020 #1
Further thoughts? Auggie Apr 2020 #8
Progressive, of course. Engaging. Smart. Just still too inexperienced, IMHO. CurtEastPoint Apr 2020 #24
Thank you Auggie Apr 2020 #33
I don't know if ecperience is an issue. reggaehead Apr 2020 #56
Not a Georgian, but agree with the rest. nt PunkinPi Apr 2020 #9
Agreed. As much as I like Stacey, she needs a longer resume. tinrobot Apr 2020 #22
Being Minority Leader in the Georgia House of Representatives from 2011 to 2017 isn't sop Apr 2020 #30
Yes. CurtEastPoint Apr 2020 #38
Or governor. Or she can run a cabinet-level agency. tinrobot Apr 2020 #40
Oh my WhiteTara Apr 2020 #2
"Didn't rip that asshat a new one" -- LOL klook Apr 2020 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #3
Experience bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #4
We need senators too. We need representatives too. We need city councilmembers too. We need.... mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #5
😳 SheltieLover Apr 2020 #6
I don't know. Biden gave the impression that he was consideri ng her as a running mate before KPN Apr 2020 #25
Yes she would. We have a lot of good choices. This is not going to be easy still_one Apr 2020 #7
I Still Believe It's Between Harris & Abrams sfstaxprep Apr 2020 #10
She would be a person that would look to represent the real American people in any office rather cstanleytech Apr 2020 #11
We definitely need a fighter. JudyM Apr 2020 #21
Exactly ..,., and has the talent and smarts to do so effectively. KPN Apr 2020 #27
This! mountain grammy Apr 2020 #31
You don't want to publicly ask for it IronLionZion Apr 2020 #12
She'd make a fantastic DNC chair. nt PunkinPi Apr 2020 #14
Agreed IronLionZion Apr 2020 #16
Right squirecam Apr 2020 #37
Does our party not groom people anymore? I love Abrams. I love Beto. OrlandoDem2 Apr 2020 #13
I agree. Greg K Apr 2020 #18
She was encouraged to run for the US Senate Jose Garcia Apr 2020 #26
And she declined because she was more interested in getting Fair Fight Action, KPN Apr 2020 #32
Yes, and she explained her strength (and interest) was moonscape Apr 2020 #47
Post removed Post removed Apr 2020 #15
I think Stacey Abrams is the best choice.. mountain grammy Apr 2020 #17
Me too. KPN Apr 2020 #34
totally agree Normanart Apr 2020 #54
IE "I'm definitely not going to be his running mate" FunkyLeprechaun Apr 2020 #19
I prefer Klobuchar. Tough, experienced, informed, articulate, energetic Raven123 Apr 2020 #20
Kamala or Amy. LuvLoogie Apr 2020 #23
We need someone with a much more impressive resume Jose Garcia Apr 2020 #28
Her resume is not very different from Bareack Obama's when he ran for President. KPN Apr 2020 #36
2 years in the Senate is still muchmore impressive than no years in the Senate Jose Garcia Apr 2020 #50
Elizabeth Warren is the one that should be his running mate. BComplex Apr 2020 #29
No thank you left-of-center2012 Apr 2020 #35
This story is reporting what she said a year ago when the Biden team actually had been talking KPN Apr 2020 #39
There are a couple of Cabinet positions I would like to see her 2naSalit Apr 2020 #41
personally.... quickesst Apr 2020 #42
She doesn't make me feel confident. hamsterjill Apr 2020 #43
Here is the original Elle article (it is written by Melissa Harris-Perry): demmiblue Apr 2020 #44
Thank you. klook Apr 2020 #49
I like Stacey, but disagree for now RT Atlanta Apr 2020 #45
Wish I could Rec a hundred times. She would help him win. mahina Apr 2020 #48
Harris, Klobuchar, Whitmer. nsd Apr 2020 #51
She dissed Biden when he first mentioned her, so NO. Joinfortmill Apr 2020 #52
I would love to see her appointed as chair of a Presidential commission on voting rights. RhodeIslandOne Apr 2020 #53
"I've spent 25 years in independent study of foreign policy." nsd Apr 2020 #55

tinrobot

(10,887 posts)
22. Agreed. As much as I like Stacey, she needs a longer resume.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 10:56 AM
Apr 2020

Harris has much more experience on the national stage.

sop

(10,106 posts)
30. Being Minority Leader in the Georgia House of Representatives from 2011 to 2017 isn't
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:24 AM
Apr 2020

the sort of experience that qualifies one to be VP. Stacey is an impressive politician, but like Pete Buttigieg and Beto O'Rourke, but she should run for the Senate first.

tinrobot

(10,887 posts)
40. Or governor. Or she can run a cabinet-level agency.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:50 AM
Apr 2020

Plenty of ways to get qualified (in my mind, at least.)

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
2. Oh my
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 10:02 AM
Apr 2020

that sounds so desperate. I have no idea who she really is except she lost her race and she didn't rip that asshat a new one.

klook

(12,152 posts)
46. "Didn't rip that asshat a new one" -- LOL
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 12:47 PM
Apr 2020

From Melissa Harris-Perry's article in Elle, the source of this piece:

“I’m supposed to say nice things and accept my fate,” Abrams writes in the preface to her New York Times best-seller, Lead From the Outside. “I refused to be gaslighted into throwing away my power, diminishing my voice.”

Quoted in Newsweek, Nov. 17, 2018:
"I will not concede because the erosion of our democracy is not right," Abrams said in a speech in Atlanta on Friday night. "I acknowledge that former Secretary of State Brian Kemp will be certified as the victor in the 2018 gubernatorial election. But to watch an elected official who claims to represent the people in this state baldly pin his hopes for election on suppression of the people's democratic right to vote has been truly appalling."

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

bucolic_frolic

(43,062 posts)
4. Experience
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 10:05 AM
Apr 2020

Because of Joe Biden's age, national affairs and executive experience required for voters to go with the ticket. That's why Governor Whitmer is advancing.

Plus she is one of the few choices who can actually deliver a battleground state. California, Massachusetts are not in that category. There is no incremental home state for VP candidates from those states to deliver.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
6. 😳
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 10:07 AM
Apr 2020

Presumptious, imo. 😱

As many have said, Stacey is wonderful, but does not have the experience to step into Joe's shoes, should the need arise.

KPN

(15,637 posts)
25. I don't know. Biden gave the impression that he was consideri ng her as a running mate before
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:08 AM
Apr 2020

he even announced his candidacy. The he went to Georgia to meet with her just prior to announcing. Who knows? Maybe Biden's campaign suggest she start stumping publicly for the position.

Personally, I think she would be a great choice. She would bring Georgia along, she is both a woman and woman of color, young voters seem to like her, she's smart as a whip, a great speaker, probably actually won the Georgia election (it was unquestionably stolen from her by voter suppression if not outright vote count rigging), has far more legitimate experience than is being given credit for, and has shown that she cab get big things done. I don't think there are many better choices myself.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
7. Yes she would. We have a lot of good choices. This is not going to be easy
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 10:09 AM
Apr 2020

because there are so many excellent possibilities



sfstaxprep

(9,998 posts)
10. I Still Believe It's Between Harris & Abrams
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 10:21 AM
Apr 2020

My ex-gf really is hoping for Abrams. I think it's a toss up as to who he'll choose. My choice would be Harris, but either is fine.

cstanleytech

(26,243 posts)
11. She would be a person that would look to represent the real American people in any office rather
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 10:22 AM
Apr 2020

than the Republicans in the House and Senate who's apparent goal is to gain power at any cost even if it means being more interested in representing the interest of the corporations and countries who's goal is to weaken the United States rather than faking that they are interested in representing the American people.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
31. This!
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:25 AM
Apr 2020

She is one of us.. the 99%

Stacey will appeal to the better instincts in people like Trump appeals to the worst.. We know the majority chose Hillary, now let's go after all those who wrongly thought it didn't make a difference and didn't vote.. I honestly believe Stacey can connect and convince those people.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
12. You don't want to publicly ask for it
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 10:23 AM
Apr 2020

not a good look to be making your own case in the media like this. So I suspect she won't be the running mate. But she should still have a role in registering voters and fighting voter suppression.

OrlandoDem2

(2,065 posts)
13. Does our party not groom people anymore? I love Abrams. I love Beto.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 10:23 AM
Apr 2020

But so many people think you jump from state senate or Congress right into the presidency or VP. And that’s after losing a race for statewide office (Senate for Beto and governor for Abrams).

Why not get Abrams to run again for governor? Why not groom her by offering a Cabinet post? Why not run for Congress?

Stacy has a promising future. It’s very bright indeed, but we need to build a freakin bench!

KPN

(15,637 posts)
32. And she declined because she was more interested in getting Fair Fight Action,
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:27 AM
Apr 2020

the voting rights nonprofit organization she founded and currently chairs up and running instead. A damned good reason in my view. The organization has sued the State of Georgia in federal court for voter suppression -- the lawsuit is on-goiing; and is building voter protection teams in 20 States to help ensure fair elections in 2020.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
47. Yes, and she explained her strength (and interest) was
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 01:13 PM
Apr 2020

in managerial positions. I can see why she didn't think the Senate would be a good fit for her.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
17. I think Stacey Abrams is the best choice..
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 10:43 AM
Apr 2020

The best! I believe many on DU vastly underestimate her connection with people.

Watch her. Listen to her.

Normanart

(279 posts)
54. totally agree
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 04:11 PM
Apr 2020

she has all the appealing attributes with very few negatives. a few polls to see how she compares to Harris should answer the question.

 

FunkyLeprechaun

(2,383 posts)
19. IE "I'm definitely not going to be his running mate"
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 10:45 AM
Apr 2020

I feel like she’s made her chances less likely.

I think we should be looking at people kind of keeping mum on this. Before Obama chose Biden, Biden denied he was going to be O’s VP pick. My mum said she kind of knew Biden would be VP because of his body language in his denial.

I haven’t heard much about Harris but Klobuchar has declined to comment on her chances of being VP pick. I feel like it might be Klobuchar (Biden definitely needs a profile in the Midwest and Klobuchar has really heavily campaigned and made her presence known in places like Iowa) but I’m ok with Harris.

LuvLoogie

(6,935 posts)
23. Kamala or Amy.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:02 AM
Apr 2020

I've never thought that never winning a statewide office race was a good qualifier for president. Pete was probably the one I would have felt most comfortable with, over Beto or Julian.

KPN

(15,637 posts)
36. Her resume is not very different from Bareack Obama's when he ran for President.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:31 AM
Apr 2020

Granted Obama haad 4 years of one term as Senator under his belt, but effectively only had 2 years when he threw his hat in the ring.

BComplex

(8,019 posts)
29. Elizabeth Warren is the one that should be his running mate.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:21 AM
Apr 2020

She is well known and highly respected nation-wide.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
35. No thank you
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:31 AM
Apr 2020

I want someone more qualified than a former state legislator to be a heart beat from the presidency.

KPN

(15,637 posts)
39. This story is reporting what she said a year ago when the Biden team actually had been talking
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:46 AM
Apr 2020

about Biden naming her up front at the start of his campaign. At l;east that's the way it reads to me.

I do think Stacy Abrams would be a great choice.

Ooops -- take that first part back. I clicked on the Elle link and it was a recent article/interview. My bad.

2naSalit

(86,333 posts)
41. There are a couple of Cabinet positions I would like to see her
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:53 AM
Apr 2020

in, one of them that is. However, I would much prefer either Susan Rice or Kamala Harris as VP.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
42. personally....
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:54 AM
Apr 2020

...... I would never choose someone who is beating their own drum, and actively campaigning for the position. Stacey Abrams just shot herself in the foot. Also, not enough experience.

Kamala Harris comes from a solid blue state, could barely reach 5% support from the black community during her entire primary campaign, and tried unsuccessfully to throw Joe Biden under the bus several times, all of which backfired on her. If it were me, I would feel much better knowing that the person at my side would be someone I could rely on and trust.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
43. She doesn't make me feel confident.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 12:02 PM
Apr 2020

I love her enthusiasm and I think she has a bright future, but I don’t think she’s the right choice for VP this time around.

I like the idea of Susan Rice, and I also think Valerie Jarrett could be a consideration.

Ultimately, I am voting for Joe and whoever he picks!

demmiblue

(36,824 posts)
44. Here is the original Elle article (it is written by Melissa Harris-Perry):
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 12:09 PM
Apr 2020
Stacey Abrams on Voting Rights, COVID-19, and Being Vice President



Experienced politicians know there is a right way to answer questions about pursuing higher office. Be demure. Redirect. Convey vague interest while insisting never to have given it serious consideration. But Stacey Abrams does not give the expected answer when I ask if she would accept an offer from former vice president Joe Biden to serve as his 2020 running mate. “Yes. I would be honored,” Abrams says. “I would be an excellent running mate. I have the capacity to attract voters by motivating typically ignored communities. I have a strong history of executive and management experience in the private, public, and nonprofit sectors. I’ve spent 25 years in independent study of foreign policy. I am ready to help advance an agenda of restoring America’s place in the world. If I am selected, I am prepared and excited to serve.”

Abrams’s direct response betrays ambition, makes verifiable claims, and establishes outcomes to which she could later be held accountable. By normal political rules, it is the wrong answer. But as Abrams and I talk in March in the midst of the COVID-19 crisis, it is clear that normal political rules no longer apply. I’m asking her about an unknown political future even as the future itself is frighteningly unknowable: schools closing, businesses shuttering, and Americans sheltering against a raging virus we can barely fathom. Amid this chaotic unpredictability, Abrams’s candor is disarming and comforting.

Into the Unknown

In the March 15 televised debate, Biden committed to choosing a woman as his running mate. Less than a week later, the progressive strategy network Way to Win released survey data indicating Stacey Abrams was Biden’s strongest potential lieutenant. A graduate of Spelman College, the LBJ School of Public Affairs at UT Austin, and Yale Law School, Abrams made history as the first woman to lead a political party in Georgia’s General Assembly and the first African American to lead the Georgia House of Representatives. In 2018, she pursued history again, mounting an ultimately unsuccessful campaign to become America’s first black woman governor. Her defeat came amid election irregularities and allegations of voter suppression. Abrams refused to concede the close race to her Republican opponent, Brian Kemp. “I’m supposed to say nice things and accept my fate,” Abrams writes in the preface to her New York Times best-seller, Lead From the Outside. “I refused to be gaslighted into throwing away my power, diminishing my voice.”

The loss was not her end. The political star that is Stacey Abrams has continued to rise. On the heels of her defeat, she founded Fair Fight, a national organizing effort to ensure fair elections. This was followed by Fair Count, which works to achieve a fully accurate and representative census. Then, late last year, Abrams launched the Southern Economic Advancement Project to promote equitable economic and social policy for all races, classes, and genders across the region. She did all this while crisscrossing the country, giving lectures, supporting local Democratic candidates, and even becoming the first black woman to deliver the official Democratic response to President Trump’s State of the Union in 2019.

https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a32132819/stacey-abrams-on-voting-rights-covid-19-and-being-vice-president/

klook

(12,152 posts)
49. Thank you.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:05 PM
Apr 2020

Focusing on the "money quote" taken out of context completely misses the point. Harris-Perry says, "I ask if she would accept an offer from former vice president Joe Biden to serve as his 2020 running mate."

What honest Democrat with the charisma and public profile of Stacey Abrams would reject the post if offered?

I personally don't care if she hasn't served as a U.S. senator or Georgia governor, although I understand that many would prefer someone with different experience.

What I do know is that Abrams would inspire a lot of voters who are anti-Trump but not necessarily on fire about Biden. I haven't seen her in person, but friends who have say she is electrifying. She has the ability to hold an audience spellbound, she is super-smart, and her personal story is one a lot of regular people can relate to.

And, oh yes, as this excerpt you've quoted illustrates, she does have impressive qualifications. She makes Mike Pence (or even what's-her-name from South Carolina) look like slugs by comparison, in my opinion.

I certainly don't think Stacey Abrams is the only choice, but she wouldn't be a bad one. And, as genius pollster Prof. Rachel Bitecofer tweeted on April 10th:

Imperative for Biden to boost turnout of D coalition (Indies & Ds), esp if voting in Nov will be impacted by COVID19.
@staceyabrams fills in the most imp gap Biden's candidacy has: enthusiasm/charisma.

All the D losses ('00, '04, '16) are tickets that lacked charisma.

Her words, not mine! But she has a point.

RT Atlanta

(2,517 posts)
45. I like Stacey, but disagree for now
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 12:26 PM
Apr 2020

(with the caveat I voted for her as governor).

Stacey is a good legislator, and having someone with that knowledge will be helpful, but in my view the country needs immediately experienced persons that can work through the ins/outs of the Federal system from day 1 (no time for on the job learning).

IIRC Joe reached out to her months back and early on as a potential candidate - Joe had not worked his way to the front and Stacey kept her powder dry.

nsd

(2,406 posts)
51. Harris, Klobuchar, Whitmer.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:25 PM
Apr 2020

I bet that's Biden's top three. He needs a senator or a governor.

The pitch, even before the coronavirus, was that Biden would represent a return to safe and responsible governance. Now is not the time for a fresh face or to roll the dice. Abrams should run for governor again in 2022.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
53. I would love to see her appointed as chair of a Presidential commission on voting rights.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:53 PM
Apr 2020

Which should be formed on day one.

nsd

(2,406 posts)
55. "I've spent 25 years in independent study of foreign policy."
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:17 AM
Apr 2020

That line made me laugh. That is some grade-A resume-polishing BS, right there.

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