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demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:44 AM Apr 2020

Russia Says It Will Accept Trump's Offer Of Ventilators To Treat Coronavirus

Source: TPM/AP

MOSCOW — The Kremlin says Russia will gratefully accept U.S. President Donald Trump’s offer to provide ventilators for coronavirus patients.

Trump said Wednesday the U.S. was ready to send ventilators to Russia, saying “they’re having a hard time in Moscow. We’re going to help them.” He added the U.S. also stands ready to provide ventilators to other countries, including Italy, Spain and France.

President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov hailed Trump’s offer as “very positive,” saying in Thursday’s call with reporters that “Russia will certainly accept the kind offer if necessary.”

Russia has registered 27,938 coronavirus cases and 232 deaths. Officials have scrambled to secure ventilators and other essential supplies amid an exponential growth in infections.

Read more: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/russia-trump-ventilators-coronavirus




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Russia Says It Will Accept Trump's Offer Of Ventilators To Treat Coronavirus (Original Post) demmiblue Apr 2020 OP
What? Huh? Aren't we short on ventilators here in the U.S.? Laelth Apr 2020 #1
Another poke in the eye to already short changed Dem states. mpcamb Apr 2020 #76
I thought we didn't have enough for Americans? left-of-center2012 Apr 2020 #2
Um, I thought we didn't have enough ventilators to meet the need in our own country. Skinner Apr 2020 #3
I sure would like a news report as well on this... FarPoint Apr 2020 #27
Here you go. pazzyanne Apr 2020 #46
Thank you.. FarPoint Apr 2020 #47
Burns me up as well! nt pazzyanne Apr 2020 #70
I got a free sign-up NY Times Marthe48 Apr 2020 #48
The shelves were empty--Obama's fault pandr32 Apr 2020 #51
No Surprise Kaiserguy Apr 2020 #53
"Donald, send them to Russia" dalton99a Apr 2020 #4
Putting money into Trump was the best investment Putin ever made keithbvadu2 Apr 2020 #5
Did the Federal government grab our supplies in order to send them to Russia? BusyBeingBest Apr 2020 #6
+1 Baitball Blogger Apr 2020 #22
Remember Nixon cut a deal for wheat with U.S.S.R. and prices here went UP bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #40
I suspect so... FarPoint Apr 2020 #49
Not almost. It is. BarbD Apr 2020 #60
This, bloody THIS. Grokenstein Apr 2020 #66
Trump works for Vlad. End of story. Botany Apr 2020 #7
You can always count on Trump to put country first ... VWolf Apr 2020 #8
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....................you fucking traitor................... turbinetree Apr 2020 #9
"Treason doth never prosper; what's the reason? raccoon Apr 2020 #10
+++ quaint Apr 2020 #19
+1 Baitball Blogger Apr 2020 #23
My God, talk about giving us campaign fodder! Geez, this will be the #1 lead-off in all of our..... machoneman Apr 2020 #11
Trump 'Playing Politics' With Lives As FEMA Grabs Ventilators, Lawmaker Charges keithbvadu2 Apr 2020 #12
Wait. After Russia sent ventilators before April 3? Is this BD's media shit stirring? ancianita Apr 2020 #13
Reasonable explanation. Laelth Apr 2020 #36
Governors "we need ventilators" tRump "fuck you" Canoe52 Apr 2020 #14
WTF dbonds Apr 2020 #15
Well, isn't that precious? ananda Apr 2020 #16
Is this why they've been seizing states' shipments? Bayard Apr 2020 #17
What is it going to take for American citizens to connect the dots. olddad65 Apr 2020 #18
WTF?! We need to seriously investigate, possibly -- actually almost 100% likely -- prosecute, KPN Apr 2020 #20
I am eager to hear what the governors of NY and MASS have to say about this. Maribelle Apr 2020 #26
And there it is. Why Trump was competing with the States for ventilators. Baitball Blogger Apr 2020 #21
Part of "it." Taking ventilators from states after he'd gotten ventilators from Russia sounds ancianita Apr 2020 #28
What a fucking mess. Baitball Blogger Apr 2020 #31
Trump wants to send ventilators to Russia... Sloumeau Apr 2020 #24
fluffed in chief. nt Javaman Apr 2020 #25
If One American dies for lack of a vent, trump is guilty of treason Miigwech Apr 2020 #29
I think Trump is ensuring his November exit strategy -- escape to Russia Auggie Apr 2020 #30
His future monument should be a pockmarked wall Harker Apr 2020 #32
I was thinking something more along the lines... jmowreader Apr 2020 #77
Could be a hit. Harker Apr 2020 #78
Too Russia with Love. Historic NY Apr 2020 #33
This is likely one big media Distraction to keep Americans from seeing that Trump is helping prop ancianita Apr 2020 #34
Possibly. Laelth Apr 2020 #41
Don't get sick in America while the IMPotus and conservatives are in power ffr Apr 2020 #35
The traitor has to repay Daddy Vladdy for stealing the 2016 election for him. n/t fleur-de-lisa Apr 2020 #37
Hey Trump! You ever heard of NEW YORK? bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #38
..This is incredible..unbelievable, ?? Stuart G Apr 2020 #39
so this is why he had FEMA seize equipment from hospitals - sacrifice American lives for Russians onetexan Apr 2020 #42
This explains the Federal Government hijacking PPE. sarcasmo Apr 2020 #43
Is this way Jared said Frances Apr 2020 #44
Last paragraph of linked story in the OP is below. Hmmmmmm. MFGsunny Apr 2020 #45
If the Governors are on their own, why isn't Putin??? marble falls Apr 2020 #50
THIS SunSeeker Apr 2020 #65
Thread win. JudyM Apr 2020 #71
More like: "Tell me you're going to give me ventilators." C Moon Apr 2020 #52
It sounds like "America First" has become "Russia First." LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 2020 #54
WTH seta1950 Apr 2020 #55
It looks like the ultimate source of this information is Russia RVN VET71 Apr 2020 #56
BOOM there is is. kedrys Apr 2020 #57
We now know who Kushner meant by "our"... SledDriver Apr 2020 #58
Which of trumps companies benefits? moonseller66 Apr 2020 #59
232 Deaths? Ridiculous! ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #61
But their "community acquired pneumonia" deaths are suddenly skyrocketing. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #67
Numbers STILL Seem To Low ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #73
Probably. If a nursing home in the US can stash 17 Covid-19 bodies in a shed, imagine in Russia. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #74
I Hadn't Seen That ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #75
This could get ugly citizen blues Apr 2020 #62
Trump blocked export of ventilators, masks, etc. to Caribbean countries. Nothing for them, NCjack Apr 2020 #63
Trump does not get his wives from Caribbean countries, so... SunSeeker Apr 2020 #68
I can't even....no, just no! 🤬🤬🤬N/T Karma13612 Apr 2020 #64
He's getting something out of it. EndlessWire Apr 2020 #69
putin's cock holster. truthisfreedom Apr 2020 #72
WTF? Jamastiene May 2020 #79

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
3. Um, I thought we didn't have enough ventilators to meet the need in our own country.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:48 AM
Apr 2020

But we're sending them to Russia?

Did I miss something?

FarPoint

(12,335 posts)
27. I sure would like a news report as well on this...
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:17 AM
Apr 2020

It does not surprise me...if he did send them to Russia....Yet, to go viral with this issue...I wasn't more verification....

I am searching...I thought it may of been an AP article...can't find it yet...still looking.

FarPoint

(12,335 posts)
47. Thank you..
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:19 PM
Apr 2020

This tTrump smoozing Putin infuriates me... Let's America, New York, Michigan..etc...die.

Marthe48

(16,935 posts)
48. I got a free sign-up NY Times
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:19 PM
Apr 2020

Here is the link. I don't know if you can read it. It is only a few sentences and i know I can't copy it verbatim. But says russia will gratefully accept trump's offer of ventilators. https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/04/16/business/ap-virus-outbreak-the-latest.html

Related article says russia sent 60 tons medical supplies to the US on 4/2/20

In the meantime, a Mississippi dr. fashioned respirators out of garden hose, lamp timer and electronic valve. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/07/coronavirus-ventilators-mississippi-medical-center-charles-robertson/2966719001/

Kaiserguy

(740 posts)
53. No Surprise
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:29 PM
Apr 2020

after Putin has bailed Trump out how many times. The art of the deal. Money from Putin and pay it back with our lives.

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
6. Did the Federal government grab our supplies in order to send them to Russia?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:51 AM
Apr 2020

Is this what I'm seeing? Is this why Jared was pissy about states not having a claim to medical stockpiles?

Grokenstein

(5,722 posts)
66. This, bloody THIS.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 03:09 PM
Apr 2020

Any word from his defender Moscow Mitch the Turtle Man?
Or is he just standing there with that vacuous smile-like grimace on his face?

Botany

(70,489 posts)
7. Trump works for Vlad. End of story.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:52 AM
Apr 2020

How many hearings did "they" have on:

Benghazi?

Hillary & her emails?

Bill Clinton and the b.j.?


raccoon

(31,110 posts)
10. "Treason doth never prosper; what's the reason?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:55 AM
Apr 2020

For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”

—Sir John Harington

machoneman

(4,006 posts)
11. My God, talk about giving us campaign fodder! Geez, this will be the #1 lead-off in all of our.....
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:56 AM
Apr 2020

2020 campaign videos. 'Trump short US hospitals, ships ventilators to Russia."

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
13. Wait. After Russia sent ventilators before April 3? Is this BD's media shit stirring?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:57 AM
Apr 2020

Reuters and the Jerusalem post:

Ventilators delivered by Russia to the United States for coronavirus patients were manufactured by a Russian company that is under US sanctions, Russia's RBC business daily reported on Friday.

A Russian military plane carrying the ventilators along with other medical supplies including personal protective equipment landed in New York on Wednesday after US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke by phone.

Russian state television footage of the plane's unloading showed boxes of "Aventa-M" ventilators, which are produced by the Ural Instrument Engineering Plant (UPZ) in the city of Chelyabinsk, 1,500 km (930 miles) east of Moscow, RBC reported.

UPZ is part of a holding company called Concern Radio-Electronic Technologies (KRET), which itself is a unit of Russian state conglomerate Rostec.

KRET has been under US sanctions since July 2014, with US firms and nationals barred from doing business with it.

The issue was further complicated by the question of whether it was the United States or Russia's sovereign wealth fund RDIF, which was added to US sectoral sanctions in 2015, that paid for the ventilators.

A senior administration official on Friday said sanctions did not apply to medical supplies.


https://www.jpost.com/international/russian-ventilators-sent-to-us-made-by-firm-under-us-sanctions-623526

So we must be watching a shell game played by currency cash flow shape shifters in their new COVID-19 rackets. He could be watching how well our media can keep up with it.

Canoe52

(2,948 posts)
14. Governors "we need ventilators" tRump "fuck you"
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:58 AM
Apr 2020

Putin “we need ventilators” tRump “they’re on the way”

ananda

(28,858 posts)
16. Well, isn't that precious?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:01 AM
Apr 2020

I can't even process this enough to comment further. It's down in my stomach, in a bad way.

Bayard

(22,057 posts)
17. Is this why they've been seizing states' shipments?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:01 AM
Apr 2020

Does he need Congressional approval for this action?

Why didn't he send this equipment to our allies that desperately needed it?

olddad65

(599 posts)
18. What is it going to take for American citizens to connect the dots.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:02 AM
Apr 2020

And realize who trump works for. Certainly not the American people, or their best interests.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
20. WTF?! We need to seriously investigate, possibly -- actually almost 100% likely -- prosecute,
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:08 AM
Apr 2020

and lynch this guy in the WH if necessary when all is said and done. He's done everything possible to punish the people of New York and California (because they didn't vote for him and their Governors make him look stupid just by existing) resulting in possibly thousands of Americans' deaths, and he's sending medical equipment we still need in this country to the country that waged and is still waging an internet-based war with us to tamper with and influence the outcome of our elections.

If this isn't treason, I don't know what is. And if it isn't treason, it's premeditated manslaughter if not murder.

Baitball Blogger

(46,699 posts)
21. And there it is. Why Trump was competing with the States for ventilators.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:08 AM
Apr 2020

I so want this guy removed from office.

He let China take the facemasks so the American consumer had to make their own. And now he's taking the ventilators from the States to give to his buddy Putin.

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
28. Part of "it." Taking ventilators from states after he'd gotten ventilators from Russia sounds
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:19 AM
Apr 2020

like some economic shell game weirdness. But that's the factual timeline, according to Reuters.

There hasn't been a clue yet about 'why.' If asked, he could sophomorically claim, since governors were sending ventilators across the country to each other, that these are surplus. But who knows what he'll say. He'll probably say it's none of our damn business what he and other dicktaters do. I don't expect any truth from him about anything he does in the future.

Baitball Blogger

(46,699 posts)
31. What a fucking mess.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:23 AM
Apr 2020

States are trying to support each other, and Trump uses any excuse to say, well, the states don't need us, so we'll pass on the tax paid resources to cement our private ties with other countries.

Well, you're right about one thing, Trump. We DON'T need your leadership.

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
24. Trump wants to send ventilators to Russia...
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:15 AM
Apr 2020

when there are areas in the U.S. that are short ventilators. In addition, he wants to open up the U.S., which will create a greater need for the ventilators. Oh, that's right. Putin owns Trump!

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
77. I was thinking something more along the lines...
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 08:22 PM
Apr 2020

...of a set of custom-made toilets with Trump’s face molded into the porcelain.

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
34. This is likely one big media Distraction to keep Americans from seeing that Trump is helping prop
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:30 AM
Apr 2020

Big Oil out of Russian and Saudi Arabia, to keep Big Oil profits up through withholding oil to keep prices up.

Paul Krugman noted yesterday that Trump is using stimulus money to prop Big Oil at the expense of American workers.

Oh noes! We have to reconfigure world to clean energy! We richies don't want to change!

Look over there! Trump's cheating Americans by sending ventilators to Putin!



ffr

(22,669 posts)
35. Don't get sick in America while the IMPotus and conservatives are in power
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:32 AM
Apr 2020

They are traitors and villains.

We're on our own.

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
45. Last paragraph of linked story in the OP is below. Hmmmmmm.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:09 PM
Apr 2020
Earlier this month, Russia sent a planeload of medical supplies, including ventilators to the United States. Moscow says the U.S. paid for half of the medical supplies, while the other half was sponsored by Russia’s state investment fund.


bold = mine

from ::
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/russia-trump-ventilators-coronavirus

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
52. More like: "Tell me you're going to give me ventilators."
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:28 PM
Apr 2020

"Huh?"
"Just tell me you're going to give me ventilators!"
"Err, I'm going to give you ventilators."
"I accept."

54. It sounds like "America First" has become "Russia First."
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:30 PM
Apr 2020

Actually, Fat Donnie has always had that attitude toward this country.

seta1950

(932 posts)
55. WTH
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:30 PM
Apr 2020

I guess the ventilators he’s stealing from states are going to russia now, who in the world can’t see how bad that is,it’s criminal

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
56. It looks like the ultimate source of this information is Russia
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:39 PM
Apr 2020

I don't necessarily disbelieve it, but I will withhold judgment until an American news outlet reports on it using sources not tainted by Putin's government.

I guess what I'm saying is: this just doesn't make any sense, not even a little. Trump and the Governors have been in agreement about the need for ventilators and the shortage of them in the U.S. -- their disagreement is about the numbers needed, not the shortages. So why would Trump even consider a move that would work so tremendously against him?

I'm going to wait and see. Even Fox would be outraged if they found evidence of this. And CNN would be all over it.

moonseller66

(430 posts)
59. Which of trumps companies benefits?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:56 PM
Apr 2020

Gotta believe some ASSociate of his is going to get paid with American Tax Payer Money to deliver these things in addition to trump making sure that company gets paid for the cost of the ventilators that we already paid for.

That's not grifting...that's criminal.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
61. 232 Deaths? Ridiculous!
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 01:52 PM
Apr 2020

They need our ventilators for 27,000+ cases & a death rate under 0.9%?
I think not.
Russia is not reporting real numbers.
They closed their borders & shut down Moscow & St. Petersburg. And only 0.06% of their people are infected?
And they need our ventilators.
Things are 10 to 20 times worse there, and death rate even worse.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
67. But their "community acquired pneumonia" deaths are suddenly skyrocketing.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 03:16 PM
Apr 2020

From Washington Post:

Russia’s official coronavirus numbers are relatively low. Even Moscow’s mayor is questioning the count.

Moscow saw a 37?percent increase in pneumonia in January compared with a year ago, according to Rosstat, Russia’s statistics agency. The data showed 6,921 pneumonia cases in January, up from 5,058 during the same period in 2019.“

While the whole world is facing an outbreak of a new coronavirus, Russia is facing an outbreak of a community-acquired pneumonia. And as usual, we’re facing the lie of the authorities,” Anastasia Vasilyeva, president of an independent trade union called the Doctors’ Alliance, said in a YouTube video that made headlines last week.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russia-coronavirus-putin/2020/03/24/18917ca8-6d00-11ea-a156-0048b62cdb51_story.html

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
75. I Hadn't Seen That
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 04:51 PM
Apr 2020

Thanks for the link.
They know how to disappear live people in Russia. Good at it, too!
Dead bodies? Pfffffft! Done, boss!

citizen blues

(570 posts)
62. This could get ugly
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 01:53 PM
Apr 2020

I've been wondering where all the medical supplies were going. He's sending out broken ventilators and PPE with dry rot to the states. Then after telling states they were on their own, he's confiscating new supplies they're buying and stealing shipments overseas. He intercepted a shipment to Barbados and is preventing masks from being sent to Cuba. Germany has accused the U.S. of modern day acts of piracy. So he has been fucking with supply chains on a global level.

I've been wondering where the medical supplies are and where they're going. It wouldn't surprise me if they were going to Russia or even some to North Korea. I also agree that this story needs more investigation. If it's verified, the country could very well explode with rage.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
63. Trump blocked export of ventilators, masks, etc. to Caribbean countries. Nothing for them,
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 02:05 PM
Apr 2020

but we can send stuff to Russia. Shameful.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
68. Trump does not get his wives from Caribbean countries, so...
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 03:19 PM
Apr 2020

They're on their own, like the states.

EndlessWire

(6,509 posts)
69. He's getting something out of it.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 04:05 PM
Apr 2020

When you look at his basic narcissistic personality, there is no way he is doing this for nothing. No matter what altruistic thing he says in response to this action, it will only be because he is getting something he finds useful for HIMSELF.

We really shouldn't have any vents available right now. They should all have an American on them. That sounds selfish, but Trump's oath of office should have pushed him into having a factory churning out PPEs and vents 24/7. But, no...

I don't buy for one second that he is offering vents to those other countries, Italy, Spain, and France. That's bullshit. Didn't he just recently stop Cuba from receiving vents? If he offers another country vents, it would be in order to gain something from them.

Any American President could have ordered the building of a factory to turn out vents. We could have paid for it, and done it. Then, we could have offered vents around the world.

But, Trump is weaponizing these scarce commodities that are needed. And, you and I know damn well that the first people who will get vents in Russia will be their leadership, not the common citizen, who we would probably get along with if it were not for Putin.

It's time for Impeachment No. 2, especially since he is now threatening to shut the government down for disagreeing with him. Nancy, suck it up and do it again. There's all kinds of stuff to get him on. Things have changed.

VOTE, VOTE, VOTE. All Blue All The Way.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
79. WTF?
Sun May 10, 2020, 11:18 AM
May 2020

In America, all we have heard is how doctors and nurses are short on PPE and there are not enough ventilators to save people. And he is giving stuff away to fucking Putin?

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