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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,290 posts)
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:42 PM Apr 2020

Kavanaugh cites Roe v. Wade in opinion explaining when to overturn 'erroneous precedents'

Source: Fox News

SUPREME COURT Published 1 hour ago

Kavanaugh cites Roe v. Wade in opinion explaining when to overturn 'erroneous precedents'

Supreme Court Associate Justice Brett Kavanaugh did not author Monday's opinion that overturned a 1972 decision regarding unanimous jury verdicts, but in a concurring opinion he outlined how he believes the court should determine when it is appropriate to throw out "erroneous precedents."

In doing so, he invoked the abortion debate.

Kavanaugh's concurrence opened by pointing out that it is far from rare for the court to overturn a long-standing precedent, listing high-profile cases including the decision in Planned Parenthood v. Casey. That case is known for maintaining the right to an abortion, but Kavanaugh discussed in a footnote that it is also relevant because it overturned elements of Roe v. Wade.

"In Casey, the Court reaffirmed what it described as the 'central holding' of Roe v. Wade," Kavanaugh wrote, but noted that the court also "expressly rejected Roe's trimester framework, and the Court expressly overruled two other important abortion precedents."

Kavanaugh asserted that history shows that the tradition of following judicial precedent - commonly referred to as the doctrine of stare decisis - "is not an 'inexorable command.'" Still, he made clear that "to overrule a constitutional precedent, the Court requires something 'over and above the belief that the precedent was wrongly decided.'"

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Abortion rights proponents may look to Monday’s concurring opinion as evidence that Kavanaugh is ready, willing and able to overturn precedent, but conservatives could also point to words that would seem to indicate otherwise.

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Read more: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kavanaugh-cites-roe-v-wade-in-opinion-explaining-when-to-overturn-erroneous-precedents



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TL;dr

Brett Kavanaugh wrote a mushy balancing test for overruling precedent. Roe v. Wade is featured in the first footnote. Susan Collins furrows brow.





Justice Kavanaugh writes separately to explain his own views of stare decisis. I imagine lots of Court watchers are going to be reading this *very* closely...




https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/18-5924_n6io.pdf
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Kavanaugh cites Roe v. Wade in opinion explaining when to overturn 'erroneous precedents' (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 OP
Sisters, get ready. The likes of which never seen Ninga Apr 2020 #1
Is anyone surprised? (nt) scarletwoman Apr 2020 #2
The gop knows they're gonna get creamed so they're are gonna start to go for the big kahuna Fullduplexxx Apr 2020 #3
Uh-oh... here it comes... calimary Apr 2020 #4
A Faux pas Apr 2020 #5
The asshole is also an accessory to gang rape suegeo Apr 2020 #15
They Faux pas Apr 2020 #16
You put a pox on his house. Who paid for said house? suegeo Apr 2020 #17
We Faux pas Apr 2020 #18
"But I just.....don't....trust......her" RhodeIslandOne Apr 2020 #6
Fuck You, Beer Boy! lastlib Apr 2020 #7
Rolling out some fundraising bait. Baked Potato Apr 2020 #8
Recalling his testimony during confirmation... MissMillie Apr 2020 #9
Most of them do. Igel Apr 2020 #12
The GOP ALWAYS brings abortion into the elections. I'm sure that's the plan here. C Moon Apr 2020 #10
Next week he'll be advocating that the Dred Scott decision was correct. jls4561 Apr 2020 #11
I got a precedent for you... Praek3 Apr 2020 #13
Regardless of Kavanaugh's footnote, DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #14
J. Thomas, in his dissent, cites Obergefell as an incorrect decision. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #19
Kavanaugh lied to Congress - he needs to be impeached Joinfortmill Apr 2020 #20

Ninga

(8,272 posts)
1. Sisters, get ready. The likes of which never seen
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:46 PM
Apr 2020

before.
I am not a door mat. It does not say “welcome”on
my forehead.

Me and my cane will be in the streets for as long as it takes.

suegeo

(2,571 posts)
15. The asshole is also an accessory to gang rape
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 12:08 PM
Apr 2020

As a young thug, he doped up the drinks, woman gets gang raped at party.

I hate republicans.

suegeo

(2,571 posts)
17. You put a pox on his house. Who paid for said house?
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 12:43 PM
Apr 2020

also, seats at football games, country club membership?

The Kav is Bush Crime Family, so G.W. blood money? Some Russian mobster?

FU Chuck Grassley and that god-damn whore wife of Mickey Ledeen.

Faux pas

(14,644 posts)
18. We
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 05:50 PM
Apr 2020

know it wasn't him. I imagine his finances were really effed up before the "fix" was in. Is there any rethug that isn't a self dealing a-hole?

lastlib

(23,152 posts)
7. Fuck You, Beer Boy!
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:54 PM
Apr 2020

Just Fuck You. With a pitchfork. An old rusty, manure-encrusted, coronavirus- and tetanus-infected pitchfork. Sideways.

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MissMillie

(38,529 posts)
9. Recalling his testimony during confirmation...
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 03:07 PM
Apr 2020

...where we said he would rely on precedent, not try to overturn it.....



No, not at all surprised, actually.


I wonder if Susan Collins is "concerned."

Igel

(35,274 posts)
12. Most of them do.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 04:14 PM
Apr 2020

Did you really want them to uphold stare decisis when it came to Obergefell?

No?

If you didn't want precedent ignored, then you obviously hate marriage equality. If you said you did want precedent ignored, then you hate stare decisis and Roe v Wade.

I think that's unreasonable, but it's the level of discourse we're apparently at.

I don't think most people here have actually looked at the "first footnote" (which is far and away not the very first footnote. It's tied to one case in a series of cases where the court--often to overwhelming (D) assent--overruled precedent. Casey is the specific case that the footnote refers to, and the footnote is there just to explain why it is that Casey, where SCOTUS upheld much of Roe v Wade, is in the list of precedents overturned. (Summary: Parts of were overturned, parts weren't.)

The rest is quibble. Having already decided that we're all in favor of overturning precedent--whether we like to admit it or not--it remains to explain where we want precedent overturned and where we don't. But while we can just say, "When my gut says it's the just thing to do, f--k the law and precedent," a SCOTUS judge has to come up with some rationalization that sounds good. Then, if they screw that up, they're stuck walking back their reasoned discourse and saying they were wrong or they're stuck abiding by it in rulings they don't like.

jls4561

(1,253 posts)
11. Next week he'll be advocating that the Dred Scott decision was correct.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 03:42 PM
Apr 2020

And that the 19th amendment is unconstitutional.

Rich white males! Rich white males!

What a scumbag.

Praek3

(149 posts)
13. I got a precedent for you...
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 10:29 PM
Apr 2020

I'll give a flying fuck what dick-waver Brett has to say when he and any other MALE gets pregnant.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
14. Regardless of Kavanaugh's footnote,
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 04:38 AM
Apr 2020

isn't this a good decision to require juries to reach an anonymous verdict?

Civil cases only require a majority decision by the jury, but that concerns monetary damages, not sending someone off the prison or not.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,290 posts)
19. J. Thomas, in his dissent, cites Obergefell as an incorrect decision.
Fri Apr 24, 2020, 06:35 AM
Apr 2020
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/18-5924_n6io.pdf

Scroll down to page 59.

Due process incorporation is a demonstrably erroneous interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment. As I have explained before, “[t]he notion that a constitutional provision that guarantees only ‘process’ before a person is deprived of life, liberty, or property could define the substance of those rights strains credulity for even the most casual user of words.” Id., at 811. The unreasonableness of this interpretation is underscored by the Court’s struggle to find a “guiding principle to distinguish ‘fundamental’ rights that warrant protection from nonfundamental rights that do not,” ibid., as well as its many incorrect decisions based on this theory, see Obergefell v. Hodges, 576 U. S. 644 (2015); Roe v. Wade, 410 U. S. 113 (1973); Dred Scott v. Sandford, 19 How. 393 (1857).
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