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turbinetree

(24,688 posts)
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:27 PM Apr 2020

American oil crashes below $0 a barrel -- a record low

Source: CNN

By Julia Horowitz, CNN Business

Updated 3:21 PM ET, Mon April 20, 2020

London (CNN Business)The spectacular collapse in oil markets is showing no signs of easing, as the coronavirus crisis saps demand and producers run out of places to store all their excess barrels of crude.

What's happening: US oil prices plunged, falling below $0 Monday to $-37.63 a barrel. That's the lowest level since NYMEX opened oil futures trading in 1983.

The selloff can be attributed in part to market mechanics. The May futures contract for West Texas Intermediate, the US benchmark, is about to expire. Most investors are already focusing on the June contract, thinning out trading volume and feeding volatility, UBS analyst Giovanni Staunovo said.

The June futures contract for WTI is trading around $22 per barrel, but that's still sharply lower on the day. Brent crude futures, the global benchmark, fell 8% Monday to $25.81 per barrel.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/20/investing/premarket-stocks-trading/index.html





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American oil crashes below $0 a barrel -- a record low (Original Post) turbinetree Apr 2020 OP
The real price of a barrel of oil is down 66% since this Pandemic started BadGimp Apr 2020 #1
Went to Costco today and the price was $1.51 for reg and $1.75 for premium.......... turbinetree Apr 2020 #2
Gas here in TN SheltieLover Apr 2020 #4
This was in Delaware............... turbinetree Apr 2020 #7
TY for clarifying SheltieLover Apr 2020 #10
But, of course! SheltieLover Apr 2020 #3
It's just you. mathematic Apr 2020 #9
yeah i paid $2.41 about 3-4 weeks ago bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #12
Refiner's are next. The capacity to manage this energy segment is different OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2020 #15
The price you pay for gasoline includes tax. Oregon 0.36 state + 0.184 fed 0.545 PSPS Apr 2020 #21
Remember the Peak Oil Doomers who said that by 2020 Wolf Frankula Apr 2020 #5
They've been saying that since 1980 oldsoftie Apr 2020 #29
Since you haven't noticed, conventional oil extraction has peaked VMA131Marine Apr 2020 #30
Soon they'll be paying me to fill the tank, PLUS give me a new set of dishes... BamaRefugee Apr 2020 #6
Lots of other tchotchkes, too klook Apr 2020 #13
Putin is opening a new chain of stores in the US, TCHOTCHKES 'R US. BamaRefugee Apr 2020 #17
I like your way of thinking. trof Apr 2020 #20
Well It's About Time RobinA Apr 2020 #36
As are my Texaco beer glasses. Throckmorton Apr 2020 #38
I'm not sure what exactly this means on either the macro level or the micro level. scarletwoman Apr 2020 #8
Only if they can be done cheaper. And right now that's doubtful jimfields33 Apr 2020 #14
High priced fossil fuel energy customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #16
Not if big oil has any say in it. not_the_one Apr 2020 #25
It means they are overstocked at the supply level FakeNoose Apr 2020 #26
Setting aside long-term trends in the energy industry, I'm thinking... LudwigPastorius Apr 2020 #31
Yes this is weakening them duforsure Apr 2020 #33
Exxon gonna have to start offering a book of S&H Greenstamps ResistantAmerican17 Apr 2020 #11
I remember the stamps well. My mom was an avid collector and redeemer. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2020 #24
Seeing that the economy, etc is now looking terrible... C Moon Apr 2020 #18
He did that 3 weeks ago. He hasn't left yet because he's basking in the rape afterglow. BamaRefugee Apr 2020 #22
So, are they paying people to take it now? Jamastiene Apr 2020 #19
Do you have a refinery? caraher Apr 2020 #28
$1.55 in coastal Alabama. trof Apr 2020 #23
Drill baby drill! Major Nikon Apr 2020 #27
With little oil being sold refineries will be next to shut down duforsure Apr 2020 #32
oh noes Locrian Apr 2020 #34
Exxon an the international vos MosheFeingold Apr 2020 #35
Trump will do whatever he thinks will protect his a$$... uriel1972 Apr 2020 #37

BadGimp

(4,013 posts)
1. The real price of a barrel of oil is down 66% since this Pandemic started
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:30 PM
Apr 2020

The price of Gas here in Portland, Oregon has dropped maybe 10%...

It is just me or are we being exploited by the oil industry?

mathematic

(1,438 posts)
9. It's just you.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:40 PM
Apr 2020

The price of gasoline from refiners has dropped 70 cents (50%) from pre-pandemic. Average retail gasoline price nationwide has dropped 60 cents to $1.85. The cost of retail gas includes the cost of a bunch of things that aren't gasoline and haven't declined in price, like labor and taxes.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,446 posts)
15. Refiner's are next. The capacity to manage this energy segment is different
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:53 PM
Apr 2020

from the oil extracters. Between collapsing demand for heating oil and gas and their own worker health, I can see some serious capacity reduction in the near future. They will create the floor for the price at the pump.

PSPS

(13,590 posts)
21. The price you pay for gasoline includes tax. Oregon 0.36 state + 0.184 fed 0.545
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 08:01 PM
Apr 2020

Plus "local option" of an additional 0.01 - 0.05

Wolf Frankula

(3,600 posts)
5. Remember the Peak Oil Doomers who said that by 2020
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:37 PM
Apr 2020

if there was any oil left it would be 100, 500, 1000 dollars a barrel? They were wrong. Yes I know this is a special case.

Wolf

VMA131Marine

(4,137 posts)
30. Since you haven't noticed, conventional oil extraction has peaked
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 09:28 PM
Apr 2020

If you subtract out the fracked oil, the tar sands oil and oil the other oil that uses advanced recovery methods you’ll find conventional crude peaked probably a decade ago. These new techniques are fine as far as they go, but they take a lot more energy to extract a barrel of oil than conventional oil wells like in Saudi Arabia. Even the Saudi wells are now running an EROEI (energy return on energy invested) of between 30:1 and 50:1 compared to the 100:1 that they originally had. The EROEI of US crude is now around 10:1 which means we have to put three times as much energy in to get the same energy out as the Saudis.

klook

(12,154 posts)
13. Lots of other tchotchkes, too
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:48 PM
Apr 2020

Maybe they'll bring back some of these 11 Gas Station Premiums of Yesteryear.

I actually had this Hess truck when I was a kid:


The one I really wish I'd scarfed up, though, are the Marathon B.C. comic strip glasses and cereal bowls.

Throckmorton

(3,579 posts)
38. As are my Texaco beer glasses.
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 08:17 AM
Apr 2020

My mother still has a bunch of these from the pre-embargo gas war days.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
8. I'm not sure what exactly this means on either the macro level or the micro level.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:39 PM
Apr 2020

Would this, in any way, result in an eventual weakening of the fossil fuel sector - lessening their financial/political power? And possibly making way for more renewables; biofuels and such?

jimfields33

(15,763 posts)
14. Only if they can be done cheaper. And right now that's doubtful
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:50 PM
Apr 2020

I’m not sure what the cross over costs are between the two are. But gas being so extraordinarily cheap couldn’t possibly be cheaper then renewables at this time. But with everything the pendulum will swing back.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
16. High priced fossil fuel energy
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:54 PM
Apr 2020

makes emerging renewable technologies more economical. This C-19 recession/depression is not going to be kind to Green New Deal ideas.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
25. Not if big oil has any say in it.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 08:03 PM
Apr 2020

I think "peak oil" was a creation for the purpose of attaining higher prices.

Yes, at some point we will/would run out of oil. But apparently that is a lot further in the future than previously thought. This usage drop, and the resulting glut, is primarily car driven. (no pun intended) Cars were already getting MUCH better mileage, which is why the turd had to weigh in (PRIOR to "stay at home" ). Got to get the price back up to assuage his big oil donors.

And yes, this SHOULD make way for "anything but oil", but Attention Deficit Disorder Americans forget next week what they should have learned this week.

We have to hope that the innovators out there will continue the search for alternatives, and not throw in the towel because of a temporary lull in gas prices.

I still want my home solar powered, and an electric car that I can charge off of solar power. I want to STOP contributing to the problem. (DAMN, those solar panels have to built somewhere, probably China, and the materials to make them are probably NOT earth friendly, the value of my home will go up, along with the taxes on it... quite a quandary... )

FakeNoose

(32,620 posts)
26. It means they are overstocked at the supply level
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 08:11 PM
Apr 2020

The consumers aren't buying gasoline because #1 we can't go anywhere and #2 we have no money.

So the gasoline that was already refined and sitting in tanks isn't getting sold. Therefore, the refiners don't have to make any more, and they're going to lay their employees off and shut down for a few months.




LudwigPastorius

(9,130 posts)
31. Setting aside long-term trends in the energy industry, I'm thinking...
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 10:21 PM
Apr 2020

it means we are entering a period of deflation that will look more like 1930 than 2008.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
33. Yes this is weakening them
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 05:14 AM
Apr 2020

And their power, and we'll see more renewables take over from them. Oil will soon be what coal is now, not preferred because its dirty energy.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,446 posts)
24. I remember the stamps well. My mom was an avid collector and redeemer.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 08:02 PM
Apr 2020

She thought it was "free money"...but my sisters and I were tasked with licking the stamps into the books. Bummer.

I expect that the creative financial games at the pump will be focused on sweeter deals...for gas card customers. By keeping their product at a higher price for those w/o their gas cards.

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
18. Seeing that the economy, etc is now looking terrible...
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:58 PM
Apr 2020

at what point will Trump just rape our country of everything, and then sneak off to Russia in the middle of the night?

caraher

(6,278 posts)
28. Do you have a refinery?
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 09:17 PM
Apr 2020

Since this is crude oil it's probably not in a state fit to put in your car...

On the other hand, maybe you just want to store it and sell it back when the market recovers?

1 barrel of oil = 42 gallons. So depending on your car it might fit...

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
32. With little oil being sold refineries will be next to shut down
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 05:06 AM
Apr 2020

With people getting laid off soon. I'm surprised the prices haven't dropped more to help lower the levels in storage. Until they lower the glut with drastic price cuts, and people are safe to return to work this will worsen for all oil companies. Once most refineries are down they will be slow to return. Starting them up is a longer and harder and a much more dangerous process. Some oil companies will go under from this. With the economy changing rapidly we may never see the same levels of oil needed again. After working in them for over 30 years , and retired, this will be causing major cutbacks , and permanent closures . I feel for all that are facing job loss. and uncertainty. I've been in their shoes before from being in a plant closed down having to transfer , and its not a fun place to be.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
34. oh noes
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 06:40 AM
Apr 2020

Those poor oil companies! Quick - how much stimulus / bail out money (tax dollars) do we need to send them?

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
35. Exxon an the international vos
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 06:59 AM
Apr 2020

Aren’t hurt that bad. Most of their production is priced in Brent Crude which remains around $25.

This affects the smaller local companies in New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana etc.

From an environmentalist perspective, this is horrible as it makes renewable and zero emission energy — which were already more expensive — cost prohibitive. Few people will buy a Prius to save money on gas when gas is $1.50. (Counting inflation, that the cheapest ever. Cheaper than bottled water.)

Economically, we are in a weird place, the United States is the largest producer of oil in the world. It is a net exporter. So an oil price melt down hurts our economy, overall. Some middling price is better.

The main beneficiary is China. It is the largest importer of oil. It is also the worst environmental offender in the world, bar none. Given Chinas lies and genocide, I’m not particularly in the mood to help their government.

The cause of this is dumping by Russia and Saudi. The classic response to dumping a strategic product on a market to hurt a domestic industry is a tariff.

Let’s see if Trump has the balls to do it.

Or if Exxon is still calling the shots.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
37. Trump will do whatever he thinks will protect his a$$...
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 12:08 AM
Apr 2020

Whatever that is. He is quite erratic, I think.

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