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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,985 posts)
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 08:45 PM Apr 2020

America's mass hog cull begins with meat to rot in landfills

Source: Bloomberg

The mass culling of America’s hog herd is starting as a wave of shutdowns at processing plants creates livestock gluts that farmers can no longer sustain.

Starting Wednesday, about 13,000 pigs a day will be killed at a JBS SA slaughterhouse in Minnesota, according to U.S. Representative Collin Peterson. Rather than cuts being turned into hams and bacon for stay-at-home shoppers, the carcasses may be dumped in landfills or go to rendering plants.

The culling shows the disconnect that’s occurring as the pandemic sickens workers just as consumers stock up on meat. Dairy farmers are pouring away milk that can’t be sold to processors, broiler operations have been breaking eggs to reduce supplies and some fruit and vegetables are rotting in fields amid labor and distribution disruptions.

“We don’t want to euthanize hogs, but we’ve got no choice,” Peterson, who is chairman of the House Agriculture Committee, told reporters on a conference call. “I asked them to do it. So if people are upset, they can be upset with me.”

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/americas-mass-hog-cull-begins-with-meat-to-rot-in-landfills/ar-BB13khnw?li=BBnbfcN&ocid=hplocalnews

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America's mass hog cull begins with meat to rot in landfills (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2020 OP
So taxpayers will bail out these farmers. Freethinker65 Apr 2020 #1
The chain is broken. Can't get the meat to market if the processors are down. AtheistCrusader Apr 2020 #3
It has to be processed first. paleotn Apr 2020 #4
Excellent time for vegetarians... pbmus Apr 2020 #21
Meat used to xxqqqzme Apr 2020 #25
Oh, you will pay ... twice - you will pay as a taxpayer, and pay as a consumer bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #10
This is incredibly unfortuante, and illustrates the farm-to-table gap we've built with all these AtheistCrusader Apr 2020 #2
Right. There was a potato farmer in Idaho MissB Apr 2020 #6
Yet another aspect of the pandemic for which trumpie takes no responsibility. Haggis for Breakfast Apr 2020 #5
They are trying to blame liberals who hate Trump because they are forced to shut down ArizonaLib Apr 2020 #7
This kind of massive disposal of unused food by products is a massive environmental problem bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #8
The wonders of capitalism rickyhall Apr 2020 #9
Hard to tell how widespread this problem is. nt Steelrolled Apr 2020 #11
The CDC has guidelines gab13by13 Apr 2020 #12
They're not making any profit now. Maybe a bad choice on their part, driven by greed. Liberty Belle Apr 2020 #23
This should not be happening. Baitball Blogger Apr 2020 #13
Use the WPA. GriffenRamsey Apr 2020 #14
The inhumane horror of the practice of raising animals for slaughter is laid bare. Coventina Apr 2020 #15
We could always eat the rich IronLionZion Apr 2020 #16
I know it would cost catchnrelease Apr 2020 #17
Thinking Something Similar erpowers Apr 2020 #22
There's a big sticking point Bantamfancier Apr 2020 #26
Token vegan raising my hand here. byronius Apr 2020 #18
I'm vegan too. a la izquierda Apr 2020 #24
Thank you for writing this. Agree completely. It's horrific. Coventina Apr 2020 #27
With you. Thank you. n/t OneGrassRoot Apr 2020 #29
Me too Intronautical1 May 2020 #30
Euthanize? Yeah, right. jeffreyi Apr 2020 #19
Things would be different if the liar-in-chief read his briefings and took them seriously. Talitha Apr 2020 #20
when my husband joined me in becoming vegetarian, I threw out some chicken breasts from the freezer renate Apr 2020 #28

Freethinker65

(10,021 posts)
1. So taxpayers will bail out these farmers.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 08:51 PM
Apr 2020

We might as well get the meat to market or food pantries if we end up subsidizing farmers for their losses anyway.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
3. The chain is broken. Can't get the meat to market if the processors are down.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 08:53 PM
Apr 2020

In my entire neighborhood, I'm probably the only person who even could cut and wrap a whole hog, and I would do it badly.

paleotn

(17,913 posts)
4. It has to be processed first.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 09:11 PM
Apr 2020

and those who do the processing either can't our won't make their workplaces safe for their employees. It's not the farmer's fault and dividing "deserving" verses "undeserving" without knowledge and context isn't helpful. It also shows a lack of knowledge of just who farms and who doesn't. I say that because I'm surrounded by farmers. Dairy guys mostly. Many are "corporate" as we like to throw around because their ops are set up as LLC's, etc. BUT the bulk of these same LLC farmers have been farming the same land for 3, 4, 5 and 6 generations. One I know of, his family has owned much of the same land since the American Revolution. So it's easy to stereotype them if they're mythical to you. A whole lot different when you meet them face to face at the local gas and go. Or wave as they drive by on their tractor hauling hay. That's my world. Maybe it's different in Iowa or Illinois or California. But around here dairy guys have been crippled with low milk prices for at least 4 years now. Then came the tariff wars. Now this. But hey...if you want food to just magically fall from the sky, well go right ahead.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
25. Meat used to
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 06:34 AM
Apr 2020

arrive at grocery stores as a half carcass. Then real butchers cut it up. I know because my dad was a butcher for Kroger, Lucky's, and Von's. He was trained under the GI bill. There are not many in the Meat Department who can take a carcass apart now.

Today meat is delivered wrapped in plastic on a styrofoam tray straight from the 'processing' plant. The chain was broken years ago.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
10. Oh, you will pay ... twice - you will pay as a taxpayer, and pay as a consumer
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 09:55 PM
Apr 2020

When the system is up and running again, all the businesses along the way will need higher prices to recoup costs.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
2. This is incredibly unfortuante, and illustrates the farm-to-table gap we've built with all these
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 08:52 PM
Apr 2020

'efficiencies' over the decades.

There isn't even an alternative.

MissB

(15,808 posts)
6. Right. There was a potato farmer in Idaho
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 09:24 PM
Apr 2020

That opened up his mound of potatoes to come and get as many as they wanted.

Can’t really do that with hogs.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
7. They are trying to blame liberals who hate Trump because they are forced to shut down
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 09:37 PM
Apr 2020

'See liberals? These hogs wouldn't need to die if we could open everything up'

THIS IS A GREAT REASON TO GO VEGETARIAN

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
8. This kind of massive disposal of unused food by products is a massive environmental problem
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 09:40 PM
Apr 2020

Seems to my memory that Ben & Jerry's was sued in Vermont for disposing of byproducts in the manufacture of ice cream, I think it was whey - they had pits filled with the stuff. This was 25 years ago

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
12. The CDC has guidelines
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 10:20 PM
Apr 2020

how to operate these facilities, but they made them voluntary. Thousands of workers are getting sick and many are dying.

The plants wouldn't make as much profit though if they put in place those safety measures.

Coventina

(27,120 posts)
15. The inhumane horror of the practice of raising animals for slaughter is laid bare.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 10:53 PM
Apr 2020

With no slaughterhouse, the animal still has to die.

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
17. I know it would cost
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 11:03 PM
Apr 2020

Could at least some of the animals be shipped to say Canada? Mexico? At least they would not be wasted. Offer them to people that might have, say, a local butcher that could do a few for communities that would want them. That is done for deer and people that raise a steer or two etc. I know this would be a drop in the bucket if they are going to kill (euthanize is such an nice word to use) 13,000/day. But the waste compounds the horror.

I saw yesterday that Cuomo is having New York work with dairy farmers to get some of their milk made into cheese and yogurt to be distributed to people in need of food. There was some other product he was working with but I can't recall it now. The leaders need to think outside of the box to deal with these issues. (Not expecting that from the White House crew though)

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
22. Thinking Something Similar
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 12:39 AM
Apr 2020

I was wondering if the government could try to find foreign buyers for the animals. I was mainly thinking China. I had heard that Chinese people love pork. How about try to get the Chinese government to buy at least some of the larger pigs? Then see if other countries would be willing to buy some of the remaining pigs. As another option, how about trying to sell some of the pigs to Americans who could butcher them and use the meat? As for the little pigs, how about asking Americans with large enough yards to buy the pigs, raise them temporarily, and then sell them back to the farmers once demand has increased? Also, could the federal government take some of the pigs (large and small) and temporarily house them until demand picks up?

Bantamfancier

(366 posts)
26. There's a big sticking point
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 12:30 PM
Apr 2020

with China buying pork.

They will not accept any that has been fed ractopamine.

byronius

(7,394 posts)
18. Token vegan raising my hand here.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 11:04 PM
Apr 2020

Yeah. Think about how I perceive this. Just for a moment.

I'm an American. I've raised two strong and ethical children. I was a consumer of meat for thirty years, ten of those with no qualm about meat whatsoever. Born in Texas, after all.

But -- if I may -- offer a small window into how this news impacts me personally: The fact is that pigs form families. Pigs can count. Pigs can do basic math and solve logic problems. Pigs can strategize.

Consciousness is a continuum. This was the conclusion of a large-scale long-term British scientific study, not any wild-eyed utterance of animal activists. Consciousness is a product of neural complexity, and pigs possess quite complex brains. It is possible there have been pigs possessing more complex brains than some human beings.

Imagine, just for a moment if you will, that you accept the statements contained in these last two paragraphs. I'm very aware that the ability to acknowledge these statements as true is inversely proportional to one's consumption of pork. I have been right there, brother, so I understand.

That's why I don't judge people about this issue. It's a 'natural' condition. But -- here on the other side, after all this time, I feel:

Horror. Empathy for these creatures and the panic they feel. Anger at their mistreatment and degradation.

It's all so, so wrong. I'd prefer to live in a civilization where this practice was made wholly illegal and viewed as barbaric primitivism.

Alas, I do not. But I will vote that way for the rest of my life, insofar as I can deduce the democratic calculus that might lead me there.

Anyway. That's what I had to say.

Talitha

(6,589 posts)
20. Things would be different if the liar-in-chief read his briefings and took them seriously.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 11:08 PM
Apr 2020

Things would be different if he hadn't acted like a vindictive little bitch and dissolved OUR pandemic response team 2 years ago.

Everything he touches dies.

renate

(13,776 posts)
28. when my husband joined me in becoming vegetarian, I threw out some chicken breasts from the freezer
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 02:40 PM
Apr 2020

And I cried. Because I was so sad at the idea of these little chickens dying for literally nothing. Not even to be eaten. Just killed and then thrown away.

This is beyond tears. It's too much. It's just heartbreaking.

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