Florida medical examiners were releasing coronavirus death data. The state made them stop.
Source: Tampa Bay Times
State officials have stopped releasing the list of coronavirus deaths being compiled by Floridas medical examiners, which has at times shown a higher death toll than the states published count.
The list had previously been released in real time by the state Medical Examiners Commission. But earlier this month, after the Tampa Bay Times reported that the medical examiners death count was 10 percent higher than the figure released by the Florida Department of Health, state officials said the list needed to be reviewed and possibly redacted.
Theyve now been withholding it for nine days, without providing any of the information or specifying what they plan to remove.
Dr. Stephen Nelson, the chairman of the state Medical Examiners Commission, said the change in policy came after the state health department intervened.
Read more: https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/04/29/florida-medical-examiners-were-releasing-coronavirus-death-data-the-state-made-them-stop/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=social&utm_content=%40TB_Tmes
ancianita
(35,932 posts)What's the state going to do, put them in jail?
They are the professionals, and are not replaceable.
They need to take a stand on this and put those numbers out.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)be allowed to keep secrets about infection or fatality rates during a life-and-death health crisis.
gibraltar72
(7,498 posts)At one point I think Tampa paper said 59 deaths in Tampa area had not been reported.
Botany
(70,447 posts)Can't have this information getting out as Trump/Desantis/Fox News are trying to open the
state back up so more people can get sick and or die.
bucolic_frolic
(43,044 posts)I read a report the other day of a nursing home where 1-2 people pass per month or even two, but now the rate is 20 times that and only a handful attributed to COVID because they were tested. The rest were not.
Lochloosa
(16,061 posts)not fooled
(5,801 posts)cover up the actual deaths and sickness. Minimize testing. Just let herd immunity take hold (if possible).
That's red don's strategy.
I live in Florida I think they have not been honest about the numbers! To low I think.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)csziggy
(34,131 posts)Which requires public availability of most data from state and local entities. A few things, such as death certificates have been made private but are still available to the families *. Aggregate data should still be considered public information and withholding it should be illegal. I am surprised that no newspaper has sued yet.
* The death certificate change was made after Dale Earnhart's death certificate was obtained by some news sources and it upsetthe fans and the family.
To assist the public and governmental agencies in understanding the requirements and exemptions to Florida's open government laws, the Attorney General's Office compiles a comprehensive guide known as the Government-in-the-Sunshine manual. The manual is published each year at no taxpayer expense by the First Amendment Foundation in Tallahassee.
Florida began its tradition of openness back in 1909 with the passage of Chapter 119 of the Florida Statutes or the Public Records Law. This law provides that any records made or received by any public agency in the course of its official business are available for inspection, unless specifically exempted by the Florida Legislature. Over the years, the definition of what constitutes public records has come to include not just traditional written documents such as papers, maps and books, but also tapes, photographs, film, sound recordings and records stored in computers.
Florida's Government-in-the-Sunshine Law was enacted in 1967. Today, the Sunshine Law regarding open government can be found in Chapter 286 of the Florida Statutes. These statutes establish a basic right of access to most meetings of boards, commissions and other governing bodies of state and local governmental agencies or authorities.
Throughout the history of Florida's open government, its courts have consistently supported the public's right of access to governmental meetings and records. As such, they also have been defining and redefining what a public record is and who is covered under the open meetings law. One area of public concern was whether or not the Legislature was covered under the open meetings requirements. To address that concern, a Constitutional amendment was passed overwhelmingly by the voters in 1990 providing for open meetings in the legislative branch of government.
The Attorney General's Office has consistently sought to safeguard Florida's pioneering Government-in-the-Sunshine laws. Our attorneys have worked, both in the courtroom and out, to halt public records violations. In 1991, a decision by the Florida Supreme Court raised questions which made it clear that the best way to ensure the public's right of access to all three branches of government was to secure that right through the Florida Constitution. The Attorney General's Office then drafted a definitive constitutional amendment, which guaranteed continued openness in the state's government and reaffirmed the application of open government to the legislative branch and expanded it to the judiciary. This amendment passed in 1992.
https://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/Main/DC0B20B7DC22B7418525791B006A54E4
NCjack
(10,279 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,290 posts)thecrow
(5,519 posts)Kickety kick
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)then it shouldn't be counted as a COVID-19 death.
In case people didn't know, Americans have a lot of underlying health conditions. We are a very unhealthy country.
Igel
(35,274 posts)The one people are focusing on is a sidebar comment in the OP.
For more information--including why the numbers on the lists differ--there's the article the OP refers to: https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/04/11/floridas-count-of-coronavirus-deaths-is-missing-some-cases/
The 10% that's only sometimes is because the state removes non-residents from the list. It's not random. It's a bit strange, but it's not random. Not sure it's necessarily a conspiracy. (Oddly, I'd heard that. Maybe from this article. Maybe from elsewhere. It's the kind of thing that you'd expect Worldometers to reference. They only do so obliquely.
(Worldometer refers its viewers to two sources. Here's #2: https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/ It separates out residents/non-residents for positives, but not for death. Doesn't say who's included in the death count. Source #1 is https://fdoh.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/8d0de33f260d444c852a615dc7837c86 and it's explicit: The death count, which means the death toll in #2 since they're the same number, is residents only. It's not hidden. It's just not highlighted. You need to read and think, "Ah, this is just for residents. What about any non-residents who die in Florida?"
As for the information that's released or withheld, that's tricky. We have a right to know. Then again, if little Jaela Smith, age 12, gets raped and killed while home alone while her mother's at work, the names and details won't be released. And yet we still have a right to know. They take pictures during the autopsy? We still ... But most won't follow that thought through. Newspapers respect the relatives wishes very often. How often do we read of some deceased celebrity that the cause of death hasn't been released? If they release all the information on deceased person who died from COVID-19, very often that's as good as releasing the name.
riversedge
(70,077 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)douglas9
(4,358 posts)TALLAHASSEE The Associated Press and major newspapers sued Florida in Leon County Court for refusing to release records on Covid-19 deaths in long-term care facilities.
https://www.courthousenews.com/public-record-6/
niyad
(113,049 posts)Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)Just like Trump.
It's about the numbers and keeping them "low" and insignificant.
They'll lie and hide them.
I wouldn't be surprised if the governor/state tries to get medical examiners to classify/falsify deaths as an underlying cause instead of the immediate ailment of COVID-19.
BrightKnight
(3,567 posts)TeamPooka
(24,205 posts)Pobeka
(4,999 posts)They can't hide this. The death stats by age class can be compared to last year. If you have 2-10x more deaths than last year it'll be obvious...
I'll bet someone will be doing this type of analysis for every state, it'll be obvious which states were not classifying the COVID19 deaths properly.