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Mon May 4, 2020, 07:24 PM

Democrats leave Doug Jones hanging as Senate map takes shape

Source: Politico

There's a glaring omission as Democrats lay down millions of dollars to try and win control of the Senate: Democratic Alabama Sen. Doug Jones.

The two leading Senate Democratic campaign groups reserved nearly $100 million for the fall in half a dozen states with Republican incumbents. But so far they have put down nothing to protect their most vulnerable incumbent and aren’t yet formally committing to spend big dollars for him.

Jones said the cavalry will come eventually.


“I don’t think they have to do that right now. I don’t even have an opponent yet. I don’t think that they’re going to leave us out at all,” Jones said in an interview. “We feel very good about where we are in this race. There’s no question about that.”

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/03/senate-democrats-alabama-doug-jones-229073



At least Jones can put a positive spin on it.

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Reply Democrats leave Doug Jones hanging as Senate map takes shape (Original post)
BaronChocula May 2020 OP
cstanleytech May 2020 #1
Hortensis May 2020 #50
qazplm135 May 2020 #2
Jake Stern May 2020 #6
The Magistrate May 2020 #3
Mister Ed May 2020 #9
brooklynite May 2020 #60
elleng May 2020 #13
localroger May 2020 #19
kevink077 May 2020 #32
localroger May 2020 #57
WyLoochka May 2020 #28
Hortensis May 2020 #52
Progressive Jones May 2020 #62
Iliyah May 2020 #4
Hortensis May 2020 #51
Jake Stern May 2020 #5
cstanleytech May 2020 #27
Salviati May 2020 #37
groundloop May 2020 #38
Salviati May 2020 #40
crickets May 2020 #59
Jake Stern May 2020 #45
cyclezealot1 May 2020 #53
Laelth May 2020 #7
ancianita May 2020 #10
rockfordfile May 2020 #17
DrToast May 2020 #21
honest.abe May 2020 #58
brooklynite May 2020 #61
mikewv May 2020 #8
question everything May 2020 #11
Indykatie May 2020 #12
DrToast May 2020 #23
Gore1FL May 2020 #35
peacebuzzard May 2020 #14
Jake Stern May 2020 #46
ibegurpard May 2020 #15
Chicago1980 May 2020 #16
Ferrets are Cool May 2020 #18
Laelth May 2020 #20
Ferrets are Cool May 2020 #22
bucolic_frolic May 2020 #26
druidity33 May 2020 #24
NewDayOranges May 2020 #25
Hulk May 2020 #29
Laelth May 2020 #33
MiniMe May 2020 #30
IronLionZion May 2020 #31
Jake Stern May 2020 #34
cry baby May 2020 #36
kaiserhog May 2020 #39
Scalded Nun May 2020 #41
lastlib May 2020 #42
Aristus May 2020 #43
nycbos May 2020 #49
VarryOn May 2020 #44
RhodeIslandOne May 2020 #55
Tactical Peek May 2020 #47
larwdem May 2020 #48
RhodeIslandOne May 2020 #54
BigDemVoter May 2020 #56
Progressive Jones May 2020 #63

Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 07:32 PM

1. To be brutally honest the problem is Jones is in a red state and winning there again

will be very difficult so the campaign groups have to decide how to get the most bang for their buck.
That means they will probably focus most of their resources on defeating Republicans in purple and light blue an red states where they might be more likely to win.
It sucks though that they have to make such hard choices on where to spend the money they do have.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #1)

Tue May 5, 2020, 08:55 AM

50. Jones rejected DSCC help last time for the same reasons

the national Democratic Party backing him is a bad idea now.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 07:33 PM

2. He's toast and he knows it

Alabama is just too red to keep him there no matter how good a job he does.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #2)

Mon May 4, 2020, 07:44 PM

6. His original win was a total fluke

He only won because Roy Moore was on the ballot.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 07:35 PM

3. Not Backing This Fella To The Hilt Is A Mistake, Sir

The Republican vote is pretty fractured, and his chances today are good as they were two years ago, at least.

Mr. Dean was right --- make the boogers fight everywhere....

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #3)

Mon May 4, 2020, 07:45 PM

9. Aye. Howard Dean's 50-state strategy was wise then, and is wise now. Fight them everywhere.

"We shall fight them on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender."

- Winston Churchill


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Response to Mister Ed (Reply #9)

Wed May 6, 2020, 12:39 PM

60. Who should NOT get money to fight?

As someone who HAS given money to Jones, I'll say that I support DSCC being more strategic in their spending. We can get the Republicans to play defense in Arizona, North Carolina, Iowa and Georgia.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #3)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:09 PM

13. Yes

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #3)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:34 PM

19. Yes. Everyone thought John Bel Edwards had no chance for a second term.

Obviously the Republicans weren't going to run another candidate as toxic as David Vitter against him. But Republicans are FUCKING STUPID and their two frontrunners ignored the fact that we have a jungle primary, split the vote, and handed Edwards a second term. (And I am extremely grateful we have JBE instead of any of the maniacs who were running against him now that Louisiana is on the front page of the coronavirus show. He's handled the crisis extremely well.)

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Response to localroger (Reply #19)

Mon May 4, 2020, 09:35 PM

32. Disagree about Edwards

Edwards was reasonably popular even among moderate republicans (pro life) and LA will elect dems from time to time. The republican running against Edwards was about the most lackluster candidate they could have ever picked, bad choice against the charismatic Edwards in a good Economy. Jindals ghost was still lurking too.

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Response to kevink077 (Reply #32)

Tue May 5, 2020, 03:47 PM

57. Edwards was reasonably popular, yes

...but it's still exceedingly difficult for a Democrat of any stripe to win a statewide office here. He won the first time because the two Republicans running against David Vitter split the anti-Vitter vote in the primary, leaving him in the general against Edwards, and Vitter was so toxic Edwards was able to beat him -- although the polling showed either of the other two Republicans easily beating Edwards in a one-on-one general. For his second term he had some benefit from his own first term looking like a breath of fresh air after the Jindal administration, plus the two Republicans who floated to the top in the primary were both serious whack jobs even by mainstream Republican standards. Again, had the Republicans done a better job of candidate management, they should have been able to find someone who could beat any Democrat.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #3)

Mon May 4, 2020, 09:12 PM

28. Agree we need to fight for this seat

Don't give up anywhere. Turning our backs on races, not fighting everywhere, not taking the message to all the people has been a big factor in the decrease in enthusiasm for the Democratic Party over the years.

This type of thinking by party "deciders" can be so darn depressing - and discouraging.

You can't win seats unless you contest seats.

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Response to WyLoochka (Reply #28)

Tue May 5, 2020, 09:10 AM

52. This is HOW we fight for his seat. Jones IS contesting,

and overt Democratic Party help would be fatal.

I can't believe so many don't understand that AL's swing voters chose him IN SPITE OF being a Democrat and that every action defining him as our man would be a mistake.

Surely others here remember that Jones himself ostentatiously rejected party help in 2016? That's how we barely took that seat away from a depraved child molester, that's how much they DON'T like Democrats.

This time the opponent will be a depraved, corrupt member of a depraved, corrupt party that is destroying the nation we all inherited. Let's see what happens between now and November 3.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #3)

Wed May 6, 2020, 01:29 PM

62. K & R. Thank You ! nt

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 07:35 PM

4. I think he can win again . .

DNC is there for him

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #4)

Tue May 5, 2020, 09:04 AM

51. :) Like the spirit. If he wins it will be purposefully WITHOUT DSCC help.

The swing voters who helped elect him may still like him more than corrupt Sessions as their alternative, but it would again be spite of his being a Democrat. He disassociated himself amap last time as well.

It's not Politico's intent to HELP reelect Senator Jones, of course, but this headline can only help in AL.

Go, Senator Jones: Keep those corrupt scum out of power.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 07:41 PM

5. According to virtually all models Doug Jones is toast.

Truth is his victory was a fluke and only because enough Republicans couldn't stomach voting for creepy Roy Moore and stayed home.

There are races we are on track to win such as defeating Trump humpers Cory Gardner in Colorado and Martha McSally in Arizona and we stand a good chance of turning Texas purple. Those would be a better use of funds than trying to keep Jones's campaign on life support.

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Response to Jake Stern (Reply #5)

Mon May 4, 2020, 09:04 PM

27. Maybe but then again do not forget the Republicans are going to be struggling to hold onto a number

other seats like McConnell because of a number of factors so their resources are going to be stretched thin trying to keep their people in office so Jones might be able to pull off a win.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #27)

Mon May 4, 2020, 10:05 PM

37. And the places where we refuse to even fight...

... are the places that the most toxic brand of republicanism festers. We need to at least get our message out everywhere if we want to have any hope of changing some of these deep red states. We may not win right away, but it is an investment in the future.

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Response to Salviati (Reply #37)

Mon May 4, 2020, 10:25 PM

38. DAMN good argument for supporting Doug

He's done a good job here, despite fierce resistance from repubs.

For instance, Goodyear recently announced the closure of their plant in Gadsden. Doug worked, albeit unsuccessfully, to save the plant. He held a forum and invited all the local and state politicians, but was boycotted by several city and state officials because it was a Democrat calling for action.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #38)

Mon May 4, 2020, 10:30 PM

40. We don't need to always win in these fights to be successful

We shouldn't measure whether the money we spend in fights like this is wasted purely based on whether we win or lose, but rather if we move the needle a little. Doug Jones many have an unlikely road to victory, but that doesn't mean that backing him to some extent is not a smart play. He may lose, but if we can convince some of his constituents that he did a good job for them, they will be more likely to vote for him or even a different Democrat in the future.

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Response to Salviati (Reply #40)

Wed May 6, 2020, 09:53 AM

59. +1

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Response to Salviati (Reply #37)

Mon May 4, 2020, 11:58 PM

45. Meanwhile you take money from potentially winnable races

like the one against Cory Gardner in Colorado or Martha McSally in Arizona to throw at a race where victory is simply not in the cards.

Of course it's possible they'll be dumb enough to nominate Roy Moore again but I doubt it.

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Response to Jake Stern (Reply #5)

Tue May 5, 2020, 01:17 PM

53. building the party from the base, requires no Dem be left behind.

Because Jones chooses not to high profile DSCC help, does not mean behind the scenes technical help won't be accepted.
Of course, competitive races need the higher priority. But, no loyal Dem candidate should be left hanging.
Remember, he ruled Donnie incompetent to serve as president.
That took real courage. The fifty state strategy requires no loyal Democrat be abandoned.
Minimal support for Jones builds a local following offering future sane Alabamians new options by building from the local communities up.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 07:44 PM

7. He won the seat once. He can win it again.

He deserves our support.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #7)

Mon May 4, 2020, 07:49 PM

10. +1

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Response to Laelth (Reply #7)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:34 PM

17. I agree

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Response to Laelth (Reply #7)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:39 PM

21. In a Presidential election year?

With Trump on the ballot in Alabama? No, I don’t think he can.

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Response to Laelth (Reply #7)

Tue May 5, 2020, 03:53 PM

58. Agreed.

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Response to Laelth (Reply #7)

Wed May 6, 2020, 12:40 PM

61. He drew a Joker as his opponent in 2018; not likely to happen again.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 07:45 PM

8. Agree. Don't write him off. (nm)

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Response to mikewv (Reply #8)

Mon May 4, 2020, 07:53 PM

11. We certainly should not. I have intended to donate but have not decided when

Shall I wait for the fall?

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 07:57 PM

12. I'm Sure There's A Nice Job in the Biden Administration for Senator Jones

Throwing millions at his re-election campaign is not the best use of money when we have seats like AZ, SC and IA that are good targets to be flipped. Even with a sexual predator on the ballot Jones' win was still razor thin at 1.5% points. Alabama is gonna be Alabama sadly and elect whoever is running with an R behind their name in 2020.

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Response to Indykatie (Reply #12)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:41 PM

23. Agree. He's been a great Senator

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Response to Indykatie (Reply #12)

Mon May 4, 2020, 09:56 PM

35. He has a nice job in the Senate.

I don't know what 2020 holds. One sure way to lose that seat is to not fight for it.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:19 PM

14. I donated to Doug, I don't live in AL

and will again.
Even if he can't side with Dems in all votes, he is careful he is not the deciding vote.
He plays it right.

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Response to peacebuzzard (Reply #14)

Tue May 5, 2020, 12:03 AM

46. It's not about whether he "sides with Dems"

It's about him running for re-election as a Democrat in a cherry red state with Trump on the ballot.

It is always a possibility that they'll nominate Roy Moore again but I have the feeling that Trump will do his damndest to avoid that and push someone a bit more polished.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:23 PM

15. He cannot and must not be written off

He is an incumbent running in a cycle of nearly unprecedented enthusiasm to punish repukes. Even if its only to make them spend big there and not somewhere else we must put as much into it as we can.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:31 PM

16. Where the hell is Bloomberg?

He said he'd help the democrats and this is his chance.

Throw $15,000,000 into a PAC for Jones and call it a day.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:34 PM

18. I am one of his constituients. IF, IF, IF

every Democrat in Alabama got out and voted in November, he "MIGHT" have a snowflakes chance in hell. But, everyone has to vote.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #18)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:36 PM

20. Are his chances that bad? Really? n/t



-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #20)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:39 PM

22. I really, really want him to win AND he can

but ONLY if every last Democrat votes.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #22)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:47 PM

26. Put a $ number to it

Let's see if grass roots Democrats can put their shoulders to it and make sure his campaign has the resources to win if they can.

Let's not lose this because of money. Contributions can go directly to the campaign.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:44 PM

24. Don't you think...

that might give him a better chance? You know, "He's a Democrat, but those Washington Democrats don't support him so he might be alright... better than that weasel Sessions"



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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:45 PM

25. Jones said it best! He doesn't even have an opponent, yet!

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 09:15 PM

29. They had better not leave him out to dry....

The mere fact that he was elected and served, showed his grit and represented the progressive and democratic voters in Alabama deserves support.
He may lose, but we should give it our best shot. He has been a sound Democratic Senator, and he deserves our support. We've wasted money in worst ways.
We had better not leave him out to dry. ALL of these red states have a large contingency of progressives and Democratic voters...and they deserve every opportunity to be represented by a decent Congressman.

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Response to Hulk (Reply #29)

Mon May 4, 2020, 09:40 PM

33. +1 n/t

-Laelth

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 09:25 PM

30. Jones won because his repuke opponent was that bad. A freaking pervert

One who like tRump went after children. Unless he wins the repuke nomination again, I doubt Jones can win.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 09:26 PM

31. Incumbency is an advantage

Aim high. Fight them everywhere so that we can be ready for any opportunity like last time when Roy Moore imploded. GOP turnout could very well be low if enough of them are dissatisfied with the direction of the country under Trump.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #31)

Mon May 4, 2020, 09:49 PM

34. That is a real possibility in an increasingly purple state

like Arizona but highly unlikely in a deep red state like Alabama.

They see the choice as “flawed and gruff” but staunchly pro-life, pro-Christian conservative Donald Trump versus “baby killin’ socialist democrat” Joe Biden and by extension Doug Jones.

Texas is will go blue long before Alabama.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 10:04 PM

36. How sad Dems are so short sighted.

Jones has been courageous and has the respect of other Dems. I think we will regret this decision.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 10:29 PM

39. If Tommy Tuberville is the nominee.

Most Bama fans won't vote for him because he coached Auburn. Heck, a lot of Auburn fans won't vote for him because they think he was a lousy coach.

Screw Chuck Schumer, Doug Jones can win this thing.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 10:31 PM

41. Unwise, sad and very poor decision

I do not live in Alabama but I am unfortunately in a red state.

This is not just turning your back on a sitting dem senator. It is telling all the dem, left leaning, smart people of that state that they are just not important enough to even try and help them be represented.

Then the DNC wonders why folks turn their backs.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 10:53 PM

42. Hmmmm--may have to trim my donation to DSCC......

...and send a little of that green stuff Mr. Jones' way.......

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 11:12 PM

43. I think he has the right of it; he doesn't have an opponent yet.

The DNC should wait until a GOP challenger announces, and then hit him with both barrels...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #43)

Tue May 5, 2020, 07:12 AM

49. Campaigns and campaign committees reserve air time now....

... because buying airtime before an election is way more expesive.


These reservations are about locking in lower rates.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 11:25 PM

44. We dont need to waste any effort on him...

Plus, there will be votes where he disappoints us. Might as well have a Republican. He's no better than a Manchin.

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Response to VarryOn (Reply #44)

Tue May 5, 2020, 01:25 PM

55. Doug Jones voted no on Boozin' Rapin' Brett, unlike Manchin

 

Gimme a break, if you're going to say something like that at least get educated beforehand.

Jones has absolutely voted like a solid moderate Democrat, knowing he's likely to lose anyway, unlike that fraud Manchin who is more than 4 years away from even coming up again. He does not deserve scorn. Shame on you.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Tue May 5, 2020, 12:10 AM

47. The thing that hath been, it is that which can be again.





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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Tue May 5, 2020, 12:50 AM

48. stop the infighting WTF

He said (I don't even have an opponent yet)

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Tue May 5, 2020, 01:19 PM

54. I've donated to him

 

He has been fearless with his votes.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Tue May 5, 2020, 01:28 PM

56. As much as I hate to say it, money is very, very limited, and Jones'

chance of winning there are about 0%. . . Better to bring down the Collins assholoe in Maine and McSally in AZ. . .

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed May 6, 2020, 01:34 PM

63. Don't Write This Seat Off. Jones Can Keep It With The Right Support.

I don't believe he won merely by "not being Roy Moore"

It's a Blue wave, and it's even hitting the Red States.

I'd truly believe that this nation will be much Bluer by 2024.

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