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denem

(11,045 posts)
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:16 AM May 2020

A mutant coronavirus has emerged, even more contagious than the original, study says

Source: LA Times

Scientists have identified a new strain of the coronavirus that has become dominant worldwide and appears to be more contagious than the versions that spread in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the United States and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March, the scientists wrote.

In addition to spreading faster, it may make people vulnerable to a second infection after a first bout with the disease, the report warned.

(snip) Wherever the new strain appeared, it quickly infected far more people than the earlier strains that came out of Wuhan, China, and within weeks it was the only strain that was prevalent in some nations, according to the report. The new strain's dominance over its predecessors demonstrates that it is more infectious, according to the report, though exactly why is not yet known.

Read more: https://news.yahoo.com/mutant-coronavirus-emerged-even-more-110046843.html



This is the variant that hit New York. Analysis of reports from Wuhan before the lockdown suggests that SARS-Cov-2 had an R0 of 5.7. A more contagious strain is mind-blowing.
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A mutant coronavirus has emerged, even more contagious than the original, study says (Original Post) denem May 2020 OP
K&R! SheltieLover May 2020 #1
Good news. Time to re-open bars, gyms and movie theaters. denem May 2020 #3
Right? SheltieLover May 2020 #9
Good times! machoneman May 2020 #13
Take off our masks denem May 2020 #15
An undertaker's wet dream. n/t Eyeball_Kid May 2020 #22
K&R! gademocrat7 May 2020 #2
Ugh. Is Trump Now Going to Say Germany Invented It? TomCADem May 2020 #4
Good to see some states are taking care of their citizens despite trump dixiegrrrrl May 2020 #52
I'm sure glad that there are people smarter than me working on this. It sure makes me sad that abqtommy May 2020 #5
The question is, is it more lethal? still_one May 2020 #6
We know where it emerged denem May 2020 #10
Exactly! Anecdotal reports indicate that this strain of CV-19 emerged in November Texin May 2020 #19
The preprint indicates it was present in Wuhan early on. Igel May 2020 #29
I am only suggesting the virus could have mutated in Italy. denem May 2020 #31
Even if it's not, it will still kill more people NickB79 May 2020 #45
Wonder who Trump will blame for this new strain? sop May 2020 #7
Mexico IronLionZion May 2020 #11
those damn Scandinavians.... Sancho May 2020 #23
tRump couldn't imagine white people spreading so he didn't close Europe for 5 weeks & UK 1 wk more. Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #8
KNR niyad May 2020 #12
This is a serious development Mike 03 May 2020 #14
It changes the narrative. denem May 2020 #16
I wonder if the two strains ... Blue_playwright May 2020 #32
This really may be Captain Trips AllyCat May 2020 #17
It's just one new fresh hell every day now. Texin May 2020 #18
+1 Mike 03 May 2020 #24
And Trump will come out and say everything is fine in fact in his lunatic mind turbinetree May 2020 #20
This is a most important article. Mike 03 May 2020 #21
"testing positive again" PSPS May 2020 #25
Also seems that there were false negatives, meaning that they hadn't actually cleared the virus JudyM May 2020 #47
WARNING: THIS DATA HAS NOT BEEN PEER REVIEWED, AND THUS MUST BE CONSIDERED INCONCLUSIVE Fiendish Thingy May 2020 #26
The Los Alamos National Laboratory is a hysterical, flakey institution :sarcasm: denem May 2020 #27
And yet it is that trivial conclusion that is headlined and in the foreground nt Fiendish Thingy May 2020 #28
I read absolutely NO such conclusion headlined and in the foreground. It says "now" and "appears." ancianita May 2020 #37
We are in an ongoing, unfinished, unmapped process. OF COURSE it's inconclusive. Nothing it studies ancianita May 2020 #36
People need to recognize that these new studies are suggestive, not conclusive. Chemisse May 2020 #49
Exactly. This ISN'T a race of equals.This isn't about second guessing the expertise of scientists. ancianita May 2020 #50
Oh no, definately not!! I see your point. n/t Chemisse May 2020 #51
Your comment is most important Steelrolled May 2020 #38
Yay. ffr May 2020 #30
Add this item to the Waffle House menus. kairos12 May 2020 #33
I'm thinking adding to WH Big Mac special sauce. denem May 2020 #34
If only. JudyM May 2020 #48
Vote Red. Be Dead. CoronaVirus. /nt bucolic_frolic May 2020 #35
THIS is the truth! bluestarone May 2020 #40
most of the time when a mutation becomes more contagious it becomes less lethal yaesu May 2020 #39
Gov Cuomo mentioned this in his daily brief on Monday - scary stuff. nt iluvtennis May 2020 #41
Gaia is done with us. zentrum May 2020 #42
I am quite Delphinus May 2020 #43
Scientific rebuttal from a virologist on the L.A. Times irresponsible reporting : Fiendish Thingy May 2020 #44
The Los Alamos researchers were able to document the mutated form replacing the original NickB79 May 2020 #46

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
4. Ugh. Is Trump Now Going to Say Germany Invented It?
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:19 AM
May 2020

This is why you can’t just ignore an emerging epidemic. Viruses do not know borders. However, Trump is not interested in solving problems. He just wants to make himself rich and find scapegoats.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
5. I'm sure glad that there are people smarter than me working on this. It sure makes me sad that
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:20 AM
May 2020

tRUMP/reTHUGS/cultists are involved...

Texin

(2,594 posts)
19. Exactly! Anecdotal reports indicate that this strain of CV-19 emerged in November
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:37 AM
May 2020

and possibly earlier in Italy and throughout Europe.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
29. The preprint indicates it was present in Wuhan early on.
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:39 AM
May 2020

Lots of diversity in Wuhan (where it first spread). So, no, you can't blame the Italians in the effort to protect our buddy, the PRC.

The article's authors had to take paints to distinguish between preferential transmission rates and founder effects.

I want to reread the thing after peer review. I can see a few things I don't like, but don't know hardly enough to follow their logic through to any conclusion I trust.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
31. I am only suggesting the virus could have mutated in Italy.
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:49 AM
May 2020

I like you, am looking forward to the peer reviewed publication.

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
45. Even if it's not, it will still kill more people
Tue May 5, 2020, 04:49 PM
May 2020

By simply sell infecting more people in a shorter period of time.

Quantity over quality.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
11. Mexico
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:28 AM
May 2020

because of Corona beer. It's no coincidence that we're hearing about this on Cinco De Mayo.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
14. This is a serious development
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:30 AM
May 2020

I wonder if this is actually related to the early stories (February or March) of their being both an L-Type and S-Type strain? Or is this a step even beyond that?

We really can't end the lockdowns. We may have two strains just in the United States. That has been a suspicion for a long time.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
16. It changes the narrative.
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:33 AM
May 2020

China and Korea were dealing with the original strain. The second wave in Singapore and Japan may be the variant.

Blue_playwright

(1,568 posts)
32. I wonder if the two strains ...
Tue May 5, 2020, 12:08 PM
May 2020

Have something to do with the oddity of some people being so sick while others have no symptoms at all?

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
20. And Trump will come out and say everything is fine in fact in his lunatic mind
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:39 AM
May 2020

he might even have a song..........during his next presser any suggestions...............I have couple...........

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
21. This is a most important article.
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:48 AM
May 2020
Even if the new strain is no more dangerous than the others, it could still complicate efforts to bring the pandemic under control. That would be an issue if the mutation makes the virus so different from earlier strains that people who have immunity to them would not be immune to the new version.

If that is indeed the case, it could make "individuals susceptible to a second infection," the study authors wrote.

It’s possible that the mutation changes the spike in some way that helps the virus evade the immune system, said Montefiori, who has worked on an HIV vaccine for 30 years. “It is hypothetical. We are looking at it very hard.”


This could possibly explain those rare, reported cases of individuals who've "recovered" from COVID-19 and tested negative being reinfected and testing positive again.

PSPS

(13,591 posts)
25. "testing positive again"
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:06 AM
May 2020
This could possibly explain those rare, reported cases of individuals who've "recovered" from COVID-19 and tested negative being reinfected and testing positive again.


The latest I've heard on that is that those post-recovery positives were false positives. The RNA tests they used were reacting to the presence of a leftover fragment of the virus which was inactive. The patients weren't getting sick again and subsequent tests showed them clear.

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
47. Also seems that there were false negatives, meaning that they hadn't actually cleared the virus
Tue May 5, 2020, 05:10 PM
May 2020

in the first place. This continues to be a problem with our testing.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,585 posts)
26. WARNING: THIS DATA HAS NOT BEEN PEER REVIEWED, AND THUS MUST BE CONSIDERED INCONCLUSIVE
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:25 AM
May 2020

If we are going to rely on science rather than hysteria, then Let’s be scientific, not hysterical.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
27. The Los Alamos National Laboratory is a hysterical, flakey institution :sarcasm:
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:32 AM
May 2020

Given we are talking genomics, I take at face value their finding of a variation in the genome. I also take at face value their finding that the identified variant is dominant in Europe and the United States. The conclusion that the the variant is more contagious is trivial.

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
37. I read absolutely NO such conclusion headlined and in the foreground. It says "now" and "appears."
Tue May 5, 2020, 12:47 PM
May 2020

You're seeing something that's not there.

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
36. We are in an ongoing, unfinished, unmapped process. OF COURSE it's inconclusive. Nothing it studies
Tue May 5, 2020, 12:44 PM
May 2020

is conclusive yet!

That doesn't mean we diminish each new inconclusive study, does it.

Where would we be if we took that approach. Dead.

Chemisse

(30,809 posts)
49. People need to recognize that these new studies are suggestive, not conclusive.
Tue May 5, 2020, 07:16 PM
May 2020

When I see something like this, I look around and/or wait for additional supportive information. It's not the same as peer review, of course. We don't have time for that. But it lends enough credence to move forward on that supposition.

Many people are wading through scientific reports for the first time in their lives and should not be encouraged to automatically believe the results of every reputable study that has not yet been challenged.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
38. Your comment is most important
Tue May 5, 2020, 12:56 PM
May 2020

There is so much stuff coming out without review. And even preview sites like biorxiv.org aren't fast enough for some authors, so they are promoting their work in other ways.

Remember the S. Korean researches who announced evidence of reinfection, and a few weeks later said it was measurement error? They did the right thing, but the initial findings caused a lot of doomsday stories.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
39. most of the time when a mutation becomes more contagious it becomes less lethal
Tue May 5, 2020, 12:58 PM
May 2020

but time will tell.

Delphinus

(11,830 posts)
43. I am quite
Tue May 5, 2020, 03:03 PM
May 2020

confused by this. Today I was listening to an NPR program, Here and Now, and they had a science researcher on that said the virus didn't mutate that much.

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
46. The Los Alamos researchers were able to document the mutated form replacing the original
Tue May 5, 2020, 04:56 PM
May 2020

As it spread across Europe and the US over two month's time.

Other than straight up Darwinian selection for a more transmissible virus, what explains this?

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