Cuomo says it's shocking most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home

[alp227]

Source: CNBC

Most new Covid-19 hospitalizations in New York state are from people who were staying home and not venturing much outside, a “shocking” finding, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday.

The preliminary data was from 100 New York hospitals involving about 1,000 patients, Cuomo said at his daily briefing.

It shows that 66% of new admissions were from people who had largely been sheltering at home. The next highest source of admissions was from nursing homes, 18%.

“If you notice, 18% of the people came from nursing homes, less than 1% came from jail or prison, 2% came from the homeless population, 2% from other congregate facilities, but 66% of the people were at home, which is shocking to us,” Cuomo said.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html

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Cuomo also said: "Much of this comes down to what you do to protect yourself. Everything is closed down, government has done everything it could, society has done everything it could. Now it’s up to you."

Nearly 60 years ago, an incoming President of the United States said: "My fellow Americans: Ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what you can do for your country."

[GriffenRamsey]

1. A hidden vector?

Poor hand-washing?

Lax quarantine protocols?

"family" visits?

I'd really like to know if there is a fatal flaw in my isolation.

[Newest Reality]

6. Really...

Others:

I recall that the virus an survive on some surfaces for, what, 72-hours?

Potentials:
Packaging for food
Parcels and bags
Mail
Food itself from stores and restaurants

Is the six-foot distance far enough? Does it carry far on the wind?

[GriffenRamsey]

9. I've been wiping down and isolating groceries, mail, etc.

I'm skipping restaurant prepared food.

I really worry about the wind. If it can blow around, then I'll want the windows closed.

[OhZone]

18. Yeah, this!

[yaesu]

33. I've been doing all of that for 2 months but I have been going for walks, outside, far away from

anyone. I do go shopping every few weeks. It may be prolonging the inevitable but will keep at it.

[Arthur_Frain]

87. This is where I have to draw the line.

As soon as I have to worry about stuff like that? Wind borne hotspots of Coronavirus infection out in the woods around urban areas? Just ship me to that planet where the last Alien movie took place, will ya? I’ll forego the intubation and slow decline over the following week in favor of a few hours of abject terror, and a quick, violent, death.

I’ll take life imitates art for $500, Alex.

[Rebl2]

51. I think

the 6 foot distancing should be more like ten feet. I always wash my hands after opening mail and have done this for years when I found out what goes through the mail system. Always wash my hands when I get home and change my clothes if I have been in a medical setting. Again, I’ve done this for several years now. I do all of this because I’m immunocompromised. I

[quakerboy]

58. Integrated Building Air systems

How does an inner apartment with no windows get air?

How do insects make their way from one apartment to the next.

Potential problems with Multi-family dwellings.

Also worth asking: are people really fully sheltering in place, or are they staying home from work, but still visiting a couple friends once a week.

[DeminPennswoods]

83. Bingo

see Legionnaire's Disease

[jzodda]

89. Doesn't surprise me at all

Here in lower NY state when I go out to the supermarket, deli, pharmacy or drive through I see people all over acting like nothing is going on. From going into stores without masks. From people walking around in groups, especially when its nice outside. In the supermarket last week this young adult sneezed on the bread that was on the shelf. He just looked at me and smiled.

Some people don't care. Some are not afraid, like many young people I see walking about. Some think its all overblown.

When I relate how bad it was for me (I was sick with it for the entire month of Feb and into the first week of march) sometimes I just get a shrug.

We have not as a society taken this very seriously even in NY. I doesn't help that this has become political and now if you support trump you are supposed to think the whole thing is over blown.

[Warpy]

20. Cases have been documented in both cats and dogs

so animals let out might be bringing it home. Cases in cats and dogs have been very mild, so far, so a lot of onwers might not even notice.

I wouldn't have gotten rid of my cats when they were alive, either.

Also, people aren't toing out much, but they are going out at least weekly for groceries or takeout food. In addition, NYC is incredibly congested and warmer weather means open windows. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that a neighbor on an air shaft has spread it that way.

Of course, that's plus all of the above, of course, plus visits from neighbors.

[McKim]

34. I Live in a Dog Neighborhood

I live in a dog neighborhood and people are constantly walking by or running by or biking by because I live across the street from a wild park. Only about 5% wear masks. They assume that nothing is in the air, or on their pet or in their pet. The dog thing may be something that one ought to reevaluate, and cats in and out all day. I worry about all the animals going by all day. I do not want to die so someboday’s dog can do their business!

We wipe down with Clorox all surfaces that we touch every morning. We wash all grocery packages in the sink with loads of detergent and dry them on a towel, then put them away. All mail or packages are left sheltered outdoors. Wash hands all day. We do not go out without a mask. When we take a drive in the car we sanitize the car interior when we come home. We have sometimes gone out for walks in underpopulated areas of the city but I am reevaluating this. We have a small gym in the TV room, a bike, weights and Pilates bar. We have everything delivered expcept the plant nursery puts items in our trunk and we pay on line. We have no visitors. We have dinner with friends frequently on FaceTime. These are the recommendations of our doctor daughter. I offer this as good advice.

[Warpy]

53. Ever try to run in an N-95 mask? It's not fun.

I've had to work in them for long periods, and that's not fun, either.Paper and cloth masks present open barn doors to virus particles.

No matter how sterile you try to keep everything, you can't live in an operating theater standard of cleanliness and you can't hide from this thing forever. Traffic noises are picking up around here, even though most things are still shut down. People can't do this forever, and we're going to have to learn a more acceptable risk level.

We're responsible for maintaining our own acceptable risk level, especially those of us at high risk. We can't police anyone else.

[Pachamama]

24. Pets and kids

Maybe they are vectors

I just found out my adult college daughter went out to meet a friend and she said not to worry - they would walk the dog and keep 6 ft apart.

I now have found out she “made out” with this friend.... oh yeah - borrowed my mask without asking and wore it.

So if I report getting sick in a few weeks, we know what my vector was despite my sheltering in place.

[pnwmom]

39. Or maybe it's because the highest risk people are most likely to shelter at home.

People sheltering at home still go out on a limited basis, to get groceries or medication or have a medical appt., etc.

[riversedge]

2. They had contact somehow. Now begins the hard work of finding out their contacts.

[peacebuzzard]

3. I think this is where and why contact tracing would be beneficial.

I have so wondered about this issue. So many people are doing the shelter-at-home and suiting up to go do groceries or go for a jog or walk the dog. But who is coming and going around the shelter-at-home people? Are they single with no in-house visitors at home, or do they have family/friends coming and going from the house?

[Drunken Irishman]

4. I mean, the giveaway is in his own wording...

It shows that 66% of new admissions were from people who had largely been sheltering at home. The next highest source of admissions was from nursing homes, 18%.

Largely been sheltering at home doesn't mean they've been sheltering at home.

All it takes is a step inside a grocery store and not properly washing your hands and bam, you're infected.

[bottomofthehill]

42. The great majority of people live at home

Not on nursing homes prisons or homeless so this is actually logical to me

[FrankTC]

84. The Meaningful Comparison Would Be Percentages

Agree. It's not obvious to me why the numbers should be confusing. Maybe 90% (or more) of the population lives at home, so at 66% of the hospitalizations, they are underrepresented. We need numbers like: X% of homedwellers have been hospitalized, Y% of incarcerated inmates have been hospitalized, Z% of nursing home residents have been hospitalized, etc. A comparison like that would probably show, as expected, that people hospitalized for CV19 disease come disproportionately from group living situations of one kind or another.

[meadowlander]

82. Also if "sheltering at home" means shared laundry, mailrooms, elevators, etc.

then you aren't actually "sheltering at home".

There's a huge problem in local apartment complexes with people booking apartments on Airbnb to get a break from their families and potentially exposing all the people living in the building.

[totodeinhere]

5. If sheltering from home won't prevent us from getting it then what will?

Or are we just totally helpless and at the mercy of this virus? I have underlying conditions. I had thought that sheltering at home was a good thing but now I'm wondering if it's even worth it.

[GriffenRamsey]

14. Yes it is. It slowed the spread. Staying home works.

Now to figure out the vector. If it's pure sloppiness, Well, after this last week, I can now believe that people could be that stupid.

I worry that its in pets or some domestic pest.

[Me.]

7. Deliveries

Groceries, mail... And most people sheltering do go out for essentials as it may be hard to get delivery of groceries, instacart is near impossible.

[Mike 03]

10. This worries me too, and there's been contradictory advice on these things

from very smart health professionals, including whether one needs to sanitize groceries and mail.

[Me.]

19. WE Do It

Were lucky to get Clorox wipes and everything is either washed or wiped. Mail is put in a bag and left to stay for a couple of days. Delivery boxes are left outside. And wash, wash, wash, our hands. Also, our building has been very good about going around sanitizing and people wear masks even when just going down to laundry.

[LisaM]

63. The deliveries in our building are rampant. People are ordering everything.

I worry less about the actual packages, which I can avoid, than the 50 to 100 people delivering them every day, many of whom are gig workers. I don't even generally go in by the main lobby, which has become the de facto package lobby for all three buildings in our complex. And now we have thieves trailing in with residents (or package delivery people) and rifling through the packages.

So I don't worry about the packages themselves, it's the army of people delivering them. And I do not understand why people are ordering so much. Like I said, I avoid that entry to our building (we can also go in through the parking garage) but we have to go out that way at night if we want to take a walk and there are packages everywhere.

[Me.]

66. That Can Be A Problem, So Much Access

especially when you don't know if they are taking care. And theft...what a nightmare.

Thankfully for us, our super is on it. Also, we have the same mail/ups/fedex people...all gloved and masked. There is ordering going on aside from delivery for things which still scare...tp, pt, kleenex, dishwashing liquid and so on and so forth.

[LisaM]

72. FedEx, UPS, and USPS have never been the problem.

Frankly, it's Amazon that is at least 80 percent of the problem. They weren't allowed access before because they don't guarantee the same driver and had to go to the office, but now our office is closed and there is a steady stream of people from Amazon and Door Dash and Shipt. We probably have ten times as many people here in a day than we did. We were talking about not and we aren't sure some of the drivers aren't the thieves.

[Mike 03]

8. A town near ours had its first case diagnosed just days ago.

He is a man in his sixties who has been self-quarantining since well before orders were issued because he has pre-existing health conditions. He is claiming the only time he left his house (he lives alone) was to attend medical appointments for his condition, which wasn't made public. Public health officials believe he contracted it at a medical appointment. It's a really sad case when people who have been doing everything they're supposed to do contract it.

[Maxheader]

11. Big surprise...

Corona can travel in the air..attaching on particles of pollution and moisture...In such a highly

populated area as new york...the air is probably a hell of a lot denser with the virus than here in

sc kansas...

[OhZone]

12. Murder hornets are carrying the virus!

No, seriously, I think a possible key phrase here is "not venturing much outside."

I think some people might be a little lax if they go outside rarely. The I've-been-good-so-I'll-be-less-careful-thing.

Or maybe they're careful, but not decontaminating their rare purchases.

Like, when I go to the store, I put things in the garage for a few days, except the cold stuff, that I wipe down a couple of times, before I bring them in.

Sometimes, if they are wrapped in plastic, I was them in soap and water too!

And after a few days, I decontaminate the non-cold items, or as needed.

Oh well.

[GriffenRamsey]

16. We have similar rotocols.

[gristy]

13. missing from the analysis is the % of the NY population in each of those groups

Only after that is factored in can one determine if one should be shocked or not, let along draw any conclusions.

[hay rick]

22. Good point.

If 80 or 90% of the population offers a self-description of "largely staying at home" then the 66% of new admissions for this group is a success story. I put no stock in this story.

[LisaL]

15. Staying home doesn't mean actually staying home a 100 % of the time.

Supermarkets are still open.

[Chainfire]

17. Those are disturbing numbers

It is nearly impossible to totally isolate yourself. Food has to come in, medicines have to be bought, if you have to travel for those, then you have to buy gasoline. Those are the only things that I have been doing, and those with every security measure that I can muster. It is disheartening to think that it may not be enough.

[LogicFirst]

21. Much and largely are not 100%

It appears that to be 100% safe, you must quarantine 100%. Most people cannot do that.

[OhZone]

23. Oh, I also have to add that -

a good number of the ones that get it and CLAIM that they were staying at home, may be lying.

Oh well.

[LisaL]

26. They are staying home, meaning they are not working.

Doesn't mean they are staying at home a 100% of the time.

[revmclaren]

25. Sheltering at home only works when

all those in the household follow the plan.

I just found out recently that a family member in the household was sneaking out to visit a boyfriend.



It got REAL here and the argument is ongoing and hit the fan tonight. I don't want to lose my life due to selfishness and pure immaturity. She did have a moment of actual understanding so things may be changing. I told her she needs to get tested. That's non negotiable.

I wonder if some of the stay at home cases are like mine. It only takes one secret unprotected foray to destroy a quarantine and cause infection.

[bucolic_frolic]

27. Packaging and food does worry me

as do baked goods. I do wipe things down, let them sit 3 days, but have wondered if it's better to like put them in the washing machine. Plastic packages I mean. And vegetables all at once in the sink with detergent.

[yellowdogintexas]

71. we wash all the produce. I use liquid Dial soap instead of detergent

I think it rinses off better.

Wipe down all the packages, boxes, etc. Then wipe down the table they were sitting on before they were put away

[karin_sj]

76. I did a lot of Internet searching...

... on the best way to clean fruits and vegetables. They all said not to use soap, detergent, or weak bleach solutions on them and to just run them under water, while rubbing them. I also have a table that I put all the nonperishables that I buy on and let them sit for a couple of days before I put them away.

[Steelrolled]

80. Here's what the Mayo Clinic says:

Food containers and packaging. There's no evidence of anyone contracting the virus that causes COVID-19 after touching food containers and food packaging. Many restaurants are now offering no-contact takeout and delivery to lessen the risk of transmission.

Still, if you're concerned, it's reasonable to follow general food safety guidelines. Wash your hands for at least 20 seconds with soap and water after handling takeout containers, and then transfer food to a clean dish using clean utensils. Wash your hands again before eating. After disposing of containers, clean and disinfect any surfaces that had takeout containers on them.

Grocery store produce. It's possible that the new coronavirus might linger on fruits and vegetables that have been handled by a person with the virus. Whether this could make you sick with COVID-19 isn't known.

Best practice is to follow food safety guidelines and wash all fruits and vegetables thoroughly before eating them, by running them under water. Soap isn't needed. You can scrub produce that has a rind or thick skin with a clean produce brush. Also wash your hands well with soap and water as soon as you get home from the grocery store.

Clean and disinfect any reusable bags that you carried to and from the store. Most cloth bags can go through the washer and dryer; other bags can be cleaned using a disinfectant wipe or spray.

Consider wearing a mask while grocery shopping, when it can be difficult to maintain social distance from other shoppers. In some areas or at certain stores,

More at https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/can-coronavirus-spread-food-water/faq-20485479

[BigmanPigman]

28. If you have someone living in your household your health depends on them too.

If you live alone you have better chances to stay safe and it is easier to track people as well.

I heard on CNN today that the virus is on people's shoes and they should be removed and left outside before entering a home.

[warmfeet]

29. Think about what it takes to avoid a common cold,

for the next 2 to 5 years (if we are very lucky).

This virus may be more contagious than the common cold.

Good luck everyone.

I have no idea how to accomplish this.

None.

[yaesu]

36. long before covid I always sanitized my hands whenever I exited a public place, shopping, ect...,

the last time I got a cold was in 2016 & that was from taking care of a sick nephew.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

30. With time and boredom, most people will become complacent and careless.

That's my big worry with my home and extended family. All it take is one event of carelessness with the mail, a package or our groceries, or my son venturing out and forgetting the rules and bringing that shit in the house.

This situation reminds me of when I was working construction jobs in large plants around the country. Because of industry's terrible history of accidents, it became standard practice to require regular safety training on the same 'ole stuff over and over so we would never forget......and it works!

The question here might be "just how close to home does death need to come to us?" for us to be reminded.

[littlemissmartypants]

31. Shoes. nt

[captain queeg]

45. Yeah that's what I thought. I haven't been disinfecting my shoes

But I disinfect my hands after I put them on

[JudyM]

32. It can move viably through a building's HVAC system, so hopefully he's looking at address clusters.

[appalachiablue]

37. Yes, look at HVAC systems. This is a troubling report

[LisaL]

40. I wonder if New York has so much virus that it's just in the air?

Hanging around, floating on pollution?

[Ellipsis]

41. Yes.... that what what I was thinking ... Pretty sure that could be resolved with a MERV13 filter.

[Dream Girl]

54. My thought too. How many live in apartments

[rurallib]

35. Wonder if "home" means detached house or an apartment or condo

Multiple dwelling sites like condos and apartments have different problems than detached housing.

[rocktivity]

38. Well, duh dot com

It's finally occurred to someone that the virus doesn't CARE where you are once its infected you, that it DOESN'T go on and off duty? Maybe putting the infected and contagious where they SHOULD be -- in proper quarantine care -- might work better, especially when done in conjunction with testing EVERYONE, so that the infected can be detected and properly quarantined that much sooner. Fortunately, that is not impossible:
https://yourhhrnews.com/nj-mass-covid-test


rocktivity

[Moostache]

43. DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE!!!

My wife work in nursing as a corporate compliance auditor. One of their findings is that masks without face shields are 5-6X LESS EFFECTIVE at preventing exposures.

Why?

The wearing of a face shield physically prevents people from the THOUSANDS of inadvertent touchings of their eyes, cheeks, lips and nose that happen every day. The physical barrier allows for hand washing / decon BEFORE you accidentally expose yourself by touching your face.

We all itch, get dust in our eye, sneeze or cough, have bad habits (resting your chin on your hands while reading?)...
If you want the best chance of avoiding infection, isolate.
If you want to do the best you can to avoid infection otherwise, train yourself to stop touching your face.

Face shields are a MASSIVE amount more inconvenient than surgical or cloth masks...but if you are exposed and vulnerable, just how much does inconvenient REALLY mean to you?

[Kali]

44. these activities aren't going to prevent infection, only slow the spread

so that medical facilities aren't overwhelmed. most people will end up getting it eventually. common sense prevention measures are fine, but panicking and the stress of living in fear is going to end up making people more sick. mark my words.

[SunSeeker]

46. This reflects the unique situation in New York, and this is ER intake data, not a scientific study.

Almost 30% of New Yorkers have the virus. Elsewhere it is around 1-2%. NYC has very high population density living conditions, with many people living in crowded apartments in big apartment buildings. You don't need to leave the building to be exposed to a lot of people. You just need to touch an infected elevator button or hand rail when taking out the trash or picking up a delivery at the ground floor. Yet despite this, new cases in New York are going down, whereas they're going up in the rest of the country. Also, think about how that hospital intake question is done. You've got a very ill person presenting themselves to a hospital. Even if they could coherently answer the question, who would readily admit they did not adhere to the stay at home order?

I would give more weight to an actual scientific study of a broad population rather than narrow ER intake data. In a major testing effort led by UC San Francisco in the Mission District, 2.1% of the 4,160 people tested for COVID-19 were positive. Of those who tested positive, 90% "reported being unable to work from home." https://www.sfgate.com/news/editorspicks/article/90-of-people-who-tested-positive-for-COVID-19-in-15247476.php

When you ask a question in a non-accusatory way, i.e. are you able to work from home vs. do you comply with stay at home guidelines, you are going to get a much more accurate answer. Also, it is a lot easier to confirm if someone has a non-telecommuting job than whether someone has perfectly stayed at home.

[LisaL]

47. Well, if New York is near 30% infection rate,

all they have to do is double it, and they get herd immunity (maybe).

[SunSeeker]

50. Doubling it means another 20,000 dead New Yorkers.

Do you think herd immunity done that way is worth the loss of life? And as you point out, even then, it's a "maybe."

[LisaL]

56. Seems like unless there is a vaccine soon,

infections are going to continue until we get to that 60-70%. It will just take longer, but we will still get there eventually.

[appalachiablue]

48. More on *NY LOCALE from NBC: (Can't open CNBC Link above)

NBC,

>"Preliminary data submitted by 113 hospitals over the last three days show most new admissions have mostly been staying home; they're predominantly from the downstate area (57 percent NYC, 18 percent Long Island) and people of color. Most of them are older and non-essential employees; 66 percent were admitted from their own residences.

> Of the new New York City hospitalizations, 90 percent have not been traveling by car service, personal automobile, mass transit or even walking around. If they've been working, they've been doing it from home and apparently weren't going out much, the governor said.

Cuomo said these facts reaffirm the need for precautionary measures for personal safety and public health, including wearing a mask and using hand sanitizer. They also underscore the need to protect the most vulnerable."

More, https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/subway-shutdown-begins-infection-rates-spike-outside-new-york-amid-devastating-toll-at-home/2404295/

[LisaL]

49. Not going out much obviously doesn't mean staying at home a 100 %.

My guess is most of them are getting infected when they are going out to a store, park, appointment, etc. Or they might be living with people who are going out and infecting them.

[appalachiablue]

65. Basic questions should include how much people

go out and where; whether they live alone or with others, and if so how much do others in the household go out and why. That is IF people's reporting can be trusted as fairly honest.

> I know one thing, experts better provide some more definite, accurate info. on how long the virus can last or SURFACES, of all kinds.

I've researched this topic here in the Health section and in consumer reports and much of the understanding is still fuzzy--- esp. RE mail, packaging, money, food, shoes, clothing, hair, etc.

[DallasNE]

52. possible Contributing Factor

Locally stores no longer have wipes to wipe down shopping carts. People still have to pick up supplies.

[Orrex]

55. My job requires me to enter homes and businesses throughout the week

When possible, I call en route both to advise of my ETA and to ask a few basic questions:
"Is anyone in the home sick?"
"Has anyone been sick?"
"Has anyone in the home been exposed to anyone who's sick?"
and so on.

Too often, the customer assures me that "Oh, no. We haven't gone anywhere."

Then when I arrive, I witness a parade of people, young or old, coming and going with no masks and, I presume, without concern for safe distance.

In all of these cases, the person either flat-out lied or else didn't think that "people coming and going" qualifies as "risking exposure."


Reading Cuomo's concern, I suspect that many of these mysterious deaths likely follow a similar pattern. People are either lying about their exposure, or they simply don't think it applies to their particular brand of exposure. "Well, I visited my sister, but she never goes anywhere. Except to see her friend from work, but they're totally safe."

Et cetera.

[Marthe48]

57. I hope at least some of the 66% can give details

I've only been in 1 store since 3/13, last visitor in my house was 3/14. If I get groceries delivered, I spray them or leave them out in the sun for 5 hours, wear mask and gloves and decontaminate even if I just go the atm. I wear a mask outside in the yard, unless I'm just taking bird seed out. I leave my mail in the box for at least 2 days, and leave everything that comes in the house in the dining room for up to 2 weeks. I take the outer packaging off and throw it away. I thought I was being crazy safe. I hope that the 66% can help the doctors track down what happened. And I hope they recover.

I guess we can't stop being vigilant

[appalachiablue]

67. You're doing great, I'm noting good practises...

Thanks, and stay well.

[Marthe48]

85. Thank you for saying

My goal is to vote in Nov. Makes every step of the process matter!

[IcyPeas]

59. After shopping,

With a mask and doing so with a list and getting in and out quickly... when I get home aside from washing my hands, mask, etc.

I BLOW MY NOSE

Just in case anything got thru my mask .. isn't that what our nose hair does? Catch stuff?

Makes sense to me.

Also, can we get it thru our eyes?

[LisaL]

60. Yes, wear glasses or googles.

[iemitsu]

74. Take your shoes off outside and wash the clothes you wore to the store.

And take a soapy shower when you return home.
You want your home to be virus free.

[BarbD]

61. There's so much we don't know.

I think we need to be cautious about jumping to conclusions.

[oldsoftie]

62. All that matters is number of new hospitalizations.

If they continue to slope downward then more things can open
We can only hope thats the way it goes.

[LymphocyteLover]

64. One possibility is the virus is carried through vents in apartment buildings from infected

residents and gets to other people. That's been shown to be the case in China with these viruses.

[GriffenRamsey]

68. Heat and air in NY apartment buildings?

[IronLionZion]

69. That's hospitalizations. There must be many more who are not hospitalized

because their symptoms are not as bad or they don't have any symptoms. It's minorities over 50 who are getting hospitalized. That group is likely to have underlying conditions.

[Steelrolled]

70. The chart in the article makes no sense to me.

It seems to be based on where the people were living, but does not include their life practices. Obviously most people live at home, compared to other choices like Nursing Home (18%), Assisted Living Facility (4%), Jail (<1%), Homeless(2%). I don't know what Other(8%) and Congregate(2%) mean.

Where is the breakdown between

- Living at home and largely staying inside
- Living at home, but going to work everyday

[iemitsu]

73. I worry that the food supply has been compromised.

The idea of eating meat packed by sick people is awful. What other food supplies might be tainted?
Yet we have to eat.

[Steelrolled]

77. I don't think it changes much

Cooking food puts a quick end to covid-19. After handling raw meat you should always wash your hands - this has always been the case, more so for bacteria. Now you just need to be more diligent - take the time to do it right.

I would be curious to know how long corvid-19 lasts on food. I have not see anything on it, but my guess is that it wouldn't last long. Many sites, including the mayo clinic, don't believe it to be a big danger:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/can-coronavirus-spread-food-water/faq-20485479

[iemitsu]

78. We'll see won't we.

I certainly am doing my best to make sure the food I bring into our home is clean and safe.
It's all I can do.

[Baclava]

75. "Largely sheltering at home" except to do what? Grocery shop? Well there's your problem

Still finding the most common point of infections has to be crowds grocery shopping, what everyone seems to be doing too much of, apparently

[Steelrolled]

79. "the most common point of infections has to be crowds grocery shopping"

Have you seen that stated somewhere? I'd be very interested since I have seen very little on how the virus is being spread since the lock downs.

[Baclava]

81. Just my guess, too many questions, upstate downstate? Apartment or single family home? How many ??

Too many other factors involved to make a statement that isolated people are being infected most now

But if we're looking for common denominators, then yeah, grocery shopping could be a common risk factor

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90. As I mentioned in another comment, that chart is very ambiguous

It looked to me that if I was living at home, and went out everyday to hang out with friends and play pick-up basketball, I would be considered to be at home. Same as if I was at home and never left the house and had all food delivered.

I think a more detailed report on interviews of newly infected patients would really help those of us trying to stay clean. Simple things like how many days a week did you leave the house, how many times did you have visitors, how often did you wear masks, etc. I know people who believe they are "social distancing" but still go over to friends houses to hang out.

[RobinA]

88. When There's A Contagion About,

people get sick. People get infections during surgery when everything is sterile. Staying home is not the be all and end all. I see too much assumption around that if you do everything right you won't get Corona. Nope. The best anyone can do is lessen their chances.

The first person at my work to get sick was the person who walks around ALL THE TIME, and I mean long before COVID emerged from the pangolin, with a can of Lysol and sprays everything before she touches it. Sprays the toilet seat before using it. So you can be careful and still get sick. I've always had the suspicion that people who are super careful about germs and bugs are people who tend to get sick easier to begin with and that's why they are more careful.