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demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
Thu May 7, 2020, 02:32 PM May 2020

AP Exclusive: Justice Dept dropping Flynn's criminal case

Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department on Thursday said it is dropping the criminal case against President Donald Trump’s first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, abandoning a prosecution that became a rallying cry for Trump and his supporters in attacking the FBI’s Russia investigation.

The move is a stunning reversal for one of the signature cases brought by special counsel Robert Mueller. It comes even though prosecutors for the last three years had maintained that Flynn had lied to the FBI about his conversations with the Russian ambassador in a January 2017 interview. Flynn himself admitted as much, and became a key cooperator for Mueller as he investigated ties between Russia and the 2016 Trump campaign.

In court documents being filed Thursday, the Justice Department said it is dropping the case “after a considered review of all the facts and circumstances of this case, including newly discovered and disclosed information.” The documents were obtained by The Associated Press.

The Justice Department said it had concluded that Flynn’s interview by the FBI was “untethered to, and unjustified by, the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation into Mr. Flynn” and that the interview on January 24, 2017 was “conducted without any legitimate investigative basis.”

Read more: https://apnews.com/ae1ad252bb13490db2ceffc5d17b6d92?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP




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AP Exclusive: Justice Dept dropping Flynn's criminal case (Original Post) demmiblue May 2020 OP
So, will the last person who believes we still have rule of law turn out the lights? Moostache May 2020 #1
America is dying Botany May 2020 #2
And... not fooled May 2020 #8
Lady Justice is crying. riversedge May 2020 #14
Justice? We don't need no stinking justice! Welcome to Amerika. Firestorm49 May 2020 #3
Per Jennifer Hayden: "How do you drop a case in which the defendant already [pleaded] guilty?" NT mahatmakanejeeves May 2020 #4
Ask Judge Sullivan leftieNanner May 2020 #39
That's right Bayard May 2020 #50
We shall see leftieNanner May 2020 #51
He is the one who apologized to Flynn for making that remark... former9thward May 2020 #52
+1 dalton99a May 2020 #56
How Long before he is back at the WH? montanacowboy May 2020 #5
For his Medal of Freedom? I'll go with next week. NT mahatmakanejeeves May 2020 #7
Flynn was investigated for a Logan Act violation MosheFeingold May 2020 #16
Thanks for that insight. NT mahatmakanejeeves May 2020 #60
I'm an old lawyer MosheFeingold May 2020 #63
We're just another third world country now, with unchecked corruption at the highest levels and sop May 2020 #6
Don't blame Trump. Blame the Republicans like Moscow Mitch. cstanleytech May 2020 #10
This is OUTRAGEOUS! budkin May 2020 #9
So if the FBI doesn't have a good reason to question you, it's okay to lie to them? thesquanderer May 2020 #11
Yes. That part is true FBaggins May 2020 #22
But if an FBI agent brings you in for questioning and asks you your sock color, thesquanderer May 2020 #32
Does the agent have a reason for asking you? Igel May 2020 #33
But how can we leave it up to the person being questioned to determine whether... thesquanderer May 2020 #44
Oh... that part is true enough FBaggins May 2020 #58
Yes FBaggins May 2020 #57
Essentially a no-risk pardon from Trump nt Fiendish Thingy May 2020 #12
This is just showing us that the Republicans own the government Chainfire May 2020 #13
It's now the Department of Crony Protection... lastlib May 2020 #19
Wonder when his book deal will be announced... VarryOn May 2020 #15
Speaking of book deals, where is John Bolton? BarbD May 2020 #40
Good question! Not that I was going to buy it! nt VarryOn May 2020 #42
"Now all the criminals in their coats and their ties..." lastlib May 2020 #17
Does the SDNY have anything on him and can they still pursue BigmanPigman May 2020 #18
That crook Barr now has control over SDNY. Elwood P Dowd May 2020 #20
DAMN! BigmanPigman May 2020 #23
Wow, this iS ballsy even for Trump. You can bet he leaned hard on Barr to drop.... machoneman May 2020 #21
Is Barr Roy Cohn resurrected?? He sure is filling the shoes. Evolve Dammit May 2020 #24
This is the what the effing mob in charge does. They protect each other. overleft May 2020 #30
Now it's up to the judge, the one who asked if the govt considered charging Flynn with treason. CaptainTruth May 2020 #25
Manafort & Stone next NBachers May 2020 #26
Ahmaud Arbery lynched but Flynn can lie to FBI? djacq May 2020 #27
When Judge Sullivan ignores dis-Barr, POUTS will Hassler May 2020 #28
The Court needs to accept the DOJ withdrawal NewJeffCT May 2020 #29
Why should we believe this administration will allow elections in Nov.? Paladin May 2020 #31
The States *together* manage Federal Elections, not the Executive Branch. Lock him up. May 2020 #36
In the OLD U.S.A. (nt) Paladin May 2020 #61
Dotard has no choice but to let the elections go forward Thekaspervote May 2020 #48
In the OLD U.S.A. (nt) Paladin May 2020 #62
Mr. Mueller? Time for you to stand up... Grins May 2020 #34
Amen JohnnyRingo May 2020 #49
It's good to have friends keithbvadu2 May 2020 #35
Hopefully the judge will hold hearings on this motion Gothmog May 2020 #37
I don't ever want to hear or read hotrod0808 May 2020 #38
republicans tying up lose ends prior to getting their asses booted out.EOM tiredtoo May 2020 #41
this is why the dems HAVE to win come november rdking647 May 2020 #43
How un-American rockfordfile May 2020 #45
For starters Judge could demand Barr appear in court to explain himself. Sneederbunk May 2020 #46
If we survive the Trump administration maybe we should change how US AGs get their jobs Ohioboy May 2020 #47
Can President Biden's Justice Dept reprosecute? C_U_L8R May 2020 #53
If Judge Sullivan lets Flynn withdraw guilty plea, Flynn is no longer a felon wishstar May 2020 #55
That's a tough one FBaggins May 2020 #59
Flynn came within a hair of committing treason rasputin1952 May 2020 #54

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
1. So, will the last person who believes we still have rule of law turn out the lights?
Thu May 7, 2020, 02:38 PM
May 2020

This is a shamocracy now and has been for a long time.

I just have nothing left...it is beyond pathetic and a truly sad time for the planet and humanity.

Botany

(70,489 posts)
2. America is dying
Thu May 7, 2020, 02:40 PM
May 2020

And Barr/Trump/Fox along with others are killing it in so many ways.

God Damn it Flynn was in on rigging our elections with Putin.

Bayard

(22,057 posts)
50. That's right
Thu May 7, 2020, 06:27 PM
May 2020

So, I wonder how that would work if Sullivan still wants to make an example of him? Isn't he the one that called Flynn a traitor, among other things?

former9thward

(31,974 posts)
52. He is the one who apologized to Flynn for making that remark...
Thu May 7, 2020, 06:35 PM
May 2020
The judge later backtracked, as a prosecutor said Flynn stopped acting as a foreign agent in mid-November 2016. Sullivan apologized for his remarks, saying he “felt terrible,” reported CBS News correspondent Steven Portnoy.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/arguably-you-sold-your-country-out-judge-tells-former-trump-adviser-flynn-2018-12-18

montanacowboy

(6,082 posts)
5. How Long before he is back at the WH?
Thu May 7, 2020, 02:44 PM
May 2020

nothing like warmed over Russian spies back at Pennsylvania Ave.

Jesus H Christ will it never end? This country is so far deep in shit it will never dig itself out.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
16. Flynn was investigated for a Logan Act violation
Thu May 7, 2020, 03:35 PM
May 2020

Not spying.

Specifically, they investigated whether he was negotiating with the Russians during the transition period (which would be his eventual job) prior to having authority to so do (as he was not yet a governmental official).

In the course of the investigation, it appears certain people in the FBI (who are Republicans, mind you) attempted to bait him into a lie -- which they succeeded in doing.

The feds aren't supposed to bait you into a crime. That's entrapment.

Hard cases make bad law. As much as I despise Flynn, letting this go is proper under the circumstances.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
63. I'm an old lawyer
Mon May 11, 2020, 11:43 AM
May 2020

Very old. So old I get pissed when there is federal overreach. Bit of an idealist, I suppose.

This was dirty pool, but it's not our problem. People forget this was all red-on-red fire. Comey (who screwed Hillary, remember), Mueheller, Flynn, etc. are all Republicans.

There was a massive fight between the more-sane Republicans (e.g., Comey) and the insane Trump people.

It was dirty as Hell.

Not. Our. Problem. Except that they damaged the very fabric of our government.

Just because the Bush wing of the Republicans were trying to take out the Trump wing of Republicans does not make the Bush wing our buddies. Screw them, too.

Flynn is far from an innocent man. But, on this, he was getting screwed over.

sop

(10,154 posts)
6. We're just another third world country now, with unchecked corruption at the highest levels and
Thu May 7, 2020, 02:45 PM
May 2020

officials acting with complete impunity. Thanks Trump!

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
11. So if the FBI doesn't have a good reason to question you, it's okay to lie to them?
Thu May 7, 2020, 03:06 PM
May 2020

That could be an interesting precedent.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
22. Yes. That part is true
Thu May 7, 2020, 03:43 PM
May 2020

If you lie about the color of socks that you're wearing and just happen to be talking to an FBI agent... it isn't a crime.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
32. But if an FBI agent brings you in for questioning and asks you your sock color,
Thu May 7, 2020, 04:25 PM
May 2020

can you lie simply on the basis that he has no clearly legitimate reason to be asking you?

Igel

(35,296 posts)
33. Does the agent have a reason for asking you?
Thu May 7, 2020, 04:36 PM
May 2020

Besides criticizing your choice in socks?

In other words, an agent sees the woman she thinks her husband's sleeping with talking to a suspect in a fraud case. The agent brings the woman in for questioning. While asking what her connection to the suspected fraudster is, the agent asks, "Are you sleeping with my husband?"--a question entirely unrelated to the case. The woman says "no", and a month later when there's good evidence that they *are* having an affair the agent files charges against the woman for lying about the affair.

Seems like a recipe for corruption and bias.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
44. But how can we leave it up to the person being questioned to determine whether...
Thu May 7, 2020, 05:05 PM
May 2020

...a question is relevant or okay to lie about? Rather than lie, maybe a better response would be to request that you have a lawyer present for the questioning, and let the lawyer object if need be, rather than taking it upon yourself to lie because you think it shouldn't matter.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
58. Oh... that part is true enough
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:04 AM
May 2020

HE doesn't get to decide which questions he has to answer truthfully. He can always just shut up if there's a question that he doesn't want to answer.

But that isn't what is claimed in this case.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
57. Yes
Thu May 7, 2020, 08:58 PM
May 2020

First... the FBI does not have the authority to just decide they want to the investigate you.

But yes... if they decide to ask you a question that is entirely unrelated to a well-predicated investigation... you could lie to them.

The relevant question is whether or not the questioning had an appropriate basis (because the lie is certainly related the topic they were there to ask about). IF the claim is correct that they were there to entrap him and had only a Logan Act theory to justify their questioning... then dropping the case is appropriate. But I’m not convinced that’s all they had.

Chainfire

(17,528 posts)
13. This is just showing us that the Republicans own the government
Thu May 7, 2020, 03:24 PM
May 2020

and are uninhibited in exercising their power. It is wrong to call it the Justice department any more.

lastlib

(23,208 posts)
19. It's now the Department of Crony Protection...
Thu May 7, 2020, 03:37 PM
May 2020
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VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
15. Wonder when his book deal will be announced...
Thu May 7, 2020, 03:34 PM
May 2020

you know there'll be one. Every scoundrel writes one!

lastlib

(23,208 posts)
17. "Now all the criminals in their coats and their ties..."
Thu May 7, 2020, 03:35 PM
May 2020

"...are free to drink martinis and watch the sun rise...."

--Bob Dylan, The Story of Hurricane

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
20. That crook Barr now has control over SDNY.
Thu May 7, 2020, 03:40 PM
May 2020

The only thing they will pursue is stuff that might hurt Trump.

machoneman

(4,006 posts)
21. Wow, this iS ballsy even for Trump. You can bet he leaned hard on Barr to drop....
Thu May 7, 2020, 03:41 PM
May 2020

..the charges so he can paint every aspect of the Russia investigation as invalid and crow about this as a re-election strategy. Now watch as Trumpy brings him back into the WH orbit darned quick and uses him as a campaign prop.

New President Biden MUST:

-reinstate the charges against Flynn immediately upon taking office.
-launch a criminal investigation into Barr's handling of this, the Russia probe and the Ukraine quid pro quo call.
-ask Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Schumer to also launch parallel House/Senate investigations of these issues as well.
-ask the new Attorney General to empanel at least 3 grand juries to re-launch all aspects of the Mueller investigations against Trump and his cronies.

Get those evil bastards jail! Stat!

CaptainTruth

(6,586 posts)
25. Now it's up to the judge, the one who asked if the govt considered charging Flynn with treason.
Thu May 7, 2020, 03:52 PM
May 2020


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Regarding Barr’s Flynn antics, the only person that can vacate the plea agreement - a Court order - is Judge Emmet Sullivan. Let’s calm down and see what Judge Sullivan does. Flynn’s not out of the woods yet.



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The only person I care about having anything to say about this is Judge Emmet Sullivan. He’s the only ones who has the power to vacate his order approving the plea agreement.

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
31. Why should we believe this administration will allow elections in Nov.?
Thu May 7, 2020, 04:11 PM
May 2020

It's increasingly obvious that trump will do ANYTHING to stay in power, and that Barr will do ANYTHING to make it happen---U.S. Constitution be damned.

And we can't even have public demonstrations now, thanks to the trump-enabled plague. Whence cometh our deliverance?

Lock him up.

(6,925 posts)
36. The States *together* manage Federal Elections, not the Executive Branch.
Thu May 7, 2020, 04:42 PM
May 2020

The mandated Electors (who screwd up last time, mind you) elect the Pres./VP.

Thekaspervote

(32,754 posts)
48. Dotard has no choice but to let the elections go forward
Thu May 7, 2020, 05:42 PM
May 2020

The Constitution clearly states that his 4 yr term is up on 1/20/2021 at noon, including pence boy. the speaker of the house becomes the the interim president

Grins

(7,211 posts)
34. Mr. Mueller? Time for you to stand up...
Thu May 7, 2020, 04:37 PM
May 2020

Skip the niceties about the process and the role of Congress. We are now well beyond that point.

JohnnyRingo

(18,624 posts)
49. Amen
Thu May 7, 2020, 05:54 PM
May 2020

He's known as one of the bravest and most ethical justice minded officers. What's he doing, binging on Netflix?

hotrod0808

(323 posts)
38. I don't ever want to hear or read
Thu May 7, 2020, 04:49 PM
May 2020

the words of one single fucking Republican about the rule of law again. They abdicated their responsibilities to the rule of law forever. It is up to us regular citizens to call them out on every platform, every media opportunity, and in public for the rest of their miserable fucking lives. They should never be able to enjoy a walk or a meal in public again. Fuck these assholes forever.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
43. this is why the dems HAVE to win come november
Thu May 7, 2020, 05:00 PM
May 2020

toss out every trump lackey in the DOJ
and then prosecute flynn and all the trump cronies

lock each and everyone of them up for life,starting with Barr

Ohioboy

(3,240 posts)
47. If we survive the Trump administration maybe we should change how US AGs get their jobs
Thu May 7, 2020, 05:33 PM
May 2020

For example, allowing the POTUS to appoint the Attorney General can lead to a lawless administration. The proof is Trump. Under this sham of a presidency, the AG serves as a president's personal "fixer", not what the founders would have wanted.

C_U_L8R

(44,997 posts)
53. Can President Biden's Justice Dept reprosecute?
Thu May 7, 2020, 07:15 PM
May 2020

Tried googling and it seemed there have been cases where the prosecutors dropped a case, only to retry it later. Not a legal person here, just curious about Barr dropping charges. Why not just go for the pardon?

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
55. If Judge Sullivan lets Flynn withdraw guilty plea, Flynn is no longer a felon
Thu May 7, 2020, 08:40 PM
May 2020

but if Trump pardoned him while guilty plea still stands, Flynn would remain technically a criminal felon with legal ramifications and stigma remaining.

One of justifications for a judge to not allow someone to withdraw their guilty plea is that it could be disadvantageous if they would therefore face a trial and longer sentence. Since DOJ withdrew charges they also removed an excuse of the judge to not allow the guilty plea to be withdraw in hopes that judge would feel compelled to allow Flynn to withdraw plea.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
59. That's a tough one
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:13 AM
May 2020

There's no double jeopardy... so they could try (assuming the judge doesn't dismiss the case with prejudice) but they didn't just drop the case. DOJ formally "admitted" that they didn't have a justifiable predicate for the investigation in the first place AND Flynn now has Brady evidence showing that the FBI had decided to close the investigation well before the interview took place.

Without a guilty plea (which a new DOJ couldn't recreate), I don't see how they could succeed.

rasputin1952

(83,130 posts)
54. Flynn came within a hair of committing treason
Thu May 7, 2020, 08:06 PM
May 2020

Every military individual knows the Code of Military Conduct. "aiding and abetting" an enemy is the only specific for treason; this is far deeper than that.

Every E-1up to 0-10 knows that discussing classified material, giving documents or statements is not just bad, it puts your friends, and everyone else in jeopardy.

Flynn pleaded guilty twice, working for Turkey, and lied to the FBI.

Barr has no shame, no dignity and no integrity.

The best recourse now, if possible, the to have the DOD or AF to produce charges and have a Court Martial.

This bastard is going to collect retirement, free medical care and a host of other privileges that even a shoplifter could not receive.

Barr...Keep it simple stupid: He pleaded guilty, therefore I would assess he IS guilty.

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