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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
Thu May 7, 2020, 11:22 PM May 2020

Armed black citizens escort Michigan lawmaker to capitol after volatile rightwing protest

Source: The Guardian

A black lawmaker came to Michigan's capitol with an escort of armed black citizens on Wednesday, days after white protesters with guns staged a volatile protest inside the state house, comparing the Democratic governor's public health orders to "tyranny".

The state representative Sarah Anthony, 36, said she wanted to highlight what she saw as the failure of the Michigan capitol police to provide legislators with adequate security during the protest, which saw demonstrators with rifles standing in the legislative chamber above lawmakers...

...One of Anthony's constituents, a black firefighter, organized Wednesday's capitol escort. While early reports focused on three black men with large rifles escorting Anthony, there were six participants, including two women, and some of them were armed with handguns, Lynn said. Five of the participants are black and one is Hispanic. Michael Lynn Jr, a Lansing resident, said he was frustrated to see his legislator being violently intimidated in her workplace. He said the escort was the first time he had ever chosen to openly carry his AR-15 rifle.

Lynn said he did not want to see a black woman who had been elevated to political office feeling threatened "because of the white supremacists in the yard" and wanted "to make sure that would never happen again"...

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/07/michigan-lawmaker-armed-escort-rightwing-protest



Now, *that's* more like it!

The Deacons for Defense and Justice set the original example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacons_for_Defense_and_Justice

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?azview_all&address118x331645

Remembering Robert Hicks and the Deacons of Defense

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/25/us/25hicks.html?_r1&scp1&sqrobert%20hicks&stcse

Robert Hicks, Leader in Armed Rights Group, Dies at 81

By Douglas Martin

April 24, 2010

Someone had called to say the Ku Klux Klan was coming to bomb Robert Hicks's house. The police said there was nothing they could do. It was the night of Feb. 1, 1965, in Bogalusa, La.

The Klan was furious that Mr. Hicks, a black paper mill worker, was putting up two white civil rights workers in his home. It was just six months after three young civil rights workers had been murdered in Philadelphia, Miss.

Mr. Hicks and his wife, Valeria, made some phone calls. They found neighbors to take in their children, and they reached out to friends for protection. Soon, armed black men materialized. Nothing happened.

Less than three weeks later, the leaders of a secretive, paramilitary organization of blacks called the Deacons for Defense and Justice visited Bogalusa. It had been formed in Jonesboro, La., in 1964 mainly to protect unarmed civil rights demonstrators from the Klan. After listening to the Deacons, Mr. Hicks took the lead in forming a Bogalusa chapter, recruiting many of the men who had gone to his house to protect his family and guests...



The RW will not disarm, and as we've seen, the police will not disarm them.

Kudos to these citizens for following in the path of the Deacons and protecting their rights
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Armed black citizens escort Michigan lawmaker to capitol after volatile rightwing protest (Original Post) friendly_iconoclast May 2020 OP
Good. Glad to hear not everyone is taking Kluxer horseshit lying down 47of74 May 2020 #1
I hate to see this, but it probably had to happen, to check the bullying Right Wing. Midnight Writer May 2020 #2
The fact that we are physically here already does not bode well for the outcome. Arthur_Frain May 2020 #60
This will not end well. sop May 2020 #3
I wonder what the chickenhawks in *this* recent thread will have to say about this? friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #4
Not if they keep threatening our African-American Lawmakers.... LovingA2andMI May 2020 #23
A mistake will get made. Gunfire will break out and someone will die. roamer65 May 2020 #26
Tell Them! LovingA2andMI May 2020 #28
They can't be arrested until open carry at the MI capitol is outlawed- as it should be... friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #31
This is why I want the National Guard in there. roamer65 May 2020 #5
The NG can't do anything, as carrying guns openly there isn't illegal- yet friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #6
A simple declaration of martial law on the grounds would do nicely. roamer65 May 2020 #7
You really want your cultural war to be an actual war, don't you? friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #10
We know: you'd like them disarmed by force and arrested for a non-crime friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #8
Absolutely I want them arrested. roamer65 May 2020 #9
For "contempt of roamer65's sensibilities", no doubt friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #11
What about the civil rights of those who are intimidated by these actions? roamer65 May 2020 #13
A 'right' that does not exist either in law or jurisprudence friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #19
As a Michigan Resident.... LovingA2andMI May 2020 #25
Again, until the law is changed things like this will happen. friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #33
Exactly!!! LovingA2andMI May 2020 #45
The subject of gun control seems to bring forth the inner Bull Connor in some people. friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #15
Another definition: SergeStorms May 2020 #16
Rep. Anthony and her escorts certainly walked the walk... friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #22
Gallus gallus domesticus x one of the Accipitrinae family, or a member of the Buteo genus. friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #12
Are you a MI resident? roamer65 May 2020 #14
Are you Bull Connor? Civil rights violations are civil rights violations. friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #17
Then mind your own business. roamer65 May 2020 #18
Why not just call me an "outside agitator" and be done with it? friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #21
"Then mind your own business. Stay out of our affairs." friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #24
Arrest them for WHAT????? dware May 2020 #30
As we see, keyboard commandos and chickenhawks are not exclusively RW friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #34
As has been proven in the last few days by some of the posts here on DU. dware May 2020 #36
Please stay, DU needs people that don't easily fit into easy categories... friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #37
Thank you for the kind words, dware May 2020 #38
You too! friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #39
Good for them! Union Yank May 2020 #20
Exactly!!! LovingA2andMI May 2020 #27
I'm glad to see it! Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #29
They're already morally lost, only fear for their own safety will stop the RW friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #35
This is just the world we live in now dustyscamp May 2020 #32
I hate to see anyone toting guns around government offices Warpy May 2020 #40
""Being a black and brown female Democrat in the capitol now is a dangerous job," Lynn said. "This i riversedge May 2020 #41
So they exercised their rights. Good. oldsoftie May 2020 #42
Another stunt with guns. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2020 #43
Armed citizens keithbvadu2 May 2020 #44
The inherent racism is an acceptable price sarisataka May 2020 #46
Good, the 2nd amendment applies to all, not just the right Devil Child May 2020 #47
Black people carrying guns. Aristus May 2020 #48
This is great Traildogbob May 2020 #53
They're not original with me, but thank you. Aristus May 2020 #54
I guess this is another way Covid-19 is going to kill people Bayard May 2020 #49
This will most certainly end well. HotTeaBag May 2020 #50
As a white guy DFW May 2020 #51
+1 dalton99a May 2020 #52
That's my opinion as well ibegurpard May 2020 #56
Done! discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2020 #61
Good Dandelyon May 2020 #55
Unreal, this is the country we live in CJustice May 2020 #57
If they pop a couple of white joggers along the way, will they still be out of jail in August? 11 Bravo May 2020 #58
In the good old days, this thread would have been instantly turfed to the Gungeon. 11 Bravo May 2020 #59

Midnight Writer

(21,753 posts)
2. I hate to see this, but it probably had to happen, to check the bullying Right Wing.
Thu May 7, 2020, 11:43 PM
May 2020

I just hope this defuses rather than escalates.

But sometimes somebody has to look the bully in the face.

Guns should be prohibited at the Capitol, just like in a County Courthouse.

Maybe the sight of this group will make even a few GOP politicians rethink this policy.

Arthur_Frain

(1,849 posts)
60. The fact that we are physically here already does not bode well for the outcome.
Fri May 8, 2020, 03:38 PM
May 2020

There are too many crazies just itching to set something off. We are going to step across that line one day soon. If we are lucky, saner heads will prevail, and we can step back, and maybe talk about how looking for plan B is pretty damned important.

Problem is, I haven’t seen very many sane heads on their side, and the ones I’ve seen, are generally being shouted down or ostracized.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
26. A mistake will get made. Gunfire will break out and someone will die.
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:50 AM
May 2020

Then there will be all the “thoughts and prayers”.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
28. Tell Them!
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:52 AM
May 2020

Or tell the Capitol Police that should have arrested them. The African-American Lawmakers must PROTECT THEMSELVES if the Capitol Police WON'T!

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
5. This is why I want the National Guard in there.
Thu May 7, 2020, 11:57 PM
May 2020

The MI National Guard should be providing escorts and security for ALL state employees in that building.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
6. The NG can't do anything, as carrying guns openly there isn't illegal- yet
Thu May 7, 2020, 11:58 PM
May 2020

God knows it ought to be, though...

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
7. A simple declaration of martial law on the grounds would do nicely.
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:00 AM
May 2020

Gov Romney used the NG in the 1967 Detroit riots, they can be used now.

Lyndon Johnson even violated the Posse Comitatus Act by sending in Airborne troops.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
10. You really want your cultural war to be an actual war, don't you?
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:14 AM
May 2020

And let me guess: You, yourself, are not in the NG.

I seem to hear the cry of some strange bird, likely a cross between

Gallus gallus domesticus, and one of the Accipitrinae family, or a member of the Buteo genus...

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
8. We know: you'd like them disarmed by force and arrested for a non-crime
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:05 AM
May 2020

You've already said so:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213372481#post111

They should have been arrested. If they would have tried to use their weapons, then the police should have used the force required suppress the situation.

I don’t want blood spilled in our capitol building unless it is absolutely necessary.


Are you Lord Farquaad?

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
9. Absolutely I want them arrested.
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:06 AM
May 2020

I don’t deny it one bit.

Arrest them and let the courts and lawyers settle it out.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
11. For "contempt of roamer65's sensibilities", no doubt
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:22 AM
May 2020

You won't be getting arrested, you won't be putting yourself in harms' way to do the arresting, you won't be paying the lawyers, and (unless your are a citizen of Michigan) you won't be paying for the massive legal settlement your proposed arrestees
will be getting for the massive civil rights violations you propose be committed on them.

IOW,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(politics)

Chickenhawk (chicken hawk or chicken-hawk) is a political term used in the United States to describe a person who strongly supports war or other military action (i.e., a war hawk), yet who actively avoids or avoided military service when of age.[1] Generally, the implication is that chickenhawks lack the moral character to participate in war themselves, preferring to ask others to support, fight, and perhaps die in an armed conflict..

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
13. What about the civil rights of those who are intimidated by these actions?
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:30 AM
May 2020

I am a MI resident and have asked my governor to use the MI Guard.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
19. A 'right' that does not exist either in law or jurisprudence
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:38 AM
May 2020

And no, your finer sentiments do not count in case law

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
25. As a Michigan Resident....
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:49 AM
May 2020

Our African-American lawmakers have a right to SELF-DEFENSE from Racists and the Klan by Any Means Necessary.

The Capitol Police need to DO THEIR JOB!

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
33. Again, until the law is changed things like this will happen.
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:59 AM
May 2020

Let's see if the Pubbies love of guns overcomes their discomfort at the sight of armed brown people

SergeStorms

(19,199 posts)
16. Another definition:
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:33 AM
May 2020

Chickenshit - adjective
English Language Learners Definition of chickenshit

US slang, offensive : weak and cowardly, as in someone who'll allow someone else to walk all over him.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
12. Gallus gallus domesticus x one of the Accipitrinae family, or a member of the Buteo genus.
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:29 AM
May 2020

Look it up...

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
21. Why not just call me an "outside agitator" and be done with it?
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:45 AM
May 2020

It'll fit in with the rest of the "LW version of Bull Connor" schtick...

dware

(12,369 posts)
30. Arrest them for WHAT?????
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:56 AM
May 2020

For not violating a law?

You really seem to be pushing for a confrontation, but what the hell, it won't be you on the front lines.

dware

(12,369 posts)
36. As has been proven in the last few days by some of the posts here on DU.
Fri May 8, 2020, 01:06 AM
May 2020

I used to love DU when it was first started, and then I had to take a leave of absence due to life problems, I come back and it's just all about hate this, hate that, etc.

I don't think I'm going to hang around much longer if this crap keeps up.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
37. Please stay, DU needs people that don't easily fit into easy categories...
Fri May 8, 2020, 01:09 AM
May 2020

...and who have different perspectives.

dware

(12,369 posts)
38. Thank you for the kind words,
Fri May 8, 2020, 01:18 AM
May 2020

but at my age, I really don't need the aggravation, I'm hoping that after the elections, if the Mango Menace loses, then things will calm down, so I'll stick around at least until then.

You have a great night.

Union Yank

(13 posts)
20. Good for them!
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:41 AM
May 2020

The 60's are long gone, Black and Hispanic folks are NOT afraid of white Nazis with guns anymore ...

Glad to see they are practicing their 2nd Amendment rights...

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
29. I'm glad to see it!
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:56 AM
May 2020

On the other hand, I hope it doesn't elevate racist attitudes even more among the deplorables... like the Democrats are all African Americans in their pea brains.

I had a former apartment neighbor from Hell (noisy and self-centered) who told me one day that he left a free music concert early because of "too many Democrats" there. (That was before Obama was President, by the way.) I asked him how he knew that. Were they wearing political shirts or something? He answered, looking at me like I was clueless, "Black people." I was shocked and ready to muster a reply, but then he quickly drove away somewhere. I was so happy when he later got kicked out (for not paying rent).

dustyscamp

(2,224 posts)
32. This is just the world we live in now
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:58 AM
May 2020

The 2nd Amendment can be a tool for good. I think it's time we use it more to protect people who can't protect themselves.

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
40. I hate to see anyone toting guns around government offices
Fri May 8, 2020, 01:23 AM
May 2020

which means everything from the offices in DC to the local post office.

Something needs to be done about this and quickly. Armed standoffs shouldn't be happening that threaten any elected official, even the crooks.

However, this is the kind of thing that might wake people up to the fact that nobody should be pulling this shit, as in "Black people with guns? Oh, heavens to Betsy, we'd better do something!"

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
41. ""Being a black and brown female Democrat in the capitol now is a dangerous job," Lynn said. "This i
Fri May 8, 2020, 04:35 AM
May 2020

So horrible to see this.


““Being a black and brown female Democrat in the capitol now is a dangerous job,” Lynn said. “This is an environment that Donald Trump has nurtured.”” https://gu.com/p/dz8v4/stw

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
42. So they exercised their rights. Good.
Fri May 8, 2020, 07:39 AM
May 2020

Its ridiculous that these idiots protesting the shutdown think coming armed had ANYTHING to do with it. It would be like carrying Pro life signs; whats one got to do with the other?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,339 posts)
43. Another stunt with guns.
Fri May 8, 2020, 07:58 AM
May 2020

Oh well, nobody got shot. An armed, peaceful demonstration, just like the last one.

Maybe the Reptilian Legislature will pass a bill to prohibit guns on State Capitol grounds and buildings. They wouldn't do that if it were only white people carrying.

sarisataka

(18,632 posts)
46. The inherent racism is an acceptable price
Fri May 8, 2020, 10:22 AM
May 2020

If leads leads to control.

At least that is the attitude of some (or many?)

Aristus

(66,328 posts)
48. Black people carrying guns.
Fri May 8, 2020, 11:25 AM
May 2020

The Gravy Seals and the Meal Team Six types are gonna shit!

They're convinced that no one is allowed to carry weapons except themselves...

Traildogbob

(8,728 posts)
53. This is great
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:10 PM
May 2020

A true poet. I love your special forces teams. Special Needs Forces. Not promoting violence here but as a 12 year Navy Special Forces Vet, now retired educator, let one of these new pricks try to rio off mine or my daughter’s mask as Hannity is promoting. No guns needed, but the furniture will be rearranged. Like Liam, I have a special set of skills. Do not threaten me or my daughter. Bravo to the armed black men protecting elected black leaders. About time, no more Georgia lynchings in daylight.

Aristus

(66,328 posts)
54. They're not original with me, but thank you.
Fri May 8, 2020, 12:13 PM
May 2020

I'm perfectly happy if those names get spread around a bit.



Bayard

(22,062 posts)
49. I guess this is another way Covid-19 is going to kill people
Fri May 8, 2020, 11:29 AM
May 2020

Although, trump has been promoting armed confrontation from Day 1.

The law allows peaceful demonstrations. Noisy idiots with guns do not qualify.

DFW

(54,369 posts)
51. As a white guy
Fri May 8, 2020, 11:58 AM
May 2020

I would personally love to see the expressions on these mostly overweight right-wing couch-hugging slobs when confronted by an equally well-armed, disciplined force of uniformly dressed blacks, preferably in superior number, accompanying some of the lawmakers that these Trumpanzees intended to intimidate. A quick, megaphoned "gentlemen, we are here to make sure our representative makes it to and from her job safely, and without the slightest harassment. Any attempt to impede that will result in an immediate standing of our ground on our part, and any threat of lethal force will be met with an immediate and appropriate amount of self-defense. Are we clear?" They should NOT wait for an answer, just accompany their rep on inside.

No one needs to start shooting, but the message of "not with US, you don't" has to be made clear, because cowards are only emboldened if never confronted. If the law will not de-escalate this, then an equal show of force must. Then they can go back to holding their neo-Nazi rallies in their log cabins in the woods of the Upper Peninsula on alternate weekends, or else leave their guns at home like civilized citizens.

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