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Tue May 12, 2020, 06:11 AM

Trump is getting trounced among a crucial constituency: The haters

Source: Politico

President Donald Trump is losing a critical constituency: voters who see two choices on the ballot ó and hate them both.

Unlike in 2016, when a large group of voters who disliked both Trump and Hillary Clinton broke sharply for Trump, the opposite is happening now, according to public polling and private surveys conducted by Republicans and Democrats alike.

It's a significant and often underappreciated group of voters. Of the nearly 20 percent of voters who disliked both Clinton and Trump in 2016, Trump outperformed Clinton by about 17 percentage points, according to exit polls.

Four years later, that same group ó including a mix of Bernie Sanders supporters, other Democrats, disaffected Republicans and independents ó strongly prefers Biden, the polling shows. The former vice president leads Trump by more than 40 percentage points among that group, which accounts for nearly a quarter of registered voters, according to a Monmouth University poll last week.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/12/donald-trump-haters-joe-biden-clinton-244629

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Reply Trump is getting trounced among a crucial constituency: The haters (Original post)
brooklynite May 2020 OP
UCmeNdc May 2020 #1
lastlib May 2020 #17
roamer65 May 2020 #25
Eyeball_Kid May 2020 #26
oldsoftie May 2020 #2
lagomorph777 May 2020 #30
still_one May 2020 #3
brooklynite May 2020 #4
onlyadream May 2020 #15
still_one May 2020 #19
Lucky Luciano May 2020 #12
still_one May 2020 #13
lonely bird May 2020 #18
still_one May 2020 #20
Lock him up. May 2020 #22
Southerntier May 2020 #27
Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #28
bucolic_frolic May 2020 #5
Mike 03 May 2020 #6
IronLionZion May 2020 #7
Lock him up. May 2020 #14
IronLionZion May 2020 #21
Lock him up. May 2020 #24
McCamy Taylor May 2020 #8
no_hypocrisy May 2020 #9
DeminPennswoods May 2020 #10
melm00se May 2020 #11
Post removed May 2020 #16
Aristus May 2020 #23
Sunlei May 2020 #29
lanlady May 2020 #31
Progressive dog May 2020 #32
Skittles May 2020 #33

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 06:15 AM

1. The United States will not survive another four years of Trump. Trump is incompetent! VOTE BIDEN!

Vote Biden 2020!

Vote the GOP out of both the house and senate!

Vote!!!!

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #1)

Tue May 12, 2020, 08:24 AM

17. And BRING YOUR FRIENDS!!

eom

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #1)

Tue May 12, 2020, 08:54 AM

25. THIS.

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #1)

Tue May 12, 2020, 08:57 AM

26. Based upon what we know about Trumpy-boy, calling him incompetent is nearly a compliment. n/t

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 06:16 AM

2. People ignored that factor in '16 & we got trump because of it.

Hell, you could even get in trouble here for bringing it up back then

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #2)

Tue May 12, 2020, 12:13 PM

30. So... we need to appeal to the haters?

Let's appeal to common sense and survival. The haters will have to make their own choices.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 06:36 AM

3. According to exit polls. HILLARY WON THE POPULAR VOTE BY ABOUT 3 MILLION

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Response to still_one (Reply #3)

Tue May 12, 2020, 06:43 AM

4. Yes, but not the point...

There were people in 2016 who didn't "like" either candidate. The same will apply today.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Tue May 12, 2020, 08:14 AM

15. Right, the OP is saying

that THAT particular group (who hated both candidates) went for Trump. Now that group is going for Biden. Good news!

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Response to onlyadream (Reply #15)

Tue May 12, 2020, 08:29 AM

19. I agree, good news, but the use of the term "hate", in the Politico article, I consider hyperbole

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Response to still_one (Reply #3)

Tue May 12, 2020, 08:01 AM

12. Let me know when the popular vote determines the winner.

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Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #12)

Tue May 12, 2020, 08:12 AM

13. That isn't what the OP was about

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Response to still_one (Reply #13)

Tue May 12, 2020, 08:24 AM

18. I get that.

Here is the problem:

If those people who have shifted are not consolidated in the states where we need them to be then it wonít matter. Trump could lose the popular vote even worse but if those haters who now seem to support Biden arenít where they will make a difference in the electoral college then Trump would still win.

It is great that the group of people that hated Hillary so much and contributed to us having Trump in the first place now have seen the fruits of their stupidity.

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Response to lonely bird (Reply #18)

Tue May 12, 2020, 08:31 AM

20. For that point it will be the usual 5 swing states that determine the winner

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Response to lonely bird (Reply #18)

Tue May 12, 2020, 08:37 AM

22. For now, the electoral map looks good enough.

They seem to confirm the haters are at the right locations.

https://electoral-vote.com/

This is the DU member formerly known as Lock him up..

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Response to Lock him up. (Reply #22)

Tue May 12, 2020, 09:10 AM

27. Seems legit

First post . OH and TX are red here so thatís right for this purpose, Iím just not sure those should not be solid red. I heard a pundit say somewhere that if TX went blue for the general, then the Democrats would Also be winning 48 states. That was before COVID so...

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Response to still_one (Reply #3)

Tue May 12, 2020, 09:55 AM

28. Wrong. Not exit polls. She won by VOTES COUNTED. tRump stole the Electoral College. nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 06:59 AM

5. Biden is the real deal

A career politician with generally moderate to liberal reasoned positions who has not really alienated large groups of voters. I've not followed his career but being in the Philly media market all I can remember is Biden was always there, his press releases made sense, he stirred not a whole lot of controvery other than Supreme Court nominee hearings. He made government work, and he worked at that job. Perhaps being from a small state he didn't have to campaign outlandisly and move large groups of people. He wasn't crusading for radical ideas of large donors. Biden makes people feel comfortable.

Trump's taken two prominent swings at him to try to tarnish his character. Trump's motives are known, transparent, and you know there will be more. But the more Trump tries, the more Biden becomes inoculated. So I'm thinking these are the reasons voters are breaking against Trump, not to mention Trump's corruption and incompetence.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 07:15 AM

6. They recognize that Biden will never embarrass himself or humiliate our country.

Also, how many of them know somebody who has contracted the coronavirus while Trump stands up in front of this country day after day not giving a shit.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 07:26 AM

7. A crisis can remind people of what is important

and maybe shaking things up with a reality tv show personality isn't working out

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #7)

Tue May 12, 2020, 08:13 AM

14. They must remember him claiming "I alone can fix it."

And they clearly see it was utter bullcrap now.

Soon over 100K unnecessary deaths the Obama/Biden pandemic-response team would have prevented. 33m unemployed now and a deficit their grandchildren won't see the end of, and soon a famine depression like nobody have ever seen before.

"I, alone, can fix it." RRRRRRRight...
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Response to Lock him up. (Reply #14)

Tue May 12, 2020, 08:33 AM

21. Great username!

and I agree with your points

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #21)

Tue May 12, 2020, 08:42 AM

24. Thank you! :) THIS Time the felons MUST be held accountable for

ALL their crimes (with clear evidence) or...

they will be back later and even worse

Restore The Rule Of Law!!
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 07:29 AM

8. Go Joe!

Can I get this on a bumpersticker?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 07:53 AM

9. Trump losing the misanthrope vote.

Love the irony.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 07:55 AM

10. Forget who it was, maybe Fuglesang,

but he was on MSNBC talking about focus groups with these voters. They want change, don't see change and keep voting for candidates they think will bring change regardless of party. Thus the Obama-Trump voter that we read and hear so much about.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 07:59 AM

11. My brother

fits into that category.

He hated both Trump and Clinton. He marked his ballot as a write in with the comment "None of the above - please go back and try again". He is unsure how he is going to vote this year - either vote for Biden or so what he did in 2016.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 08:38 AM

23. The scary thing is: What if they're dumping Trump because he's not horrible enough?

Remember that vile, filthy waste of a woman who lamented "He (Trump) ain't hurtin' the people he's posed to be hurtin'!" - ?

They're out there...

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 11:28 AM

29. republicans will just back their 2020 jillsteinish persons carefully crafted to drain mostly D votes

Republican will money back a woman and a man because they know how close elections can be in small districts and how easy it is to 'game' elections.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 02:52 PM

31. How is it possible to hate Biden?

I mean, I get people who feel indifferent toward him, who can't get all excited about him. I get that. I'm one of them. But how does one actively hate the guy?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 07:01 PM

32. Haters don't like the idea of other people being able to vote

If they don't get their way, they will attack those who they thought were their allies instead of those they know are their enemies. Fortunately, if the 20% is correct, they are outnumbered 4:1.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 09:10 PM

33. no misogyny this time

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nope

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