Tue May 12, 2020, 06:11 AM
brooklynite (68,540 posts)
Trump is getting trounced among a crucial constituency: The haters
Source: Politico
President Donald Trump is losing a critical constituency: voters who see two choices on the ballot — and hate them both. Unlike in 2016, when a large group of voters who disliked both Trump and Hillary Clinton broke sharply for Trump, the opposite is happening now, according to public polling and private surveys conducted by Republicans and Democrats alike. It's a significant and often underappreciated group of voters. Of the nearly 20 percent of voters who disliked both Clinton and Trump in 2016, Trump outperformed Clinton by about 17 percentage points, according to exit polls. Four years later, that same group — including a mix of Bernie Sanders supporters, other Democrats, disaffected Republicans and independents — strongly prefers Biden, the polling shows. The former vice president leads Trump by more than 40 percentage points among that group, which accounts for nearly a quarter of registered voters, according to a Monmouth University poll last week. Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/12/donald-trump-haters-joe-biden-clinton-244629
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brooklynite | May 2020 | OP |
UCmeNdc | May 2020 | #1 | |
lastlib | May 2020 | #17 | |
roamer65 | May 2020 | #25 | |
Eyeball_Kid | May 2020 | #26 | |
oldsoftie | May 2020 | #2 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2020 | #30 | |
still_one | May 2020 | #3 | |
brooklynite | May 2020 | #4 | |
onlyadream | May 2020 | #15 | |
still_one | May 2020 | #19 | |
Lucky Luciano | May 2020 | #12 | |
still_one | May 2020 | #13 | |
lonely bird | May 2020 | #18 | |
still_one | May 2020 | #20 | |
Lock him up. | May 2020 | #22 | |
Southerntier | May 2020 | #27 | |
Bernardo de La Paz | May 2020 | #28 | |
bucolic_frolic | May 2020 | #5 | |
Mike 03 | May 2020 | #6 | |
IronLionZion | May 2020 | #7 | |
Lock him up. | May 2020 | #14 | |
IronLionZion | May 2020 | #21 | |
Lock him up. | May 2020 | #24 | |
McCamy Taylor | May 2020 | #8 | |
no_hypocrisy | May 2020 | #9 | |
DeminPennswoods | May 2020 | #10 | |
melm00se | May 2020 | #11 | |
Post removed | May 2020 | #16 | |
Aristus | May 2020 | #23 | |
Sunlei | May 2020 | #29 | |
lanlady | May 2020 | #31 | |
Progressive dog | May 2020 | #32 | |
Skittles | May 2020 | #33 |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Tue May 12, 2020, 06:15 AM
UCmeNdc (8,186 posts)
1. The United States will not survive another four years of Trump. Trump is incompetent! VOTE BIDEN!
Vote Biden 2020!
Vote the GOP out of both the house and senate! Vote!!!! |
Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #1)
Tue May 12, 2020, 08:24 AM
lastlib (17,234 posts)
17. And BRING YOUR FRIENDS!!
eom
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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #1)
Tue May 12, 2020, 08:57 AM
Eyeball_Kid (5,790 posts)
26. Based upon what we know about Trumpy-boy, calling him incompetent is nearly a compliment. n/t
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Tue May 12, 2020, 06:16 AM
oldsoftie (5,571 posts)
2. People ignored that factor in '16 & we got trump because of it.
Hell, you could even get in trouble here for bringing it up back then
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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #2)
Tue May 12, 2020, 12:13 PM
lagomorph777 (20,645 posts)
30. So... we need to appeal to the haters?
Let's appeal to common sense and survival. The haters will have to make their own choices.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Tue May 12, 2020, 06:36 AM
still_one (76,755 posts)
3. According to exit polls. HILLARY WON THE POPULAR VOTE BY ABOUT 3 MILLION
Response to still_one (Reply #3)
Tue May 12, 2020, 06:43 AM
brooklynite (68,540 posts)
4. Yes, but not the point...
There were people in 2016 who didn't "like" either candidate. The same will apply today.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)
Tue May 12, 2020, 08:14 AM
onlyadream (2,023 posts)
15. Right, the OP is saying
that THAT particular group (who hated both candidates) went for Trump. Now that group is going for Biden. Good news!
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Response to onlyadream (Reply #15)
Tue May 12, 2020, 08:29 AM
still_one (76,755 posts)
19. I agree, good news, but the use of the term "hate", in the Politico article, I consider hyperbole
Response to still_one (Reply #3)
Tue May 12, 2020, 08:01 AM
Lucky Luciano (10,079 posts)
12. Let me know when the popular vote determines the winner.
Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #12)
Tue May 12, 2020, 08:12 AM
still_one (76,755 posts)
13. That isn't what the OP was about
Response to still_one (Reply #13)
Tue May 12, 2020, 08:24 AM
lonely bird (624 posts)
18. I get that.
Here is the problem:
If those people who have shifted are not consolidated in the states where we need them to be then it won’t matter. Trump could lose the popular vote even worse but if those haters who now seem to support Biden aren’t where they will make a difference in the electoral college then Trump would still win. It is great that the group of people that hated Hillary so much and contributed to us having Trump in the first place now have seen the fruits of their stupidity. |
Response to lonely bird (Reply #18)
Tue May 12, 2020, 08:31 AM
still_one (76,755 posts)
20. For that point it will be the usual 5 swing states that determine the winner
Response to lonely bird (Reply #18)
Tue May 12, 2020, 08:37 AM
Lock him up. (2,391 posts)
22. For now, the electoral map looks good enough.
This is the DU member formerly known as Lock him up..
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Response to Lock him up. (Reply #22)
Tue May 12, 2020, 09:10 AM
Southerntier (8 posts)
27. Seems legit
First post
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Response to still_one (Reply #3)
Tue May 12, 2020, 09:55 AM
Bernardo de La Paz (37,152 posts)
28. Wrong. Not exit polls. She won by VOTES COUNTED. tRump stole the Electoral College. nt
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Tue May 12, 2020, 06:59 AM
bucolic_frolic (23,092 posts)
5. Biden is the real deal
A career politician with generally moderate to liberal reasoned positions who has not really alienated large groups of voters. I've not followed his career but being in the Philly media market all I can remember is Biden was always there, his press releases made sense, he stirred not a whole lot of controvery other than Supreme Court nominee hearings. He made government work, and he worked at that job. Perhaps being from a small state he didn't have to campaign outlandisly and move large groups of people. He wasn't crusading for radical ideas of large donors. Biden makes people feel comfortable.
Trump's taken two prominent swings at him to try to tarnish his character. Trump's motives are known, transparent, and you know there will be more. But the more Trump tries, the more Biden becomes inoculated. So I'm thinking these are the reasons voters are breaking against Trump, not to mention Trump's corruption and incompetence. |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Tue May 12, 2020, 07:15 AM
Mike 03 (16,382 posts)
6. They recognize that Biden will never embarrass himself or humiliate our country.
Also, how many of them know somebody who has contracted the coronavirus while Trump stands up in front of this country day after day not giving a shit.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Tue May 12, 2020, 07:26 AM
IronLionZion (32,323 posts)
7. A crisis can remind people of what is important
and maybe shaking things up with a reality tv show personality isn't working out
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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #7)
Tue May 12, 2020, 08:13 AM
Lock him up. (2,391 posts)
14. They must remember him claiming "I alone can fix it."
And they clearly see it was utter bullcrap now.
Soon over 100K unnecessary deaths the Obama/Biden pandemic-response team would have prevented. 33m unemployed now and a deficit their grandchildren won't see the end of, and soon a famine depression like nobody have ever seen before. "I, alone, can fix it." RRRRRRRight... ![]() This is the DU member formerly known as Lock him up..
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Response to Lock him up. (Reply #14)
Tue May 12, 2020, 08:33 AM
IronLionZion (32,323 posts)
21. Great username!
and I agree with your points
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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #21)
Tue May 12, 2020, 08:42 AM
Lock him up. (2,391 posts)
24. Thank you! :) THIS Time the felons MUST be held accountable for
ALL their crimes (with clear evidence) or...
they will be back later and even worse ![]() Restore The Rule Of Law!! This is the DU member formerly known as Lock him up..
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Tue May 12, 2020, 07:29 AM
McCamy Taylor (19,237 posts)
8. Go Joe!
Can I get this on a bumpersticker?
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Tue May 12, 2020, 07:53 AM
no_hypocrisy (37,844 posts)
9. Trump losing the misanthrope vote.
Love the irony.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Tue May 12, 2020, 07:55 AM
DeminPennswoods (11,731 posts)
10. Forget who it was, maybe Fuglesang,
but he was on MSNBC talking about focus groups with these voters. They want change, don't see change and keep voting for candidates they think will bring change regardless of party. Thus the Obama-Trump voter that we read and hear so much about.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Tue May 12, 2020, 07:59 AM
melm00se (4,150 posts)
11. My brother
fits into that category.
He hated both Trump and Clinton. He marked his ballot as a write in with the comment "None of the above - please go back and try again". He is unsure how he is going to vote this year - either vote for Biden or so what he did in 2016. |
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Tue May 12, 2020, 08:38 AM
Aristus (54,325 posts)
23. The scary thing is: What if they're dumping Trump because he's not horrible enough?
Remember that vile, filthy waste of a woman who lamented "He (Trump) ain't hurtin' the people he's posed to be hurtin'!" - ?
They're out there... |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Tue May 12, 2020, 11:28 AM
Sunlei (22,647 posts)
29. republicans will just back their 2020 jillsteinish persons carefully crafted to drain mostly D votes
Republican will money back a woman and a man because they know how close elections can be in small districts and how easy it is to 'game' elections.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Tue May 12, 2020, 02:52 PM
lanlady (7,012 posts)
31. How is it possible to hate Biden?
I mean, I get people who feel indifferent toward him, who can't get all excited about him. I get that. I'm one of them. But how does one actively hate the guy?
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Tue May 12, 2020, 07:01 PM
Progressive dog (6,210 posts)
32. Haters don't like the idea of other people being able to vote
If they don't get their way, they will attack those who they thought were their allies instead of those they know are their enemies. Fortunately, if the 20% is correct, they are outnumbered 4:1.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Tue May 12, 2020, 09:10 PM
Skittles (133,627 posts)
33. no misogyny this time
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