American Travelers Are About to Be Pariahs in This New World
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Source: Daily Beast
One thing is sure: Gone are the days of the American abroad, at least for those hoping to summer in Europe this year. The new models on how to reopen European travel do not have room for the American tourist for the foreseeable future.
Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/with-coronavirus-american-travelers-are-about-to-find-out-what-its-like-to-be-the-pariah?ref=scroll
Trump has managed to turn the United States into one of the sh*thole countries he so crassly called African Countries. Americans can't even visit Europe now because of his imbecile incompetence in managing the corona virus. Worst. President. EVER!
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)"We have heard of the "Ugly American", that citizen that travels abroad and disrespects the people and culture of other countries, exhibiting arrogance and superiority toward his guests.
But, those folks were not the rule. They were the exception.
However, nowadays, the world sees America thru the people we elect to lead us. It is as if America went into the dog pound and picked out the ugliest, most vicious dog they could find for a pet. They could see what they were getting but they chose him anyway.
We are no longer viewed as the occasional ignorant American, we are viewed as an ignorant nation."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029609212
What goes around comes around and around and around...
iluvtennis
(19,881 posts)abqtommy
(14,118 posts)my best to provide a positive perspective on Americans, on a one-to-one basis. I can truthfully
say that I was mostly successful. We all have to do what we can...
LakeArenal
(28,858 posts)Luckiest and best move ever.
7 dead. 285 active cases. None by us.
Lucky right?
enid602
(8,659 posts)One of my favorite countries to visit is Ecuador. Guayaquil has only 250 Covid 19 deaths. But the Government has recently explained that that is no doubt due to the fact that they can't get a hold of tests right now. Deaths is Guayaquil are actually up over 30,000 from last year. Bodies in the streets. Impromptu crematoria popping up on sidewalks.
LakeArenal
(28,858 posts)We are quarantined until June 14. Possibly to July 12.
Cases up to 600+, now 285. Cluster at the largest city outward. Not in our Province. Only 3 cases in our Province. All recovered.
No hoarding. No meat shortages. Business mostly open. Wash hands at every stop. Bank makes you step into sanitizer.
One at a time in bank. Line outside 6 ft apart. No one protesting. Losing many businesses that may never reopen.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,026 posts)Last edited Tue May 12, 2020, 02:22 PM - Edit history (1)
people there. One said: "American tourists are the WORST. Well, after the German tourists of course"
I can only imagine how unwelcome we'd be these days.
kimbutgar
(21,220 posts)Yelled at while there saying she is American.
ChiTownDenny
(747 posts)Especially if you travel to middle east countries.
Lonestarblue
(10,106 posts)We have so many cases, and still rising, that most countries dont want us. As a retiree, I looked forward to my annual travels to Europe. I see none in the foreseeable future.
But that loss for me is nothing compared with the thousands who are dying here from this nasty disease, and I cannot stop wondering how many might have been saved if we had a competent leader who took the danger seriously instead of trying for weeks to dismiss it as a hoax. President Obama would have made a huge difference in our response to the virus.
Roc2020
(1,616 posts)the near future. even if we are allowed back in I'm not sure I want to go now. Just the thought of how the Europeans are going to look at us as some ignorant backward hillbillies gives me the crawls.
Lonestarblue
(10,106 posts)Europeans simply cannot understand how we could have elected Trump. Theyre just mystified that such a despicable person could have been selected as our president. For that matter, so am I.
But I have found the Europeans Ive encountered in my travels to be unfailingly delightful. I would not worry so much about the reception I would receive as I would about the virus. I think it will be haunting all of us for a long time.
Roc2020
(1,616 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,851 posts)they know well who "elected" Trump. The Russian people are all laughing their asses off at how easily Putin played Trump and the RepubliCONs, and how easy it is to continue to play them...........
The Russian people also are all talking at how simple it was for Putin to engineer the entire Destruction of our nation and Democracy without becoming personally involved and without firing a single missile or rocket.....
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)I've been to Europe at least 3 dozen times. The people have always been delightful. Of course I've been quick to say "I didn't vote for Nixon/Bush/Reagan/Trump etc when they were in office. Then they pity us.
I've never understood where the "Americans are mistreated" meme comes from.
appalachiablue
(41,182 posts)Europeans are going to look at us as some ignorant backward hillbillies gives me the crawls.
kimbutgar
(21,220 posts)We were asked where we were from we said San Francisco then they asked us about mf45 and when we told them we were ashamed and disliked him they warmed up to us immediately. We went to Europe in 2016-2019 and each year saw the gradual dislike of mf45 and Americans.
RussBLib
(9,044 posts)because we're not flying overseas for a long time.
a la izquierda
(11,797 posts)Im starting a law program in London in October. People will travel to see loved ones, etc, even if not for tourism.
CrispyQ
(36,539 posts)The graphic that accompanies the article is excellent!
Roc2020
(1,616 posts)the U.S is viewed in the world today. Has Trump destroyed America?? I don't think that question is farfetched.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)I shall not be drawn to click.
IronLionZion
(45,559 posts)and now add diseased to the list.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)IronLionZion
(45,559 posts)I've observed negative perceptions of Americans in India mostly. But also in China, UK, and some other European countries. It's a running joke that Americans are fatter than other peoples. Many comedians and tv/movies have done that.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)want to become us.
IronLionZion
(45,559 posts)DFW
(54,447 posts)My wife and I usually take a month in New England over in the USA every summer. They have to let me back in because I'm a US citizen, but she is a German citizen, and while the current DHS/CBP rules on their website say we can travel to the USA with immediate family members, does that mean it's still OK if said family members are not US citizens?
I guess the only way to find out is to get on a plane, and hope they don't tell us to turn around and go back where we came from.
DHS= Department of Hopeless Situations
IronLionZion
(45,559 posts)She might need a visa. But then governments cancel visas at last minute too. My sister had a tourist visa to travel to India until they decided they didn't want US citizens infecting them with disease and canceled her visa.
DFW
(54,447 posts)IF you can get through to a US consulate, sure, they might be able to answer that. Unfortunately you can't get through. write and they will tell you they aren't answering any inquiries other than emergencies. Call, and you get a recording saying the same thing. You can try to make an appointment online, but then they may or may not give you one, and then you ave to travel to the embassy in Berlin or one of the major consulates (Frankfurt or München). I've met Trump's consul general here in Düsseldorf. She's a political appointee, and a scarecrow in a Nebraska corn field has a higher IQ.
a la izquierda
(11,797 posts)And I absolutely cannot wait.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)I've been trying to move to Europe. Hope this doesn't mess up my chances of getting residency somewhere
At least the stay-at-home orders have given me extra time to work on my German
DFW
(54,447 posts)You can luck out or strike out. The first time I tried, I got stuck with a couple of women who had no clue how to deal with an American. They were used to saying no to Russian economic "refugees" who show up here wanting to go on welfare without looking for a job or even learning German (Americans aren't the only ones who are convinced that everything in Germany is free). An American, not looking for a job or a handout was more than they could handle. Luckily, their task was transferred to a more competent bureau, who got me my residence permit within two months. Some Germans still think I'm nuts. Once, when I was coming in from Atlanta, the German border policewoman stared at my residency permit and asked why in the world I would want THAT? She said that if she could move in the opposite direction, she would do it in a heartbeat. She must know someone with a 3000 square foot apartment in San Francisco overlooking the bay or something.
Keep in mind--I got my residence permit that quickly because I offered them EVERYTHING they wanted to hear: married to a German citizen for decades, had a steady job for decades, had my own US health insurance, had no outstanding debts, spoke fluent German, was willing to pay the high (around 50%) taxes and get nothing in return--no health insurance, no pension, no NOTHING. I also could show them a Dallas bank account that convinced them I would not be asking them for welfare any time in the next ten years if I lost my job. My wife does have a pension, but the 850 a month she gets from the German government REALLY doesn't go far. A retired girlfriend of hers is on a much more generous disability pension, and she has to watch every cent so as not to be eating stale bread for the last five days of every month.
I did ask about a German health insurance, but I was quoted 30,000 a year--a little beyond what I could justify after being relieved of 50% of my earnings first. Not only that, but the German government wants to tax part of my income that is already taxed in the USA at 39.6%. After the USA takes 39.6% and the Germans their 50%, that would leave me with about 10%. The German accountants have been battling the German government over that for the last 8 years, but the German bureaucrats (avoid them like the plague if you can!) don't want to admit they are clueless--or, worse, wrong. There IS a double-taxation treaty, but they understand it less than I do.
A certain group of people seems to delight in perpetuating the myth that everything is free here in Germany. Nothing could be further from the truth, and the relatively high cost of living here hits lower-income people pretty hard. The number of panhandlers at German train stations can be shocking at times. "Spare any change?" is not limited to North America.
If you want to emigrate here, it CAN be done, but make sure you know what you're in for, and what to expect. Fluency in German and a waiting job with a German employer that is not time-limited would be a good start when you apply. "Ein Bier, bitte" won't cut it with them. When you can use "Streichholzschächtelchen" in a sentence without stuttering, THEN you come apply, not before.
An Italian once drew up a cartoon entitled "perché io non imparo mai il tedesco (why I'll never learn German)." It showed a face with a runny nose, five times the same face, vertically. Four times it said, after the words Italiano, Inglese, Francese and Spagnuolo, "sinusitis." After the last face, it said "tedesco (German)" and the same word in German: Nasennebenhöllenentzündung."
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)cilla4progress
(24,782 posts)were planning a trip to the Balkans this fall. Because of drumpf, the upcoming election, and the unsettled feelings we were having, my husband and I already weighed in on postponing, traveling stateside this year. This was well BEFORE COVID-19 hit.
Who knows when we will go abroad now? Husband just started his retirement in March.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)I've never gotten the sense that people associate individuals with their country's government. I certainly don't with visitors to the US. The vast majority of mature people are not so rude as to mention politics with a visitor.
Having said that, I would probably put off any trip involving mass transit (e.g. air travel) in the fall, strictly because of the virus (unless things change dramatically). I really don't want to catch it.
Edit for typo.
brooklynite
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Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)It doesn't belong in late breaking news, but it doesn't bother me.
SunSeeker
(51,744 posts)homegirl
(1,434 posts)to "Yankee Go Home" when I lived in Western Europe was "But leave your money!"
I had the great pleasure of thanking a very loud mouthed French man that his declaration that France did not need America or Americans was -- a grateful thank you, we would not be sacrificing our young men and women in future European wars. Lots of silence at that dinner table was the loud reply.
Roc2020
(1,616 posts)in western europe there is no way the U.S could stay out
mainer
(12,031 posts)Doesn't say if she's American, but she'd arrived from the US, refused to be tested, and got thrown in jail.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12331137
ffr
(22,674 posts)And we did it with republican leadership in only 3 years.
riverbendviewgal
(4,254 posts)I live in Ontario, my Premier Rob Ford is adamant that the border remains closed until covid-19 in the USA has a cure and a vaccine. My Prime Minister Trudeau also feels this way.
My friends and family hate the lock down and social isolation. We wear masks when we have to go out, we social distance. Anyone who does not we speak up and report them.
We value all our lives. We all have health care. Our governments, Federal and Provincial, provide financial assistance if we need it.
We don't want Americans coming up and wiping out all our hard efforts to keep covid-19 in control with their covid-19 germs. We don't believe it is a hoax. We believe it can kill you.
You can listen to our Canadian musicians , The Guess Who song - American Woman.
And as we say in Canada - Sorry.
appalachiablue
(41,182 posts)Where's my pearls!!?
LiberalFighter
(51,160 posts)in their language saying Trump Sucks or something like that?
Omaha Steve
(99,772 posts)Analysis/opinion
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