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Sun May 17, 2020, 02:02 PM

So far, no spike in coronavirus in places reopening, U.S. health secretary says

Source: Reuters

U.S. authorities are not yet seeing spikes in coronavirus cases in places that are reopening but it was still too early to determine such trends, health secretary Alex Azar said on Sunday.

“We are seeing that in places that are opening, we’re not seeing this spike in cases,” Azar said on CNN’s “State of the Union” program. “We still see spikes in some areas that are, in fact, closed.”

However, Azar said identifying and reporting new cases takes time. A critical part of reopening will be surveillance of flu-like symptoms in the population and other hospital admissions data, as well as testing of asymptomatic individuals, he said.

“It’s still early days,” Azar cautioned in an interview with CBS’ “Face the Nation.” He said data will take some time to come in from states that reopened early such as Georgia and Florida.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-idUSKBN22T0HN

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Reply So far, no spike in coronavirus in places reopening, U.S. health secretary says (Original post)
Calista241 May 2020 OP
leftieNanner May 2020 #1
LisaL May 2020 #4
DallasNE May 2020 #23
catrose May 2020 #9
cannabis_flower May 2020 #11
LisaL May 2020 #13
cannabis_flower May 2020 #19
ProfessorGAC May 2020 #44
Igel May 2020 #24
LisaL May 2020 #27
LeftInTX May 2020 #46
leftieNanner May 2020 #47
yellowdogintexas May 2020 #52
ashredux May 2020 #2
Thekaspervote May 2020 #28
spike jones May 2020 #39
machoneman May 2020 #3
Phoenix61 May 2020 #5
LisaL May 2020 #8
Phoenix61 May 2020 #10
LisaL May 2020 #12
Iliyah May 2020 #6
shockey80 May 2020 #16
0rganism May 2020 #40
CountAllVotes May 2020 #21
SunSeeker May 2020 #7
Igel May 2020 #29
turbinetree May 2020 #14
Chicago1980 May 2020 #15
Delphinus May 2020 #17
Runningdawg May 2020 #18
CountAllVotes May 2020 #20
Midnight Writer May 2020 #22
Ford_Prefect May 2020 #25
stillcool May 2020 #45
Hugin May 2020 #26
FloridaBlues May 2020 #30
SunSeeker May 2020 #32
Talitha May 2020 #38
not_the_one May 2020 #31
Penn Voter May 2020 #33
RAB910 May 2020 #34
47of74 May 2020 #35
yonder May 2020 #36
musette_sf May 2020 #37
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NotHardly May 2020 #42
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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:03 PM

1. Didn't I just see an article about Texas cases spiking?

Or maybe they don't count those.

Sheesh.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #1)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:08 PM

4. Yep, Texas cases are going up.

"Texas has seen a steady rise in novel coronavirus cases and fatalities since reopening just over two weeks ago."
https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-cases-covid-19-increasing-thousands-reopening/story?id=70720497

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Response to LisaL (Reply #4)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:36 PM

23. Depends On The Meaning Of Spiking

Something about the reporting results in an ebb and flow so you need a couple of weeks data to see anything. In Georgia, for instance, the last bottom was higher than the previous bottom. The next bottom should be 4-5 days away. You can't tell anything from a single data point and the increase was less that what you would term a "spike" anyway. Plus, it takes about a month for an actual spike to take place. But spikes aren't statewide events anyway. Take Texas. What you want to look at is a place like Galveston and South Padre, where the popular beaches are. What we are seeing today is from around Amarillo and that is meatpacking related. Just premature to measure spikes.

And speaking of both meatpacking and nursing homes, why are they just now getting regulations out. Those were known problem areas and waiting for them to explode and then addressing the issue never made any sense. That was a colossal failure of leadership at the federal level in not getting those regulations out so the disruptions could have been at least lessened.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #1)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:11 PM

9. Yep. 1000 cases each day.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #1)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:12 PM

11. It's hard to say

Is it because there are more sick people showing up or because there is more testing? I have also heard that Texas have ramped up testing.


The state, one of the first to start reopening, reported an increase of 1,801 positive coronavirus cases on Saturday.

But it's not clear whether the surge is simply due to more testing, or if the virus is spreading more rampantly.



https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/05/17/report-texas-sees-highest-single-day-increase-in-covid-19-cases-on-saturday/

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Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #11)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:13 PM

13. Well, more deaths really can't be attributed to more testing, can they?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #13)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:22 PM

19. Well, that would be the measure

I was unable to find the exact numbers per day of deaths. Although I did see after you said something that 58 people in Texas had died on Thursday and that was the highest number since the pandemic started. I hadn't been watching closely the last few weeks. Just staying home as much as possible to not be one of them. Being here in what may become the epicenter now that we have reopened, I've sort of stopped watching the news as much because it's so depressing..


https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/texas-reports-record-coronavirus-deaths-cases-day-15270877.php

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Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #19)

Sun May 17, 2020, 05:03 PM

44. That's The Deal In Illinois

Cases are going up fast. But, testing has gone from 2k, 4k, 8k, then 12 then 24k.
So in about 6 weeks, testing per day has quadrupled.
But, the deaths per 14 day rolling average is flat and positivity rate is falling. (Amazing what isolation, distancing, & masks will do, hub?)
If you were to just look at cases, you'd think it's worse than ever. But, officials here have done a good job avoiding disaster.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #13)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:36 PM

24. It's hard to attribute the uptick to what happened on 5/1.

Takes a while for the infections to show symptoms, become hospitalized, and then result in death.

It's like the report after a Detroit protest on Wednesday. On Saturday the cases spiked. Except that it wouldn't have been until Saturday that there was any chance of a test coming back positive, it took 24-48 hours for the tests to run, and there'd be no reason to get tested because the average time to first symptoms is 5 days. Get infected Wednesday, maybe show symptoms Monday, get tested on Tuesday, get test results on Thursday ... Not the previous Saturday.

Most of the uptick are restricted to a few counties, and those are connected to specific events or places.

Hospitalizations should be ticking up by now, though, but I don't know where to get day-by-day hospitalization data by county for Texas.

Increased positive tests (that's what the word "case" means here, not "sick person" lag the test date by 1-2 days; test dates lag symptom onset by a couple of days; first symptoms lag date of infection by 3-6 days (for the most part--not earlier, sometimes later). Make a graph (which looks like a number line, to be honest) and it's easier.

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Response to Igel (Reply #24)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:45 PM

27. Average incubation period is 2-5 days.

Even if test lags symptoms, symptoms can still appear and result in hospitalization and then a demise.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #1)

Sun May 17, 2020, 05:30 PM

46. The higher numbers are due to the Tyson plant in Amarillo

They had 600 plus cases yesterday.

However, if you look at the state as a whole, it is different. For instance, where I live the number of daily cases are going down and testing is going up, so I think it is safe to say it is not spiking in Bexar County, with a population of 2.5 million at the moment. I don't know what is going on in other large counties, such as Dallas, Tarrant, Travis though. I know that they are counting cases in a Frio County ICE detention center in the state totals.

There is a federal prison up in Ft. Worth and I don't know how they are counting cases up there..Are they part of the state totals???...Hubby knew a federal inmate who died up in Ft. Worth from CV-19. (Guy was a POS coach who was up there for child porn)

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #46)

Sun May 17, 2020, 05:32 PM

47. Great info. Thanks. nt

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #46)

Mon May 18, 2020, 10:30 AM

52. Two prisons in FW Our numbers are going up

Yes those numbers are part of state totals

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:04 PM

2. That is just plain flat out a lie

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Response to ashredux (Reply #2)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:52 PM

28. Exactly! Several dozen related to the protests in Michigan. GA has had several new cases

TX, Wi all with lots of new cases

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Response to ashredux (Reply #2)

Sun May 17, 2020, 04:10 PM

39. They think like this. The fewer test that are done the fewer cases will be found,

therefore, fewer tests are needed, resulting in even fewer cases found, so tests are no longer needed, and no more cases found, and then one day, “like magic,” it’s gone.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:06 PM

3. It's Azar, of course it's a bigly, massive, unprecendented and Trumpian LIE!

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:09 PM

5. Won't see a spike from Florida

That’s part of the plan. No testing, no spike.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #5)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:09 PM

8. Not tests-no cases. Trump actually said that.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #8)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:11 PM

10. And DeStupid's following orders, just like always. nt

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #10)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:12 PM

12. I guess people just going to be dropping dead for no reason whatsoever.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:09 PM

6. Liar . . .

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #6)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:19 PM

16. Fucking liar.

 

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #16)

Sun May 17, 2020, 04:11 PM

40. dangerous fucking liar

spouting dangerous fucking lies, of course

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #6)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:26 PM

21. +1

n/t !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #7)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:53 PM

29. It spiked from 19 on Tuesday to 36 on Wednesday.

Billed a "significant increase."

On Thursday the case count wasn't meaningful. It had sharply increased to 36 on Wednesday and was back to 19 on Thursday. The difference was "significant" when it was a 17% increase, and ignorable with it was almost a 50% decrease.

That's how the news game is played.

Look for more than a one-day spike, esp. when there's a spike like that every 5-6 days. Perhaps groups come in for testing, perhaps test result get returned in lumps.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:15 PM

14. How about Iowa or South Dakota, Georgia, oh yeah this is the same "guy' that said

something about a vaccine .....................

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213449087

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #14)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:17 PM

15. Iowa and South never really closed.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:20 PM

17. Well, hey,

those of us concerned were all wet - let's party!

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:21 PM

18. A medium sized town just N of Tulsa - Bartlesville

jumped the gun and opened early last week. Last Monday they reported their first case of a worker with the virus in a nail salon. Yesterday they reported another case, in another salon. Neither have closed. The women that were there this week, went shopping afterwards, to the bars and casinos last night, church this morning and to the buffet afterwards. Give it a week.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:26 PM

20. Oh bullshit

We had next to zero cases where I am located, now 20 in the past week!

Liars!



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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:34 PM

22. They won't be able to collate the numbers until after Election Day.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:42 PM

25. One more proof that Republicans cannot do nor understand math.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #25)

Sun May 17, 2020, 05:03 PM

45. they understand it very well...

that's how they acquire wealth out of thin air, and bury a bunch in off-shore accounts.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:43 PM

26. This is the most irresponsible journalism I've ever seen.

Shame on Reuters. Shame!

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:54 PM

30. Either he's lying or not enough testing being done.

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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #30)

Sun May 17, 2020, 03:02 PM

32. Both. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #32)

Sun May 17, 2020, 03:51 PM

38. Yep, that's what I'm also thinking.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 02:56 PM

31. Preemptive bullshit.

 

Get the spin out there and let it stew, then when the actual numbers come out, they're "fake news". Sort of like Barr's Mueller report spin.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 03:26 PM

33. Yes, and that statistic

comes directly from the Bureau of Trump's Ass!

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 03:31 PM

34. It will take 2 weeks or so for cases to rise

and about 3 weeks for deaths to go up

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 03:36 PM

35. If you believe anything Azar or another other Trump official says I got the following for sale...

 







Also this



And this



I can do cash or paypal

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 03:39 PM

36. We shall see. Hope I'm wrong but give it two weeks.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 03:41 PM

37. "in places that are opening, we're not seeing this spike in cases"

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 04:27 PM

41. TX has jumped over FL in # of cases effective today.

TX was #10 on the list yesterday, 8 today. Wonder why he intentionally left them off?

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 04:35 PM

42. 2 to 4 weeks are needed to see or measure increase or decrease. Slow rolling disasters & then spike

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 04:51 PM

43. Lol

It's opposite world now.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 06:50 PM

48. Get a whisk or a swizzle stick, give it a week. Then report back then.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 06:54 PM

49. It takes almost up to 14 days to see its impact- sometimes more

How many times do we have to tell you Azar? What you are seeing now reflects what it was 14 days ago-sometimes 20...

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 08:36 PM

50. But isn't that a . . . lie?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/05/17/new-cases-spike-in-reopened-states-though-some-say-its-due-to-increased-testing/#1ecbfa6d6bc9

Coronavirus cases have more than doubled in Alabama’s Montgomery County since May 1, as the governor continues to walk back restrictions, allowing many businesses including bars and taverns to reopen with some social distance.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:21 PM

51. Translation: Our request for data suppression is working?

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